Timmy84 said: curioso said: So? Michael Jackson could be 25% Native American, 20% Irish or whatever. End of the day they're both black and don't have a white parent. We don't know if the Jacksons got European blood though it's possible. Hell, I haven't seen Jermaine take part in one of those African-American Lives specials, curie. I know for years Tina Turner (Anna Mae Bullock) thought she was half black and half Cherokee/Navajo. When she checked her history, she found out she had 30% European blood and only 1% Native American blood. Particularly she's of African-American descent for the most part. As is probably Michael and his entire family. They definitely have Euopean blood though the majority of their ancestry is obviously African. Chris Tucker did that show also and was found to have Angolan, Cameroonian. European and Native American ancestry. One of the Jacksons should do that show. | |
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curioso said: Timmy84 said: We don't know if the Jacksons got European blood though it's possible. Hell, I haven't seen Jermaine take part in one of those African-American Lives specials, curie. I know for years Tina Turner (Anna Mae Bullock) thought she was half black and half Cherokee/Navajo. When she checked her history, she found out she had 30% European blood and only 1% Native American blood. Particularly she's of African-American descent for the most part. As is probably Michael and his entire family. They definitely have Euopean blood though the majority of their ancestry is obviously African. Chris Tucker did that show also and was found to have Angolan, Cameroonian. European and Native American ancestry. One of the Jacksons should do that show. They better. Wasn't like Jermaine wasn't asked to participate. Don't do it now, people will think he's a liar, lol. They still black at the end of the day and those kids are very light. Anyway... | |
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curioso said: PurpleCharm said: Quincy may not be mixed race but all his children don't look full-white. Even Mariah has a sibling that looks more mixed than her. The Jackson's have very strong features . I just can not see MJ have not 1 or 2, but 3 children and none of them look like they are mixed with anything other than white and white. Seems highly unlikely. The youngest child is the most likely to be his biological child. I definitely don't believe the other two are especially the boy. I was just responding to the person who left out Quincy Jones in their critique. [Edited 10/12/08 14:31pm] I have seen all Quincey Jones kids & although some of them are really pale skin wwith blue eyes they still look more mixed race than Michael's kids, especially tthe first two. The only reason why I believe that Blanket could be his is because he looks at least as dark as Lourdes (Madonna child's) but even then there are still doubts. For someone like Michael, who is not bi-racial genetically, to have 3 children with hardly any african features what so ever is just too much of a coincidence considering all the other concidences surrounding Michael. | |
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whatsgoingon said: curioso said: The youngest child is the most likely to be his biological child. I definitely don't believe the other two are especially the boy. I was just responding to the person who left out Quincy Jones in their critique. I have seen all Quincey Jones kids & although some of them are really pale skin wwith blue eyes they still look more mixed race than Michael's kids, especially tthe first two. The only reason why I believe that Blanket could be his is because he looks at least as dark as Lourdes (Madonna child's) but even then there are still doubts. For someone like Michael, who is not bi-racial genetically, to have 3 children with hardly any african features what so ever is just too much of a coincidence considering all the other concidences surrounding Michael. Yet it's still not impossible. I know a couple (black male, white female) who have two sons and two daughters, only the eldest son has dark skin and obvious African ancestry. One of the daughters even has fair hair yet neither of her parents do. So who knows. | |
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Why can't people just leave these children's genetic make-up alone? The only accurate way to know is someone's children are biologically theirs is by parternity testing and even that's only 99.99999% accurate, but that's 100 times more accurate than someone just staring at a picture. Do I believe that half of those kid's DNA is MJs? Yes! Do I believe that MJ made them the old-fashioned way? Hell Nah!! In Vitro may have been there to help; it's not exactly a new science...I think Garcelle Beauvais-Nilon did in vitro to get her twins and rumors say that Jennifer Lopez and Marc Anthony also used the procedure to help conceive.
