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Thread started 12/01/08 5:57am

graecophilos

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Was the second side of Off The Wall meant to be slower?

I mean, the a-side is probably the best string of songs ever on any album. Really great songs.
But then the second side begins with Girlfriend, She's Out, I Can't help It..
It's The Falling In Love is not slow of course, but it's more romantic than Off The Wall.
Okay, the very last song is fast again, but it always seemed to me it was meant that way. Am I wrong?
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Reply #1 posted 12/01/08 6:02am

alphastreet

Not really wrong, was something like this unheard of in those times?
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Reply #2 posted 12/01/08 6:03am

SoulAlive

Side B begins with the title track,which is excellent headbang

but then the album slows down with some slower,midtempo numbers.Quincy was trying to balance the album so that it was more than just a dancefloor record.So yeah,I think it was intentional.
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Reply #3 posted 12/01/08 6:05am

alphastreet

SoulAlive said:

Side B begins with the title track,which is excellent headbang

but then the album slows down with some slower,midtempo numbers.Quincy was trying to balance the album so that it was more than just a dancefloor record.So yeah,I think it was intentional.


I found that a lot of artists in the 90's continued to do that but it didn't work to their advantage. You know how many times I bought an r&b album with a fast dance number and most of the record turned out to be ballads afterwards? Mariah Carey, Deborah Cox, New Edition, Mary J. Blige are all good examples.
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Reply #4 posted 12/01/08 6:14am

SoulAlive

alphastreet said:

SoulAlive said:

Side B begins with the title track,which is excellent headbang

but then the album slows down with some slower,midtempo numbers.Quincy was trying to balance the album so that it was more than just a dancefloor record.So yeah,I think it was intentional.


I found that a lot of artists in the 90's continued to do that but it didn't work to their advantage. You know how many times I bought an r&b album with a fast dance number and most of the record turned out to be ballads afterwards? Mariah Carey, Deborah Cox, New Edition, Mary J. Blige are all good examples.


I know what you mean.That's why I rarely buy modern-day R&B albums lol These people do one or two uptempo tracks,then pile on all these ballads and midtempo songs.I grew up in the days of funk and disco! Give me the uptempo stuff! lol
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Reply #5 posted 12/01/08 6:34am

alphastreet

SoulAlive said:

alphastreet said:



I found that a lot of artists in the 90's continued to do that but it didn't work to their advantage. You know how many times I bought an r&b album with a fast dance number and most of the record turned out to be ballads afterwards? Mariah Carey, Deborah Cox, New Edition, Mary J. Blige are all good examples.


I know what you mean.That's why I rarely buy modern-day R&B albums lol These people do one or two uptempo tracks,then pile on all these ballads and midtempo songs.I grew up in the days of funk and disco! Give me the uptempo stuff! lol


I would rather have mostly fun, fast, dancy stuff too. I think that's why I love records like Rhythm Nation so much, that's just an example.
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Reply #6 posted 12/01/08 6:38am

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This is one of the reasons why "Off The Wall", is MJ's best album. The songs on that album have aged more gracefully that those that were on "Thriller". I play "Off The Wall", a least once a week. I cannot remember the last time I spun, "Thriller".
"Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth"
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Reply #7 posted 12/01/08 10:11am

alphastreet

shorttrini said:

This is one of the reasons why "Off The Wall", is MJ's best album. The songs on that album have aged more gracefully that those that were on "Thriller". I play "Off The Wall", a least once a week. I cannot remember the last time I spun, "Thriller".


although OTW has classics, it's also sorta disco-ish, though it sounds timeless at the same time
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Reply #8 posted 12/01/08 10:19am

shorttrini

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alphastreet said:

shorttrini said:

This is one of the reasons why "Off The Wall", is MJ's best album. The songs on that album have aged more gracefully that those that were on "Thriller". I play "Off The Wall", a least once a week. I cannot remember the last time I spun, "Thriller".


although OTW has classics, it's also sorta disco-ish, though it sounds timeless at the same time



It does have a disco sound, but it is still soulfull. Tracks like, "Get On The Floor" and "Workin' Day and Night, have that, in your face funk, that is just nuts.
"Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth"
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Reply #9 posted 12/01/08 10:20am

Mara

The B side of OTW is magical to me.

"I Can't Help It" sounds magical @ 5 in the morning.
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Reply #10 posted 12/01/08 10:59am

alphastreet

Mara said:

The B side of OTW is magical to me.

"I Can't Help It" sounds magical @ 5 in the morning.


so does mary j.blige all that I can say which sampled/borrowed from it, as well as another track on the mary album.

It is beautiful for sure
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Reply #11 posted 12/01/08 11:12am

Cinnie

You can be assured that ANY album sequence is intentional. nod



I think Off The Wall is a great example of a balanced album. I would have been burned out with a bunch more uptempo songs on side B.

The way it exists, once side B is over, I'm ready for side A again.
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Reply #12 posted 12/01/08 11:18am

alphastreet

and Quincy and/or Michael was a genius who probably realized the same thing and intentionally made the album like this....much like beyonce trying with her whole disc 1-ballads and disc 2-fast uptempos thing and naming each one :p
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Reply #13 posted 12/01/08 11:48am

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alphastreet said:

Not really wrong, was something like this unheard of in those times?

Not at all, it was quite common around then for some artists to subdivide their track-tempos.
A few acts even titled their album-sides differently like "fast side/slow side" "dance side/romantic side" , etc ...
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Reply #14 posted 12/01/08 11:54am

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alphastreet said:

and Quincy and/or Michael was a genius who probably realized the same thing and intentionally made the album like this....much like beyonce trying with her whole disc 1-ballads and disc 2-fast uptempos thing and naming each one :p



Beyonce naming each disk something different,was more for publicity. Michael deciding the moods of side A and B, was just logical thinking between him and Q.They figured that after an 30 minutes of partying, you need to cool down and relax.
"Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth"
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Reply #15 posted 12/01/08 12:12pm

alphastreet

shorttrini said:

alphastreet said:

and Quincy and/or Michael was a genius who probably realized the same thing and intentionally made the album like this....much like beyonce trying with her whole disc 1-ballads and disc 2-fast uptempos thing and naming each one :p



Beyonce naming each disk something different,was more for publicity. Michael deciding the moods of side A and B, was just logical thinking between him and Q.They figured that after an 30 minutes of partying, you need to cool down and relax.


I know it was for publicity, thanks
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Reply #16 posted 12/01/08 12:51pm

Marrk

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shorttrini said:

alphastreet said:

and Quincy and/or Michael was a genius who probably realized the same thing and intentionally made the album like this....much like beyonce trying with her whole disc 1-ballads and disc 2-fast uptempos thing and naming each one :p



Beyonce naming each disk something different,was more for publicity. Michael deciding the moods of side A and B, was just logical thinking between him and Q.They figured that after an 30 minutes of partying, you need to cool down and relax.


that's part of it's genius. be it MJ's or S's. i don't really care. Off The Wall is my favourite album of all time. and the tempo of the whole album is one of the reasons, i feel.
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