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Printablemuse87 said: I like your list i havnt heard the Lewis Taylor one yet many thanks. you'll like LT. IIRC, it dropped in 1996, I discovered it years later. But it's a solid effort, the UK's answer to Brown Sugar and Urban Hang Suite. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said: AlexdeParis said: That's a pretty good list. I'm a little curious why you think Van Hunt predates neo-soul, though. Are you talking about "Hopeless" and everything else he did pre-debut? I'll have to think about a top 10 list, but I can guarantee that Brown Sugar is #1 and Voodoo is #2. Good points, but notice the term "or." I don't think Van predates neo-soul, I just don't think that he is neo-soul. His style is broader. Heh, I totally skipped over that "or."  "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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sextonseven said: magnificentsynthesizer said: Goth was actually derogatory term that art/achitecture critics used to describe the art of that period, so i don't blame them. And then there are threads like this one that don't help either: http://prince.org/msg/100/273067 ouch.  | |
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since no one brought this one up and funkpill reminded me:
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Why not include these titles in the discussion. i hate the "neosoul" label also, but sonically, these albums/artists HAVE to be considered ancestors to neosoul
Soul II Soul - Keep On Moving Brand New Heavies - Self-Titled Loose Ends - Zagora & Look How Long Another one i'd include in the modern era is: Dione Farris - Wildseed, Wildflower Lisa McClendon - My Diary, Your Life [Edited 10/8/08 11:44am] | |
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After all these years I still don’t get the neo-soul title but here are my top 10 favorite neo-soulesque albums that I think are just plain good music:
Eric Benet – True to Myself Erykah Badu – Mama’s Gun Cree Summer - Street Faerie Maxwell – Urban Hang Suite Brand New Heavies – Shelter Jill Scott – Words & Sounds Vol. 1 MeShell Ndegeocello – Bitter Floetry – Floetic Rahsaan Patterson – Love in Stereo Sweetback - Sweetback Bonus: Erykah Badu – Worldwide Underground EP Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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oh, and let me not forget, India's auspicious debut, Acoustic Soul. i know she's not THOUGHT of immediately as "neosoul" but remember the video for Ready For Love had all the "neosoul" cats in it? solid album (i still hate Alicia Keys got all the Grammy's with her non-singing self) | |
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datdude said: oh, and let me not forget, India's auspicious debut, Acoustic Soul. i know she's not THOUGHT of immediately as "neosoul" but remember the video for Ready For Love had all the "neosoul" cats in it? solid album (i still hate Alicia Keys got all the Grammy's with her non-singing self)
Naw, she's definitely Neo Soul. Behind Erykah and Jill, India is 3rd in line as poster chick for Neo Soul. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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C'mon, y'all. It's not rocket science:
The term NEO SOUL simply means "The NEW GENERATION (New Skool) of R&B artists that are KEEPING ALIVE/CARRYING THE TORCH of 60s/70s SOUL MUSIC. That's it. It's not claiming to be RECREATING SOUL MUSIC or saying that soul music has died and then these cats are bringing it back. Some clown took that and ran with it and now people refuse to think beyond that definition and they simply just "go with the flow" with everyone that's against the term Neo Soul now. Like it's the "cool thing" to do. Again, NO ONE had an issue with that phrase UNTIL Saadiq came out publicly about it back in 2002, solely because artists felt that since the genre's popularity and sales were waning, that calling an artist "Neo Soul" was the kiss of death as far as sales went. Trust me, if the sales picked up and the popularity began to get crackin' again like it did back from 95-02, Saadiq - and the rest of them that followed suit - wouldn't have ANY problem calling it Neo Soul again - and neither would ya'll .nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: C'mon, y'all. It's not rocket science:
The term NEO SOUL simply means "The NEW GENERATION (New Skool) of R&B artists that are KEEPING ALIVE/CARRYING THE TORCH of 60s/70s SOUL MUSIC. That's it. It's not claiming to be RECREATING SOUL MUSIC or saying that soul music has died and then these cats are bringing it back. Some clown took that and ran with it and now people refuse to think beyond that definition and they simply just "go with the flow" with everyone that's against the term Neo Soul now. Like it's the "cool thing" to do. Again, NO ONE had an issue with that phrase UNTIL Saadiq came out publicly about it back in 2002, solely because artists felt that since the genre's popularity and sales were waning, that calling an artist "Neo Soul" was the kiss of death as far as sales went. Trust me, if the sales picked up and the popularity began to get crackin' again like it did back from 95-02, Saadiq - and the rest of them that followed suit - wouldn't have ANY problem calling it Neo Soul again - and neither would ya'll .The term still turns me off regardless of how/why it is used. | |