Maybe MJ used an alternative reproduction method to make his kids, but so what, it really doesn't matter, because it's still an egg and sperm collaboration that makes a baby happen; and, it's who takes care of the baby once they come into this world that makes all the difference in the end. Just because a man makes a baby doesn't make him a father and same goes for women too. Just because a girl has a child doesn't mean she should automatically get the 'mommy' title. There are tons of women who adopt children because they can't naturally have any and many of them deserve the title more than some women who can naturally have kids IMO. Raising a child is just as important as making and giving birth to one is...maybe even more important. I just think it's silly when people say someone's kid may not be biologically theres. An few episode of 'Maury' and this article should tell you that genetics are a lot more complex than that: [Edited 10/12/08 15:32pm] Prince Rogers Nelson
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Cloudbuster said: whatsgoingon said: I have seen all Quincey Jones kids & although some of them are really pale skin wwith blue eyes they still look more mixed race than Michael's kids, especially tthe first two. The only reason why I believe that Blanket could be his is because he looks at least as dark as Lourdes (Madonna child's) but even then there are still doubts. For someone like Michael, who is not bi-racial genetically, to have 3 children with hardly any african features what so ever is just too much of a coincidence considering all the other concidences surrounding Michael. Yet it's still not impossible. I know a couple (black male, white female) who have two sons and two daughters, only the eldest son has dark skin and obvious African ancestry. One of the daughters even has fair hair yet neither of her parents do. So who knows. It's not necessarily about having just dark skin & hair. I know loads of mixed-race children who are practically as pale as their white parent, who have light eyes etc, but there is something there that depicts their mixed hertitage. It could be the texture of the hair, the features or the complexion. The problem with Michael kids, especially the first 2 kids, there is nothing there to depict their mixed hertitage and lets not forget we are talking Michael Jackson here, who has deliberately eliminated anything that looks black about himself, even if you do believe the vitiligo story. | |
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That's real rare though. I have a cousin who married a Scottish woman but their eldest son is not even his though he's raised him as one and he's full-Scottish (though he thinks he's black, lol!)
But having babies of different skin textures (meaning darker-skinned, brown-eyed versus fair-skinned, blue-eyed) is VERY, VERY rare. Did anyone ask the parents if they were both of mixed race? | |
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Timmy84 said: That's real rare though. I have a cousin who married a Scottish woman but their eldest son is not even his though he's raised him as one and he's full-Scottish (though he thinks he's black, lol!)
But having babies of different skin textures (meaning darker-skinned, brown-eyed versus fair-skinned, blue-eyed) is VERY, VERY rare. Did anyone ask the parents if they were both of mixed race? Both those parents are bi-racial, so having twins of different colouring is a possibilty. The problem with MJ fans they are forever comparing Michael with bi-racial parents like Victoria Rowell etc. They can't seem to get it into their fanatic heads that Michael ain't biracial, he may have some mixed blood down the line, but he ain't biracial like Halle Berry or Alicia Keyes. | |
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I'm glad you mentioned Garcelle because she's another black person, not biracial, who gave birth to kids that are not obviously of black descent. Why is it so hard for people to believe that it's possible for a black person to have kids that are not obviously mixed? Like I said before I know folks with TWO black parents that look as white as they wanna be. It can happen. Jeez!
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SCNDLS said: I'm glad you mentioned Garcelle because she's another black person, not biracial, who gave birth to kids that are not obviously of black descent. Why is it so hard for people to believe that it's possible for a black person to have kids that are not obviously mixed? Like I said before I know folks with TWO black parents that look as white as they wanna be. It can happen. Jeez!
[Edited 10/12/08 15:25pm] I bet by the time those babies are 5 yrs old you will see their mixed heritage coming out no matter how blue their eyes are. | |
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whatsgoingon said: SCNDLS said: I'm glad you mentioned Garcelle because she's another black person, not biracial, who gave birth to kids that are not obviously of black descent. Why is it so hard for people to believe that it's possible for a black person to have kids that are not obviously mixed? Like I said before I know folks with TWO black parents that look as white as they wanna be. It can happen. Jeez!
[Edited 10/12/08 15:25pm] I bet by the time those babies are 5 yrs old you will see their mixed heritage coming out no matter how blue their eyes are. Then again, they might not. No one knows, that's how genetics work. | |
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SCNDLS said: I'm glad you mentioned Garcelle because she's another black person, not biracial, who gave birth to kids that are not obviously of black descent. Why is it so hard for people to believe that it's possible for a black person to have kids that are not obviously mixed? Like I said before I know folks with TWO black parents that look as white as they wanna be. It can happen. Jeez!
[Edited 10/12/08 15:25pm] MAN I could tell they BLACK! For real I can... they're mixed but you can see their African features for sure. | |
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Timmy84 said: SCNDLS said: I'm glad you mentioned Garcelle because she's another black person, not biracial, who gave birth to kids that are not obviously of black descent. Why is it so hard for people to believe that it's possible for a black person to have kids that are not obviously mixed? Like I said before I know folks with TWO black parents that look as white as they wanna be. It can happen. Jeez!
