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Printablemidnightmover said: ScarletScandal said: Wow. That is so not true. It just helps to realize that more than 10%  of the population is gay.Pay attention. vainandy said he's not sure gays are really a minority and that 99% of thugs are chasing dick on the downlow. It's these overestimations that I'm arguing about. Please try and keep up. Who said they are chasing dick? I never said they were chasing dick. They don't want a dick, they want a pussy. However, they will let another man suck their dick and they will fuck another man in the ass. An orgasm is an orgasm no matter who gives it to you, it still feels the same. If you ask any of them, they will tell you they are straight. They will even tell the gay man sucking their dick that they are straight but they just like to get their dick sucked. They will even fight someone for accusing them of being gay or bisexual. Most of them actually believe they are straight because they like women and prefer pussy. And yes, they do prefer a woman over a man. If a woman isn't available, then they will go to a drag queen because it's the closest looking thing to a woman. Also, if they ever get caught, they always have the excuse that "they didn't know it was a man". They will go to a gay man as a last resort. And they do hate gay men, so just because someone appears to "hate fags", don't be fooled. They aren't lying about that, they really do hate gay people, because in their mind, they think they are straight. But as I said before, a 100% straight man will not let another man even touch their dick, let alone suck it. I believe in calling a spade a spade and I be damn if I will let these motherfuckers engage in gay sex and experience the pleasure of it without feeling and the pain and discrimination that the rest of us feel. I'll bust a motherfucker out in a minute and enjoy doing it. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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midnightmover said: ScarletScandal said: Oh, I most definitely know what he's talking about. We're not the minority we're made out to be. Go to the M4M section of craigslist, there's more married and "straight" men than gay men on there. [Edited 1/14/09 9:04am] You just unwittingly proved my point. You are talking about a place where gay men congregate. If you live a large section of your life in these places then you can start to lose perspective. That's the point. No one's denying there are significant numbers of gay men leading double lives, but it's a mistake to think that they are not a minority group. If they weren't a minority then they wouldn't have the problems they have, since society wouldn't be able to maintain the heterosexual illusion if most citizens weren't in fact heterosexual.  Dude, I'm not saying we're not a minority, I'm saying that there are WAY more of us than people think there are. | |
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midnightmover said: ScarletScandal said: Oh, I most definitely know what he's talking about. We're not the minority we're made out to be. Go to the M4M section of craigslist, there's more married and "straight" men than gay men on there. [Edited 1/14/09 9:04am] You just unwittingly proved my point. You are talking about a place where gay men congregate. If you live a large section of your life in these places then you can start to lose perspective. That's the point. No one's denying there are significant numbers of gay men leading double lives, but it's a mistake to think that they are not a minority group. If they weren't a minority then they wouldn't have the problems they have, since society wouldn't be able to maintain the heterosexual illusion if most citizens weren't in fact heterosexual. I'm not talking about gay settings only. It goes on everywhere. A lot of men on the street have never participated in gay or bisexual sex but will participate in it if the conditions are right and they think that no one will ever find out. There are several web sites on the internet that prove my point. These aren't thugs but they will show you that damn near every type of man will participate if they think no one will ever find out. There is a site called The Bait Bus where a gay man uses a straight woman as bait to pick up any old guy off the street and lure them into gay sex with him if the guys are offered pussy or money afterwards. There is another site called Major Hardon where a gay guy picks up average marines and offers them beer and money if they will suck and jack each other off. There is another one called Workin' Men where a gay guy approaches average rednecks and offers them money if they will have sex with each other. Now, all these sites will refer to these men as "straight men" but a straight man loses the right to be called "straight" once he's engaged in gay sex. He then becomes a bisexual. And none of these sites are in gay settings. All these men are average men that have been picked up off the street at random. Now, if that doesn't make you wonder just who will fool around, nothing will. . . . [Edited 1/14/09 9:40am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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ScarletScandal said: midnightmover said: You just unwittingly proved my point. You are talking about a place where gay men congregate. If you live a large section of your life in these places then you can start to lose perspective. That's the point. No one's denying there are significant numbers of gay men leading double lives, but it's a mistake to think that they are not a minority group. If they weren't a minority then they wouldn't have the problems they have, since society wouldn't be able to maintain the heterosexual illusion if most citizens weren't in fact heterosexual. Dude, I'm not saying we're not a minority, I'm saying that there are WAY more of us than people think there are.Well, vainandy was saying he's not sure you are a minority which was what I was arguing with him about in the first place. If you don't understand the argument, stay out of it. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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SCNDLS said: vainandy said: Oh Lord, don't get me started on those damn thugs. They love to fuck those damn drag queens. I mean, who do people think are sleeping with drag queens? It certainly isn't gay men. Hell, we want a man and we aren't sick enough in the head to sleep with a sideshow freak that looks like a woman but has a dick. It's these thugs that are fucking them. That's why some of the queens dress in drag because those thugs will go after a drag queen a lot quicker than they will go after a normal gay man. Those thugs fuck those dragons and then they have the nerve to call us normal gay men "fags" as if they were straight. It takes me to get their ass straight because I will tell them in a minute that I'd rather be a fag than a sick pervert that wants an inbetween gender. . . . [Edited 1/14/09 8:18am] Okay, I gotta cosign this right here. I go to drag shows all the time and a really good friend of mine is a performer. This past Sunday I went to a show in a local hole in the wall joint and it was all the "thug boys" (as we call 'em here) all up in the performers faces tipping them looking like they were in love. In the pic above with his stomach showing, Neyo looks like MOST of the dudes that were in the club on Sunday so I guess that's why I can totally see it. I've known dudes like this for over 15 years and although they look straight to MOST I can see the  a mile away.  The person that first brought me out was a straight woman that loved hanging out with gay men friends in gay clubs. I bet you have had some of the same experiences as her such as these men that claim to be straight trying to hit on you, only to go out in the parking lot later that evening when they don't know that you are looking and see them hitting on drag queens. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Who said they are chasing dick? I never said they were chasing dick. They don't want a dick, they want a pussy. However, they will let another man suck their dick and they will fuck another man in the ass. An orgasm is an orgasm no matter who gives it to you, it still feels the same. If you ask any of them, they will tell you they are straight. They will even tell the gay man sucking their dick that they are straight but they just like to get their dick sucked. They will even fight someone for accusing them of being gay or bisexual. Most of them actually believe they are straight because they like women and prefer pussy. And yes, they do prefer a woman over a man. If a woman isn't available, then they will go to a drag queen because it's the closest looking thing to a woman. Also, if they ever get caught, they always have the excuse that "they didn't know it was a man". They will go to a gay man as a last resort. And they do hate gay men, so just because someone appears to "hate fags", don't be fooled. They aren't lying about that, they really do hate gay people, because in their mind, they think they are straight. But as I said before, a 100% straight man will not let another man even touch their dick, let alone suck it. I believe in calling a spade a spade and I be damn if I will let these motherfuckers engage in gay sex and experience the pleasure of it without feeling and the pain and discrimination that the rest of us feel. I'll bust a motherfucker out in a minute and enjoy doing it. "Chasing dick" is just an expression. Whatever the specifics of the sex, gay sex is gay sex. And gays are far and away outnumbered. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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vainandy said: I'm not talking about gay settings only. It goes on everywhere. A lot of men on the street have never participated in gay or bisexual sex but will participate in it if the conditions are right and they think that know one will ever find out. There are several web sites on the internet that prove my point. These aren't thugs but they will show you that damn near every type of man will participate if they think no one will ever find out. There is a site called The Bait Bus where a gay man uses a straight woman as bait to pick up any old guy off the street and lure them into gay sex with him if the guys are offered pussy or money afterwards. There is another site called Major Hardon where a gay guy picks up average marines and offers them beer and money if they will suck and jack each other off. There is another one called Workin' Men where a gay guy approaches average rednecks and offers them money if they will have sex with each other. Now, all these sites will refer to these men as "straight men" but a straight man loses the right to be called "straight" once he's engaged in gay sex. He then becomes a bisexual. And none of these sites are in gay settings. All these men are average men that have been picked up off the street at random. Now, if that doesn't make you wonder just who will fool around, nothing will. This is a perfect example of losing perspective. Do these sites ever tell you about the numerous men they must approach who tell them to go fuck themselves? No, they focus on the ones they actually succeed with, which means people like yourself, reading it, get a distorted impression. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: vainandy said: I'm not talking about gay settings only. It goes on everywhere. A lot of men on the street have never participated in gay or bisexual sex but will participate in it if the conditions are right and they think that know one will ever find out. There are several web sites on the internet that prove my point. These aren't thugs but they will show you that damn near every type of man will participate if they think no one will ever find out. There is a site called The Bait Bus where a gay man uses a straight woman as bait to pick up any old guy off the street and lure them into gay sex with him if the guys are offered pussy or money afterwards. There is another site called Major Hardon where a gay guy picks up average marines and offers them beer and money if they will suck and jack each other off. There is another one called Workin' Men where a gay guy approaches average rednecks and offers them money if they will have sex with each other. Now, all these sites will refer to these men as "straight men" but a straight man loses the right to be called "straight" once he's engaged in gay sex. He then becomes a bisexual. And none of these sites are in gay settings. All these men are average men that have been picked up off the street at random. Now, if that doesn't make you wonder just who will fool around, nothing will. This is a perfect example of losing perspective. Do these sites ever tell you about the numerous men they must approach who tell them to go fuck themselves? No, they focus on the ones they actually succeed with, which means people like yourself, reading it, get a distorted impression. These men on these sites do want to fight in the beginning but they are talked into it with money, beer, or women. If there were so many men that would blow up and leave, the people approaching these men would have eventually ended up dead and these sites have been up for years. I, myself have been in the car with friends who have approached men off the street and the majority of these men have fooled around. Of course, I was scared to death and told them I would never ride with them again because it only takes one lunatic to kill you and I be damned if I'm going to get killed looking for some dick off the street when there's plenty of it in the club. It doesn't matter what I tell you though because people either refuse or don't want to believe that damn near every man is capable of fooling around. A friend of mine told a woman for years that he was having her boyfriend and she refused to believe it because her boyfriend "is a thug" and her boyfriend "hates fags". He had to set her up to actually walk in on him having her man for the crazy bitch to believe it. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: These men on these sites do want to fight in the beginning but they are talked into it with money, beer, or women. If there were so many men that would blow up and leave, the people approaching these men would have eventually ended up dead and these sites have been up for years. I, myself have been in the car with friends who have approached men off the street and the majority of these men have fooled around. Of course, I was scared to death and told them I would never ride with them again because it only takes one lunatic to kill you and I be damned if I'm going to get killed looking for some dick off the street when there's plenty of it in the club. It doesn't matter what I tell you though because people either refuse or don't want to believe that damn near every man is capable of fooling around. A friend of mine told a woman for years that he was having her boyfriend and she refused to believe it because her boyfriend "is a thug" and her boyfriend "hates fags". He had to set her up to actually walk in on him having her man for the crazy bitch to believe it. Like I said, they show you the ones they succeed with, but do they ever show you the ones they fail with? No, which proves my point about giving a distorted impression. Or do you seriously believe they have a 100% success rate? And these basically sound like porn sites anyway. You do realise that 90% of porn (gay and straight) features paid actors, right? “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: vainandy said: These men on these sites do want to fight in the beginning but they are talked into it with money, beer, or women. If there were so many men that would blow up and leave, the people approaching these men would have eventually ended up dead and these sites have been up for years. I, myself have been in the car with friends who have approached men off the street and the majority of these men have fooled around. Of course, I was scared to death and told them I would never ride with them again because it only takes one lunatic to kill you and I be damned if I'm going to get killed looking for some dick off the street when there's plenty of it in the club. It doesn't matter what I tell you though because people either refuse or don't want to believe that damn near every man is capable of fooling around. A friend of mine told a woman for years that he was having her boyfriend and she refused to believe it because her boyfriend "is a thug" and her boyfriend "hates fags". He had to set her up to actually walk in on him having her man for the crazy bitch to believe it. Like I said, they show you the ones they succeed with, but do they ever show you the ones they fail with? No, which proves my point about giving a distorted impression. Or do you seriously believe they have a 100% success rate? And these basically sound like porn sites anyway. You do realise that 90% of porn (gay and straight) features paid actors, right? And as I said before, I've seen it firsthand for myself, not just in porn. I hate to use this phrase because I believe that outsiders to anything are capable of understanding but the phrase does apply to a lot of people..... "It's a gay thang and you wouldn't understand. You would have to walk in my shoes to understand". Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Like I said before, I don't dispute anyone's experiences. I've seen enough of the world to know what goes on. I just think you need to be wary about extrapolating too broadly from your experiences. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Vendetta1 said: Why is everybody gay but folks get pissed if you say it about Prince?