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MuthaFunka said: C'mon, y'all. It's not rocket science:
The term NEO SOUL simply means "The NEW GENERATION (New Skool) of R&B artists that are KEEPING ALIVE/CARRYING THE TORCH of 60s/70s SOUL MUSIC. That's it. It's not claiming to be RECREATING SOUL MUSIC or saying that soul music has died and then these cats are bringing it back. Some clown took that and ran with it and now people refuse to think beyond that definition and they simply just "go with the flow" with everyone that's against the term Neo Soul now. Like it's the "cool thing" to do. Again, NO ONE had an issue with that phrase UNTIL Saadiq came out publicly about it back in 2002, solely because artists felt that since the genre's popularity and sales were waning, that calling an artist "Neo Soul" was the kiss of death as far as sales went. Trust me, if the sales picked up and the popularity began to get crackin' again like it did back from 95-02, Saadiq - and the rest of them that followed suit - wouldn't have ANY problem calling it Neo Soul again - and neither would ya'll .I didn't know Saadiq said anything about it.  I just hate labels. I figured it was created as a marketing plan so you know you're not getting Usher. I just never really gave it that much thought. It was good. I liked it. Didn't know or care what it was.[Edited 10/8/08 13:09pm] Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Graycap23 said: MuthaFunka said: C'mon, y'all. It's not rocket science:
The term NEO SOUL simply means "The NEW GENERATION (New Skool) of R&B artists that are KEEPING ALIVE/CARRYING THE TORCH of 60s/70s SOUL MUSIC. That's it. It's not claiming to be RECREATING SOUL MUSIC or saying that soul music has died and then these cats are bringing it back. Some clown took that and ran with it and now people refuse to think beyond that definition and they simply just "go with the flow" with everyone that's against the term Neo Soul now. Like it's the "cool thing" to do. Again, NO ONE had an issue with that phrase UNTIL Saadiq came out publicly about it back in 2002, solely because artists felt that since the genre's popularity and sales were waning, that calling an artist "Neo Soul" was the kiss of death as far as sales went. Trust me, if the sales picked up and the popularity began to get crackin' again like it did back from 95-02, Saadiq - and the rest of them that followed suit - wouldn't have ANY problem calling it Neo Soul again - and neither would ya'll .The term still turns me off regardless of how/why it is used. You and me gonna fight .nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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JackieBlue said: MuthaFunka said: C'mon, y'all. It's not rocket science:
The term NEO SOUL simply means "The NEW GENERATION (New Skool) of R&B artists that are KEEPING ALIVE/CARRYING THE TORCH of 60s/70s SOUL MUSIC. That's it. It's not claiming to be RECREATING SOUL MUSIC or saying that soul music has died and then these cats are bringing it back. Some clown took that and ran with it and now people refuse to think beyond that definition and they simply just "go with the flow" with everyone that's against the term Neo Soul now. Like it's the "cool thing" to do. Again, NO ONE had an issue with that phrase UNTIL Saadiq came out publicly about it back in 2002, solely because artists felt that since the genre's popularity and sales were waning, that calling an artist "Neo Soul" was the kiss of death as far as sales went. Trust me, if the sales picked up and the popularity began to get crackin' again like it did back from 95-02, Saadiq - and the rest of them that followed suit - wouldn't have ANY problem calling it Neo Soul again - and neither would ya'll .I didn't know Saadiq said anything about it. I just hate labels. I figured it was created as a marketing plan. I just never really gave it that much thought. It was good. I liked it. Didn't know or care what it was.Yeah, Saadiq was the first artist to come out against it (which is ironic since he's pretty much the godfather of the genre), then you started to see artists like Anthony Hamilton, Jaguar Wright come out against it. Jaguar even went as so far as to name her last CD "Divorcing Neo to Marry Soul". And the man that coined the phrase was the same cat behind bringing us D'Angelo and Bady - Kedar Massenburg. He originally called it "Neo Classic Soul" (It first appears on D'Angelo's "Brown Sugar" album) and then over time the "classic" was dropped. So the orifinal title tells you right there that it was meant to pay homage to the 60s/70s soul artists. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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My Top 10
Van Hunt: Van Hunt D'angelo: Voodoo Lewis Taylor: Stoned Part 1 Musiq:Aijuswanaseing Bilal: Love for Sale Maxwell: Embrya Me'Shell Ndegeocello: Comfort Woman Res: How I do Tony Toni Tone: House of Music Cody Chesnutt: The Headphone Masterpiece | |
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Heavy rotation here.....