[Edited 10/12/08 15:25pm] MAN I could tell they BLACK! For real I can... they're mixed but you can see their African features for sure. You have a keen eye. | |
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Timmy84 said: SCNDLS said: I'm glad you mentioned Garcelle because she's another black person, not biracial, who gave birth to kids that are not obviously of black descent. Why is it so hard for people to believe that it's possible for a black person to have kids that are not obviously mixed? Like I said before I know folks with TWO black parents that look as white as they wanna be. It can happen. Jeez!
[Edited 10/12/08 15:25pm] MAN I could tell they BLACK! For real I can... they're mixed but you can see their African features for sure. Nothing about them kids, scream black to me. They just look goofy to me. | |
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SCNDLS said: I'm glad you mentioned Garcelle because she's another black person, not biracial, who gave birth to kids that are not obviously of black descent. Why is it so hard for people to believe that it's possible for a black person to have kids that are not obviously mixed? Like I said before I know folks with TWO black parents that look as white as they wanna be. It can happen. Jeez!
[Edited 10/12/08 15:25pm] Exactly! First time I saw Halle Barry's and Alicia Key's moms, I was like...who the fuck are those women that they are huggin' soo tight? One of their moms had red hair in a picture I saw a few years back and red hair is a strong genetic trait but for neither one of them to have a single red hair on those heads shows you that genetics don't always give you what you want or expect. My skin tone is nothing like either of my parents. My mom is dark-skinned and my dad is bright as the sun and yet I came out mocha brown with a red tinge. It's because my mom's dad was part Native American. She didn't get any of the red coloring, but I sure did. Hell, my second cousin is a bright skinned black child with shitloads of red hair. God is going to give you the kid that He feels like giving you. Prince Rogers Nelson
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whatsgoingon said: Cloudbuster said: Yet it's still not impossible. I know a couple (black male, white female) who have two sons and two daughters, only the eldest son has dark skin and obvious African ancestry.
One of the daughters even has fair hair yet neither of her parents do. So who knows. It's not necessarily about having just dark skin & hair. I know loads of mixed-race children who are practically as pale as their white parent, who have light eyes etc, but there is something there that depicts their mixed hertitage. It could be the texture of the hair, the features or the complexion. The problem with Michael kids, especially the first 2 kids, there is nothing there to depict their mixed hertitage and lets not forget we are talking Michael Jackson here, who has deliberately eliminated anything that looks black about himself, even if you do believe the vitiligo story. Yet all three have dark hair, unlike their mum (and Paris's hair doesn't look straight,) and Prince definately shows hints of Mike's eyes (minus the false lashes) and bone structure. His big hands and feet may also have come from Mike. I could be wrong, but so could you. Time will tell, I guess. | |
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curioso said: Timmy84 said: MAN I could tell they BLACK! For real I can... they're mixed but you can see their African features for sure. You have a keen eye. Watch them years later when they get a tan. Then you'll agree with me. | |
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whatsgoingon said: Timmy84 said: That's real rare though. I have a cousin who married a Scottish woman but their eldest son is not even his though he's raised him as one and he's full-Scottish (though he thinks he's black, lol!)
But having babies of different skin textures (meaning darker-skinned, brown-eyed versus fair-skinned, blue-eyed) is VERY, VERY rare. Did anyone ask the parents if they were both of mixed race? Both those parents are bi-racial, so having twins of different colouring is a possibilty. The problem with MJ fans they are forever comparing Michael with bi-racial parents like Victoria Rowell etc. They can't seem to get it into their fanatic heads that Michael ain't biracial, he may have some mixed blood down the line, but he ain't biracial like Halle Berry or Alicia Keyes. All of MJ's fans don't believe they are his children, no need to generalize. I for one am not sure myself if they are his or not. Michael isn't anymore mixed than many of us other African-Americans that can trace in our family lineage non black people. Victoria's pics were just to show that looks can be deceiving. Many believed Halle to be fully black until they found out her mother is white. Tiger Woods has to proclaim to the world that he's "kablanasian" when he's clearly looked at as just a black man. If those children are not Michael's biological children then what a shame when the Jacksons are a good looking family mostly pre-surgery. | |
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Cloudbuster said: whatsgoingon said: It's not necessarily about having just dark skin & hair. I know loads of mixed-race children who are practically as pale as their white parent, who have light eyes etc, but there is something there that depicts their mixed hertitage. It could be the texture of the hair, the features or the complexion. The problem with Michael kids, especially the first 2 kids, there is nothing there to depict their mixed hertitage and lets not forget we are talking Michael Jackson here, who has deliberately eliminated anything that looks black about himself, even if you do believe the vitiligo story. Yet all three have dark hair, unlike their mum (and Paris's hair doesn't look straight,) and Prince definately shows hints of Mike's eyes (minus the false lashes) and bone structure. His big hands and feet may also have come from Mike. I could be wrong, but so could you. Time will tell, I guess. Blanket ain't Debbie's child, you dick. | |
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Cloudbuster said: Cloudbuster said: Yet all three have dark hair, unlike their mum (and Paris's hair doesn't look straight,) and Prince definately shows hints of Mike's eyes (minus the false lashes) and bone structure.