Mystery of the MILLENIUM. I've long since learned to keep my mouth shut about Prince as far as that topic goes, for fear of having the nutter FAMS snap my neck.  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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vainandy said: That's not bigoted. We're the same as everyone else. A lot of black folks see Uncle Toms and thugs as making their race look bad. A lot of white folks see rednecks and the KKK as making their race look bad. And a lot of gay folks see dragons as making gay people look bad. Nobody wants their entire group judged by the bottom of the barrel of their group. Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to think that as long as one is an "ordinary homosexual" (a homosexual who's idea of gender is concrete) than that is fine enough for you; and that transgendered homosexuals are sick perverts who belong at the bottom of the homosexual social barrel. That comes off as bigotry to me. There are some on this page who think that you and other homosexuals are the bottom of the barrel for all of society and I would think they're full of bigoted ideology as well. | |
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chuckaducci said: vainandy said: That's not bigoted. We're the same as everyone else. A lot of black folks see Uncle Toms and thugs as making their race look bad. A lot of white folks see rednecks and the KKK as making their race look bad. And a lot of gay folks see dragons as making gay people look bad. Nobody wants their entire group judged by the bottom of the barrel of their group. Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to think that as long as one is an "ordinary homosexual" (a homosexual who's idea of gender is concrete) than that is fine enough for you; and that transgendered homosexuals are sick perverts who belong at the bottom of the homosexual social barrel. That comes off as bigotry to me. There are some on this page who think that you and other homosexuals are the bottom of the barrel for all of society and I would think they're full of bigoted ideology as well. Please name exactly who you think these people are. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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what happened to this thread?  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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It went to hell, Jay (bboy). | |
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So....
does everyone think Ne-Yo is gay? | |
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I think he's bi
and those lips of his make my gaydar quiver | |
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alphastreet said: I think he's bi
and those lips of his make my gaydar quiver So homosexuality and bisexuality is all about their lips? | |
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where should I start?
Showtime @ The Apollo is a good place let's go back: orange hair stage name is "GoGo" I believe I can stop right there because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." | |
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JustErin said: alphastreet said: I think he's bi
and those lips of his make my gaydar quiver So homosexuality and bisexuality is all about their lips? no no, I'm saying with those lips, he would make a boy very happy! | |
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DirtyChris said: where should I start?
Showtime @ The Apollo is a good place let's go back: orange hair stage name is "GoGo" I believe I can stop right there That was supposed to be gay-ish? It was just bad-ish to me. | |
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vainandy said: Oh Lord, don't get me started on those damn thugs. They love to fuck those damn drag queens. I mean, who do people think are sleeping with drag queens? It certainly isn't gay men. Hell, we want a man and we aren't sick enough in the head to sleep with a sideshow freak that looks like a woman but has a dick. It's these thugs that are fucking them. That's why some of the queens dress in drag because those thugs will go after a drag queen a lot quicker than they will go after a normal gay man. Those thugs fuck those dragons and then they have the nerve to call us normal gay men "fags" as if they were straight. It takes me to get their ass straight because I will tell them in a minute that I'd rather be a fag than a sick pervert that wants an inbetween gender. . . . [Edited 1/14/09 8:18am] Plenty of drag queens are also tops. I've met guys who tell me I'm too masculine for them. (I already commented on the other portion.) I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. | |
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JustErin said: alphastreet said: I think he's bi
and those lips of his make my gaydar quiver So homosexuality and bisexuality is all about their lips? This is precisely what i was trying to say before. There is no "gay look"  www.maximum-jackson.com
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chuckaducci said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to think that as long as one is an "ordinary homosexual" (a homosexual who's idea of gender is concrete) than that is fine enough for you; and that transgendered homosexuals are sick perverts who belong at the bottom of the homosexual social barrel. I'll correct you when you're wrong.  Dressing in drag to perform in a show is fine because that's for the purpose of entertaining. I personally would never do it but if someone else wants to, that's fine. Dressing in drag because you think you are a woman or want to be a woman is sick. They are men, that's just the reality of it and they need to accept it and deal with it. As for them being an embarrassment, yes they are. The first thing that homophobic people like to accuse normal gay men of is being a damn drag queen, as if we are all sick, confused, and don't know what we are.