Nuwamba - "Above The Water" Anthony David - "Acey / Duecey" Gary Taylor...ANYTHING  Funk Is It's Own Reward | |
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MuthaFunka said: Graycap23 said: The term still turns me off regardless of how/why it is used. You and me gonna fight .lol.....I'm good for 15 rounds. | |
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MuthaFunka said: JackieBlue said: I didn't know Saadiq said anything about it. I just hate labels. I figured it was created as a marketing plan. I just never really gave it that much thought. It was good. I liked it. Didn't know or care what it was.Yeah, Saadiq was the first artist to come out against it (which is ironic since he's pretty much the godfather of the genre), then you started to see artists like Anthony Hamilton, Jaguar Wright come out against it. Jaguar even went as so far as to name her last CD "Divorcing Neo to Marry Soul". And the man that coined the phrase was the same cat behind bringing us D'Angelo and Bady - Kedar Massenburg. He originally called it "Neo Classic Soul" (It first appears on D'Angelo's "Brown Sugar" album) and then over time the "classic" was dropped. So the orifinal title tells you right there that it was meant to pay homage to the 60s/70s soul artists. This is interesting. My thing is, weren’t there always artists making soul music somewhere? What were people listening to prior to neo-soul? But I’m not a soul music expert so I can’t really say. I just didn’t understand why it had to be labeled neo-soul. Anyway, I wanted to see what Jaguar Wright’s issue was with it and found an old interview she did with VIBE. Here’s a piece of it and she even mentions Res: I love the title of your latest album Divorcing Neo 2 Marry Soul. Was your marriage to neo-soul willing, or were you pegged a neo soul artist? J.W.: Yeah, I was definitely pegged neo-soul. I disagreed with it as time went on and as the whole neo-soul brand got bigger. I started reading articles that would say, “neo-soul artist Faith Evans”, or, “Usher” – Faith and Usher are pop singers! My friend Res was labeled neo-soul and she’s alternative rock. So, I said, okay, this is the new nigger music! They found a way to just group us all together. Then I said, there’s no way to identify this thing and it’s strictly a marketing tool. Marketing is very important in the corporate world, but it still isn’t the basis for art. The truth is that I’m just a soul singer. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Graycap23 said: MuthaFunka said: You and me gonna fight .lol.....I'm good for 15 rounds. See, you think this is the 80s and shit . 10 rounds, dawg! That's it! I ain't no teenager no mo'! nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: Graycap23 said: lol.....I'm good for 15 rounds. See, you think this is the 80s and shit . 10 rounds, dawg! That's it! I ain't no teenager no mo'! I see your point. | |
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JackieBlue said: MuthaFunka said: Yeah, Saadiq was the first artist to come out against it (which is ironic since he's pretty much the godfather of the genre), then you started to see artists like Anthony Hamilton, Jaguar Wright come out against it. Jaguar even went as so far as to name her last CD "Divorcing Neo to Marry Soul". And the man that coined the phrase was the same cat behind bringing us D'Angelo and Bady - Kedar Massenburg. He originally called it "Neo Classic Soul" (It first appears on D'Angelo's "Brown Sugar" album) and then over time the "classic" was dropped. So the orifinal title tells you right there that it was meant to pay homage to the 60s/70s soul artists. This is interesting. My thing is, weren’t there always artists making soul music somewhere? What were people listening to prior to neo-soul? But I’m not a soul music expert so I can’t really say. I just didn’t understand why it had to be labeled neo-soul. Anyway, I wanted to see what Jaguar Wright’s issue was with it and found an old interview she did with VIBE. Here’s a piece of it and she even mentions Res: I love the title of your latest album Divorcing Neo 2 Marry Soul. Was your marriage to neo-soul willing, or were you pegged a neo soul artist? J.W.: Yeah, I was definitely pegged neo-soul. I disagreed with it as time went on and as the whole neo-soul brand got bigger. I started reading articles that would say, “neo-soul artist Faith Evans”, or, “Usher” – Faith and Usher are pop singers! My friend Res was labeled neo-soul and she’s alternative rock. So, I said, okay, this is the new nigger music! They found a way to just group us all together. Then I said, there’s no way to identify this thing and it’s strictly a marketing tool. Marketing is very important in the corporate world, but it still isn’t the basis for art. The truth is that I’m just a soul singer. There were artists making "Soul" music