His big hands and feet may also have come from Mike. I could be wrong, but so could you. Time will tell, I guess. Blanket ain't Debbie's child, you dick. | |
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Timmy84 said: That's real rare though. I have a cousin who married a Scottish woman but their eldest son is not even his though he's raised him as one and he's full-Scottish (though he thinks he's black, lol!)
But having babies of different skin textures (meaning darker-skinned, brown-eyed versus fair-skinned, blue-eyed) is VERY, VERY rare. Did anyone ask the parents if they were both of mixed race? Genetics are an interesting and unpredictable thing. I just recently found out that green eyes are considered a genetic defect, that blonde hair and blue eyes are recessive genes, even though there are tons of blonde haired and blue eyed people walking around, and that scientists have come to discover that pale skin is actually an abnormal defect in chromosomes. I'm no geneticist, but I work with dogs all day and have had many clients say their dog is a certain breed yet I'll stare at it and say in my mind, "How the hell is that possible?" Dog will look nothing like the breed they tell me, but they insist that's what they paid for so Prince Rogers Nelson
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I don't really give a damn if the kids are his biologically or notbut why isthere a thread big upping Michael for what he is supposed to do? | |
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estelle81 said: I just think it's silly when people say someone's kid may not be biologically theres. An few episode of 'Maury' and this article should tell you that genetics are a lot more complex than that:
[Edited 10/12/08 15:32pm] I agree, genetics are very complex. The nay sayers will say that it's not a good argument because the parents are mixed but I wonder what they will say about these twins whose mother's are both African. lol Genetics is weird, can't figure them out. [img] [img] [img] | |
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estelle81 said: SCNDLS said: I'm glad you mentioned Garcelle because she's another black person, not biracial, who gave birth to kids that are not obviously of black descent. Why is it so hard for people to believe that it's possible for a black person to have kids that are not obviously mixed? Like I said before I know folks with TWO black parents that look as white as they wanna be. It can happen. Jeez!
[Edited 10/12/08 15:25pm] Exactly! First time I saw Halle Barry's and Alicia Key's moms, I was like...who the fuck are those women that they are huggin' soo tight? One of their moms had red hair in a picture I saw a few years back and red hair is a strong genetic trait but for neither one of them to have a single red hair on those heads shows you that genetics don't always give you what you want or expect. My skin tone is nothing like either of my parents. My mom is dark-skinned and my dad is bright as the sun and yet I came out mocha brown with a red tinge. It's because my mom's dad was part Native American. She didn't get any of the red coloring, but I sure did. Hell, my second cousin is a bright skinned black child with shitloads of red hair. God is going to give you the kid that He feels like giving you. It doesn't matter how light or dark a bi-racial person is there is still something there that can depict their mixed heritage. I was not surprise Alicia Keyes or Halle Berry are bi-racial, even though they are more to the dark side. Now if someone said that Alek Wek was biracial then I would be dumbfounded. | |
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estelle81 said: Genetics are an interesting and unpredictable thing. I just recently found out that green eyes are considered a genetic defect, that blonde hair and blue eyes are recessive genes, even though there are tons of blonde haired and blue eyed people walking around, and that scientists have come to discover that pale skin is actually an abnormal defect in chromosomes.
I'm no geneticist, but I work with dogs all day and have had many clients say their dog is a certain breed yet I'll stare at it and say in my mind, "How the hell is that possible?" Dog will look nothing like the breed they tell me, but they insist that's what they paid for so I'm defected. | |
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Stymie said: I don't really give a damn if the kids are his biologically or not but why is there a thread big upping Michael for what he is supposed to do?
Probably because plenty of people would like to see him fail as a father. You know how it is. . [Edited 10/12/08 16:47pm] | |
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Cloudbuster said: Stymie said: I don't really give a damn if the kids are his biologically or not but why is there a thread big upping Michael for what he is supposed to do?
Probably because plenty of people would like to him fail as a father. You know how it is. | |
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Stymie said: Well people who think like that are losers.
Plenty of them around, tho'. | |
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I wonder if Quincy or any of the other celebrities had to respond to accusations of their mixed raced white "lookin" children not being theirs.
and I wanna know how many white people on this board think that mj's children are white and not black LOVE HARD. | |
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