This song is so underrated that it has only just been put on Youtube. I'm sure many of you have never heard it before, so enjoy!

http://uk.youtube.com/wat...cqVGWTIkAc
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midnightmover said:

I was right! I knew it was gonna be Cyndi!!


great song

bboy87 said:

All this promo and I'm not even being paid. But I do think this song would be just as revered as "Time After Time" if more people had the chance to hear it.

I think Hat Full of Stars is my favorite Cyndi album. The title song and Who Let in the Rain should have been big hits for her.

Efan said:

Hat Full of Stars is her definitive album. It was the moment she stopped trying to please other people and just tried to please herself. It's a shame she wasn't allowed to continue in that mode. We'd have a lot of great albums by now.

I think Cyndi is a bit over hyped here and in general (I bought that last album and its lost on me), but the song "Hat Full of Stars" is maybe her best moment as a singer songwriter. I have no idea what it is about, but it gets me. I'll probably get that full album soon.

VinnyM27 said:

Overhyped? She's one of the most under appreciated artists out there. And yes, her last album was shit, but that's because she made it with a gun to her head. Judging her on that is like judging MJ's whole career on Invincible. Perhaps when you get Hat Full of Stars you may see the error of your ways and repent.
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midnightmover said:

Cyndi gets crazy love from music critics and fans, even if she doesn't sell. That being said, I will probably pick up "Hat Full of Stars" soon.

It's not a patch on The Song Of Solomon.

midnightmover said:

Cloudbuster said:

You do realise that you're a deluded loony fucktard with no taste. That album is shit, it's been established.

Cloudbuster said:

Cloudbuster said:

The Song of Solomon is one of my all time favourite songs. Just behind "Hatful of Stars".

VinnyM27 said:

She gets love from a section of the gay community, but beyond that most people just think of her as an '80s novelty. They like her, but they don't take her seriously.

midnightmover said:

Who?

Madonna?
Kate Bush?
Prince?

midnightmover said:

I'm thinking of pretty mainstream sources like the Big 80s channel on Sirius. They always show her plenty of love when they do talk ups. And they play her songs maybe more often than they do Madonna's. In fact, let me test that....

I was totally right. Check out this data just from the Big 80s. Keep in mind all things are equal since this week their Top 40 countdown was 1980 (the year I was born and my birthday is coming up...that's a keeper). Now I can understand back when Sirius was promoting her pro gay tour that they would play more Cyndi (for example, the B52s are treated kindly on several stations because Fred has a show on there) but there is no factor like that.

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We have had Michael Jackson fanatics, Janet Jackson do or dyers, Madonna sympathizers, DeBarge storytellers, Motown lovers (me), soul women fan (Harlepolis), but it's SAFE to say now we have our Cyndi Lauper cheerleader.



She's too underrated anyway.

VinnyM27 said:

Your proof that she's overhyped is that she's played on an '80s channel? Dude, that just confirms everything I'm always saying. Most people just remember her for that handful of hits she had in the '80s, which don't even represent her at all. Her career's been going for 25 years now.

midnightmover said:

She is still constantly talked about with a hellvu a lot more respect and praise than Madonna. It's not like they play Cyndi's songs only because they are novelty tracks. Sirius pretty much plays only the hits unless your new music fits well into one of their genre stations (yes, they are playing her newest single on the dance channel). What I'm talking about is the praise for her voice and songwriting and etc. Now are they going to talk about Cyndi as often as they do Madonna? No. She isn't as productive for one and she isn't as a bit a star in pop culture as Madonna. But still you hear people saying on the radio and in press that it should have been Cyndi that had the career that Madonna has. I'm sure this music to your ears as someone that hates Madonna and adores Cyndi (I would say I'm I prefer Madonna to Cyndi...I don't live and die for either). However, I think it does prove my point.

VinnyM27 said:

This is crazy talk. Most of the people who say Cyndi should've been bigger than Madonna aren't fans of Cyndi's at all. They just use her as a stick to beat Madonna with, which is actually offensive to Cyndi. Ask those people what they think of Hat Full Of Stars and they won't be able to tell you because they've never even heard of it, but they'll almost certainly have heard Ray of Light, an album which pretty much defines the term "overhyped".

You Madonna fans are never satisfied. She is the most successful female artist of all time, gets rave reviews for the most atrocious music, frequently features on lists of the best albums of all time, and is even described as a genius in respectable magazines (Blender actually listed her alongside Bob Dylan as one of the biggest geniuses in musical history). She couldn't have been any more successful and yet still you walk around with a chip on your shoulder because not everyone wants to join the love-in. It's crazy.