but it was more along the lines of R&B-blend, and there is a difference between the 2 sounds/genres. Kedar decided to promote D'Angelo as the first true Neo Classic Soul artist that TRULY got back to Soul music, and that's why it came to what it is now. And trust me, Jaguar's frontin'! I ran into her at a function in L.A. right after that album dropped and I "assholedly" yelled out, "So, how'd the divorce go? You make any money off it?" and she cut eyes at me like she was gonna kick my ass! Her SOLE reasoning to call her album that was to help her record sales because she, too, thought labeling her as Neo Soul was gonna kill her sales, because Neo Soul is no longer a "money-making" genre. Her album didn't do a damn thang, so the title of her album didn't matter. And I've NEVER heard anyone call Usher Neo Soul. Faith? On occasion.nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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Graycap23 said: MuthaFunka said: See, you think this is the 80s and shit . 10 rounds, dawg! That's it! I ain't no teenager no mo'! I see your point. And 50 ounce gloves, with no thumbs! nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: JackieBlue said: This is interesting. My thing is, weren’t there always artists making soul music somewhere? What were people listening to prior to neo-soul? But I’m not a soul music expert so I can’t really say. I just didn’t understand why it had to be labeled neo-soul. Anyway, I wanted to see what Jaguar Wright’s issue was with it and found an old interview she did with VIBE. Here’s a piece of it and she even mentions Res: I love the title of your latest album Divorcing Neo 2 Marry Soul. Was your marriage to neo-soul willing, or were you pegged a neo soul artist? J.W.: Yeah, I was definitely pegged neo-soul. I disagreed with it as time went on and as the whole neo-soul brand got bigger. I started reading articles that would say, “neo-soul artist Faith Evans”, or, “Usher” – Faith and Usher are pop singers! My friend Res was labeled neo-soul and she’s alternative rock. So, I said, okay, this is the new nigger music! They found a way to just group us all together. Then I said, there’s no way to identify this thing and it’s strictly a marketing tool. Marketing is very important in the corporate world, but it still isn’t the basis for art. The truth is that I’m just a soul singer. There were artists making "Soul" music but it was more along the lines of R&B-blend, and there is a difference between the 2 sounds/genres. Kedar decided to promote D'Angelo as the first true Neo Classic Soul artist that TRULY got back to Soul music, and that's why it came to what it is now. And trust me, Jaguar's frontin'! I ran into her at a function in L.A. right after that album dropped and I "assholedly" yelled out, "So, how'd the divorce go? You make any money off it?" and she cut eyes at me like she was gonna kick my ass! Her SOLE reasoning to call her album that was to help her record sales because she, too, thought labeling her as Neo Soul was gonna kill her sales, because Neo Soul is no longer a "money-making" genre. Her album didn't do a damn thang, so the title of her album didn't matter. And I've NEVER heard anyone call Usher Neo Soul. Faith? On occasion. @ Jaguar story. Well I never bought her album either altho i think she's talented.
Haven't heard much about Kedar lately. But I guess I'll take the neo-soul if Usher's not a part of it!  Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: MuthaFunka said: There were artists making "Soul" music but it was more along the lines of R&B-blend, and there is a difference between the 2 sounds/genres. Kedar decided to promote D'Angelo as the first true Neo Classic Soul artist that TRULY got back to Soul music, and that's why it came to what it is now. And trust me, Jaguar's frontin'! I ran into her at a function in L.A. right after that album dropped and I "assholedly" yelled out, "So, how'd the divorce go? You make any money off it?" and she cut eyes at me like she was gonna kick my ass! Her SOLE reasoning to call her album that was to help her record sales because she, too, thought labeling her as Neo Soul was gonna kill her sales, because Neo Soul is no longer a "money-making" genre. Her album didn't do a damn thang, so the title of her album didn't matter. And I've NEVER heard anyone call Usher Neo Soul. Faith? On occasion. @ Jaguar story. Well I never bought her album either altho i think she's talented.
Haven't heard much about Kedar lately. But I guess I'll take the neo-soul if Usher's not a part of it! Yeah, my date at the time said I was foul for "going there" with Jaguar and her album.
Kedar is still in the music game, he has a website, and he's launched a wine called K'orus. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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