i just gotta say, Bilal's Love For Sale, kills anything in this genre.

MuthaFunka said:

Intelligent Dance Music

novabrkr said:

Name a musical genre where the majority of the artists within that genre resisted that name of their genre.

Neosoul is the dumbest term of all time as it relates 2 music.

MuthaFunka said:

goth

magnificentsynthesizer said:

WTF is THAT?

Graycap23 said:

I agree, it's just a faddish type of title. R&B is the real title, and most of these artists are reverting back to being just labeled R&B artists, plain and simple.

MuthaFunka said:

the intro is kinda lenghty, but just wait.

magnificentsynthesizer said:

And it's REALLY called Intelligent Dance Music?

Yes, Neo Soul is alive and kickin' for those that TRULY know what's up.

The top 10:

1 - Brown Sugar - D'Angelo
2 - Baduizm - Badu
3 - Rahsaan Patterson - Rahsaan Patterson
4 - Urban Hang Suite - Maxwell
5 - Aijuswanaseing - Musiq
6 - First Born Second - Bilal
7 - Jill Scott: Words and Sounds Vol. 1 - Jill Scott
8 - The Colored Section - Donnie
9 - Where I Wanna Be - Donell Jones
10 - Van Hunt - Van Hunt

And Remy Shand is whom you're speaking of and his falsetto was so forced and tired that it wasn't even funny. Glad his ass is outta the game and I hope he stays that way.

sextonseven said:

Really? What did/do they have against the name?

Sisters Of Mercy Slag Bands For Being "Too Goth"

June 27 1997 [14:00 EDT] -- Goth-rock gloom-merchants The Sisters Of Mercy will play their first U.S. concert in six years this weekend at a festival dubbed Dark Harvest 3 in Philadelphia.

While the appearance of these goth pioneers might seem like a dark blessing, not everyone is happy about the Sisters' involvement in the concert. Two bands in particular, Sunshine Blind and The New Creatures, are especially steamed at Sisters frontman Andrew Eldritch.

The groups say Eldritch heard their music and booked each of them as opening acts for the festival sight unseen, and then dumped them after he spotted their pictures on the Internet and decided they looked, "too gothic."

So now drummer Tiger Kern of New Creatures is threatening to sue Eldritch over the dumping, claiming it's damaged his band's reputation.

The band's are also still reeling from Eldritch's parting comment about the two dismissed groups, saying that one might "put their heads on F'in' pikes for all I care."

Eldritch was unavailable for further comment.

http://www.mtv.com/news/a...tory.jhtml

MuthaFunka said:

well, that's what they're callin it.

i don't get it either.

this might give you a better idea as to what it is. http://www.idmforums.com/

it's just electronica to me.

MuthaFunka said:

Yes please

Gothic rock these days conjures up images of watered-down bands and fans in bad vampire clothes. If the term could somehow be restricted to the original innovators of the early 80s like Bauhaus, The Sisters Of Mercy, Alien Sex Fiend, etc., then no one would have a problem with it. Instead you get caricatures like Nosferatu carrying the goth flag. Andrew Eldritch of the Sisters Of Mercy, the biggest goth band ever, will spit on you if you call his band goth. He once got a supporting act kicked off a Sisters Of Mercy show because he thought they looked "too gothic".

From mtv.com:

magnificentsynthesizer said:

Aw wow! This is all just fuckin' hilarious.

MuthaFunka said:

goth

I'll go along with this neo-soul premise, but what is the dawn of the neo-soul era?

In rough chronological order:

Brand New Heavies -- Brother Sister
D'Angelo -- Brown Sugar
Maxwell -- Maxwell's Urban Hang Suite
Lewis Taylor -- Lewis Taylor
Jill Scott -- Who Is Jill Scott? Words and Sounds Vol. I
amel larreiux -- infinite possibilities
D'Angelo -- Voodoo
Erykah Badu -- Mama's Gun
Bilal -- 1st Born Second
Erykah Badu -- New Amerykah, Part 1

Artists whose albums were not considered because I don't consider them neo-soul or because I consider them to have pre-dated neo-soul (but I could be convinced otherwise):

Me'Shell Ndegeocello
Van Hunt
Jamiroquai
Res
Mint Condition

sextonseven said:

Goth was actually derogatory term that art/achitecture critics used to describe the art of that period, so i don't blame them.

I'll go along with this neo-soul premise, but what is the dawn of the neo-soul era?

In rough chronological order:

Brand New Heavies -- Brother Sister
D'Angelo -- Brown Sugar
Maxwell -- Maxwell's Urban Hang Suite
Lewis Taylor -- Lewis Taylor
Jill Scott -- Who Is Jill Scott? Words and Sounds Vol. I
amel larreiux -- infinite possibilities
D'Angelo -- Voodoo
Erykah Badu -- Mama's Gun
Bilal -- 1st Born Second
Erykah Badu -- New Amerykah, Part 1

Artists whose albums were not considered because I don't consider them neo-soul or because I consider them to have pre-dated neo-soul (but I could be convinced otherwise):

Me'Shell Ndegeocello
Van Hunt
Jamiroquai
Res
Mint Condition

Alej said:

I'll go along with this neo-soul premise, but what is the dawn of the neo-soul era?

In rough chronological order:

Brand New Heavies -- Brother Sister
Maxwell -- Maxwell's Urban Hang Suite
Jill Scott -- Who Is Jill Scott? Words and Sounds Vol. I
amel larreiux -- infinite possibilities
Erykah Badu -- Mama's Gun

Artists whose albums were not considered because I don't consider them neo-soul or because I consider them to have pre-dated neo-soul (but I could be convinced otherwise):

Me'Shell Ndegeocello
Van Hunt
Jamiroquai
Res
Mint Condition

I'll go along with this neo-soul premise, but what is the dawn of the neo-soul era?

In rough chronological order:

Brand New Heavies -- Brother Sister
D'Angelo -- Brown Sugar
Maxwell -- Maxwell's Urban Hang Suite
Lewis Taylor -- Lewis Taylor
Jill Scott -- Who Is Jill Scott? Words and Sounds Vol. I
amel larreiux -- infinite possibilities
D'Angelo -- Voodoo
Erykah Badu -- Mama's Gun
Bilal -- 1st Born Second
Erykah Badu -- New Amerykah, Part 1

Artists whose albums were not considered because I don't consider them neo-soul or because I consider them to have pre-dated neo-soul (but I could be convinced otherwise):

Me'Shell Ndegeocello
Van Hunt
Jamiroquai
Res
Mint Condition

but what is the dawn of the neo-soul era?

namepeace said:

I pretty much had all these artists/albums but weren't sure if they were neo-soul either.

Is Sade neo-soul? Cree Summer? Seal?

I was unsure so I gave up.

That's a pretty good list. I'm a little curious why you think Van Hunt predates neo-soul, though. Are you talking about "Hopeless" and everything else he did pre-debut?

I'll have to think about a top 10 list, but I can guarantee that Brown Sugar is #1 and Voodoo is #2.

namepeace said:

It's fine not to include Res as neo-soul, but she definitely does not predate it. Her self-titled was released in 2001.