Then there are those who are normal gay men but dress in drag when they go out strictly because they know these confused perverted bisexual trade will go after them a lot quicker than they will go after a normal gay man. No, drag queens aren't the bottom of the gay barrel, the men who sleep with them are. But of course, society doesn't know about these so-called "straight" men sleeping with them. They think us normal gay men are sleeping with them...as if we're that damn confused and sick enough to want a dick made up in a female package. That comes off as bigotry to me.
Oh well, you call it what you want and I'll call it what I want. There are some on this page who think that you and other homosexuals are the bottom of the barrel for all of society
That's their problem, not mine. I never was one to give a damn about what anyone else thought. As long as I get the rights I'm entitled to, they can think whatever they want and they can kiss my ass while they are thinking it because none of them are paying my bills or supporting me. . . . [ [Edited 1/15/09 6:41am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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marnifrances said: JustErin said: So homosexuality and bisexuality is all about their lips? This is precisely what i was trying to say before. There is no "gay look" In certain communities there ARE characteristics that scream gay. If you're not around it you may not know that, but it's true. The fact that a lot of the people on this thread that think Ne-yo's gayness is obvious (and there ain't nothing wrong with that) are black speaks to that. In some black communities, there are certain characteristics, ways of dress, behaviors, etc. that are indicative of certain types of gay men. | |
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SCNDLS said: marnifrances said: This is precisely what i was trying to say before. There is no "gay look" In certain communities there ARE characteristics that scream gay. If you're not around it you may not know that, but it's true. The fact that a lot of the people on this thread that think Ne-yo's gayness is obvious (and there ain't nothing wrong with that) are black speaks to that. In some black communities, there are certain characteristics, ways of dress, behaviors, etc. that are indicative of certain types of gay men. Well, for sure. That's certainly not exclusive to the black community.
But lips? Lips can determine sexual preference? | |
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JustErin said: SCNDLS said: In certain communities there ARE characteristics that scream gay. If you're not around it you may not know that, but it's true. The fact that a lot of the people on this thread that think Ne-yo's gayness is obvious (and there ain't nothing wrong with that) are black speaks to that. In some black communities, there are certain characteristics, ways of dress, behaviors, etc. that are indicative of certain types of gay men. Well, for sure. That's certainly not exclusive to the black community.
But lips? Lips can determine sexual preference? I think it has to more to do with the gloss on his lips in conjunction with the REST of his appearance which, in that pic, says "Gay Thug" to me. | |
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JustErin said: SCNDLS said: In certain communities there ARE characteristics that scream gay. If you're not around it you may not know that, but it's true. The fact that a lot of the people on this thread that think Ne-yo's gayness is obvious (and there ain't nothing wrong with that) are black speaks to that. In some black communities, there are certain characteristics, ways of dress, behaviors, etc. that are indicative of certain types of gay men. Well, for sure. That's certainly not exclusive to the black community.
But lips? Lips can determine sexual preference? Some people will turn everything into a race issue. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: JustErin said: Well, for sure. That's certainly not exclusive to the black community.
But lips? Lips can determine sexual preference? Some people will turn everything into a race issue. He is black and is displaying characteristics of some gay black men. I don't know a lot of white "gay thugs" but I know tons of black ones.
How is pointing that out turning it into a race issue?  [Edited 1/15/09 7:35am] | |
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