The fact is most people think of Lauper as a cute, but disposable '80s act. That shows that she is undervalued, quite contrary to your counterclaims which are purely rooted in paranoia. For every bit of praise Cyndi gets, Madonna gets a thousand times more, even when it's clearly not deserved. Have you read Rolling Stone in the last twenty years?

Okay, I just listened to this song again this morning and was moved to revive this thread and give it a more accurate title. When I think of the songs that have most moved me in my life I think of songs like "Sitting On The Dock of the Bay" and "A Change is Gonna Come", and "Hat Full of Stars" is definitely a song I would add to that list. There's so much regret and sorrow in it. A sense of lost possibilities. I take the song to mean "We had it all, but we didn't know it". Of course with a lyric this poetic you can probably read it in other ways, but it doesn't really matter. All that matters is the song is magic.
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The song is a boring , tedious, medoicre melody at best

seeingvoices12 said:

If you think that melody is mediocre then you need to clean your ears out. Either that or cut down on your MJ intake until your taste improves.
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midnightmover said:

Its not surprising that I get this comment from you, Ignorant comment.

I don't need to clean my ears to like the shitty music your into , behave yourself and try to respect other people opinions , If the song is good i will say that but its simply isn't.....ITs BORING.
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seeingvoices12 said:

Please. You rank lame MJ outtakes as masterpieces. You think "They Don't Care About Us" is "the best political song of all time". In short, you just don't know much.

saw cyndi live a few weeks back and she was AMAZING...totally underrated...i only had her hits cd, but now getting into her other stuff....''who let in the rain' and 'sallys pidgeons' are fantastic

peppeken said:

Aaah, yes. Those two songs are brilliant too. They also come from the Hat Full of Stars album.

midnightmover said:

Stop trying to think that you know EVERYTHING and eveybody else is dumb and knows nothing, you insanely arrogant , The song you posted is so boring coming from a singer who's not relevant since the 80's , "They DON't care about us " is a lame MJ song?.what a laugh, even the haters loved the song, .... and yes i still believe its the strongest political piece created unless i hear something better, melodically it shits over everything cyndi ever created.

And what the outtakes that i said are masterpieces?

And By the way, why you always drag MJ's name in everything and in your discussions to boost your weak cases? any other intelligent, respectful fan will find a way or another to convince me that Cyndi’s song is good but you obviously quite the opposite .

seeingvoices12 said:

Firstly, I didn't call TDCAU lame. I called his outtakes lame. Read my post again. Secondly, no one with any knowledge of the history of music would rank TDCAU as the best political song ever. How many people have covered it? No one, because it's actually a self serving rant that is just pretending to be political. It has no resonance beyond MJ's personal situation. If you want to hear songs that genuinely encapsulate real socio-political subjects, then listen to "The Times They Are A Changin'" or "What's Goin' On"; songs which are constantly being covered because they capture such timeless truths.

You also illustrate your poor ear for melody when you say that melodically TDCAU shits over everything Cyndi ever created. TDCAU has a lot going for it but a great melody is not one of them. Put that melody against "Time After Time" and it's no competition.

As for this song, "Hat Full of Stars", the reason you are failing to hear how good it is, is because it is so stripped down. If a drum beat and a bass line was added you would have a completely different opinion. Take that melody to a piano, compare it to anything and you'll hear how special it is. But at the moment you're just hearing a quiet, rhythm free track, and so the magic is lost on you. But that is your failing, not Cyndi's.

midnightmover said:

Again why you brought MJ into the discussion ? you posted a song of cyndi saying that its underrated , I was curious to check it and I did and posted my opinion then you disrespectfully attacked me saying I should clean my ears , then all of sudden you mentioned MJ....This is a way of a weak detbater..please try to learn to respect other people and their opinions , its not sicencerocket.

...For me TDCAU is the strongest political song i have heard , and contrary to what you have said, the potnetial of the song is the meldoy not the lyrics,MJ has always been a fan of melody, Mj has been known as a great composer not only as songwriter...

and about the song .....drum beat, baseline?,,what you are talking about? I will judge the song as it is, not if this added or that added ,the song is BORING and that doesn't mean that I have something against cyndi.....Thats my opinion.....deal with it.

as for the song "time after time" being better melody than "TDCAU"...I won't even bother responding to this.....lol
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