boring, I'm so tired of stupid JD and I'm sure the public is too

I've realized more and more that he's hurting janet's career. Janet was never ghetto fab and it sounds like she's trying to be with surrounding herself around him, and people are missing out on the good songs she does have right now. I feel bad for her in the clips, she's nothing like them and all shy.

She's her own entity and doesn't need a troll like him to be all over her shit. Why isn't she with her dancers and it's all about her like in the old days?
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alphastreet said:

I have to agree with you. That fool brought her career DOWN. Janet needs to learn to depend on herself from now on.

Timmy84 said:

the problem is janet the whole Urban vibe isn't her.

The only person bringing Janet's career down is Janet.

I'm going to get a lot of heat for this, but he's too ghetto for her, meaning in a stereotypical way. I wouldn't have said that if she was with someone like eddie murphy, denzel washington, or heck even will smith. They are their own entities and would have continued doing so instead of jumping all over her shit like JD is doing. JD has accomplished a lot too in shit-hop, but he must not be famous enough or else he wouldn't be associating himself with janet more than he needs to, the way rappers and shit hoppers all can't do a track without 10 million producers and cameos all over the place.
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ehuffnsd said:

Yeah she's always been a pop artist. I don't know why her, JD and her record label doesn't see that. She signed with Def Scam too. The worst decision you can make at this point.

Timmy84 said:

Yeah i have said this for almost the last decade. You cannot alienate a whole part of your audience, especially the ones that accepted you most. Regardless of who's decision, it just was a bad one, and also the blaming the label for everything is "old", if its that much of a problem, dont sign, i mean you are JANET you've got the name, put the records out yourself if you are that "worried" about promo and respect.

lastdecember said:

Sorry, but Janet's had a more consistent track record at Urban and Rhythmic formats than she has at Pop. And, more importantly, a more consistent track record on the R&B charts than on the Hot 100. In terms of supporting her through the hard times, it's that audience.

Not a bad decision to sign with Def Jam considering their promotional machine. Janet did not update her own team, however.

The promotional strategies for Janet's album and Mariah's album (post-release) have been completely fucked. Totally wasted potential for both projects.
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VoicesCarry said:

Def Jam at this point has issues, the Mariah album and its promotion were bad call after bad call, the money wasted, the bad singles, i mean her second single was a bullet in the head. The sad part is that Mariahs latest was light freaking years better than Mimi by far, but the singles were terrible, the videos were like watching videos she has done 15-20 times already, and not to mention the $$ they wasted on promo, i mean lighting the empire state building? yeah that helped, who cared. I just think Def Jam is a timebomb at this point, it may throw out hits, but its also throwing money away and its not making it back. The biggest overall disappointment with Mariahs album, was the fact that worldwide, it didnt do anything close to what they hoped. As for Janet, there needs to be a total overhaul, in terms of alienation, im talking about her doing tracks with Nelly and MIssy, and i know her die hards are saying, what the fuck, screw the guests, do what you DID best.

lastdecember said:

For Mariah it's single selection that killed the project. She's barely doubled her opening week.

First 3 singles should have been:

1. Touch My Body
2. Migrate
3. I Stay In Love

For Janet, it's a case of poor planning. As badly mismanaged as the 20 Y.O. project was, if Feedback had been the lead single, I'm quite confident that it would have found more success. Call On Me was well-promoted, from the "The wait is over" advertisement to the buildup of anticipation for the promotional download on June 19th, 2006. A similar strategy worked to build hype for Mariah's "Touch My Body" and its radio debut. Call On Me really exploded at radio in the early days, but unfortunately the quality was just not there, at least for CHR/Pop. This is the kind of push Feedback needed, but didn't get. You don't just dump a single on the market in mid-December, just when radio is gearing up for Christmas and year-end countdowns. There was definitely a lot of friction with L.A. Janet went to dinner in NYC with him in early December, and she looked very upset when she left. Then the single leaked a few days later. The video was terrible, there were no performances until the album release week, and then there was the disagreement with L.A. over single #2. They should have sent Luv to all formats (it probably would have done well as a first single, too) but they fucked that up, too. There was no push overseas, either.
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i must be the only one who thinks the industry flops of the last three cds have nothing to do with how the albums were promoted or being with record labels although at this point she does not need one.

i just think her time has passed, everyone peaks. Once the jimmy, terry, janet team lost steam well.....

wonder505 said:

Well, Janet can still sell. Discipline opened at #1 and all her studio albums have opened in the Top 2.

It's a matter of supporting the album beyond the first week with the proper singles, videos and performances that determines where it goes from there.

I'm going to get a lot of heat for this, but he's too ghetto for her, meaning in a stereotypical way. I wouldn't have said that if she was with someone like eddie murphy, denzel washington, or heck even will smith. They are their own entities and would have continued doing so instead of jumping all over her shit like JD is doing. JD has accomplished a lot too in shit-hop, but he must not be famous enough or else he wouldn't be associating himself with janet more than he needs to, the way rappers and shit hoppers all can't do a track without 10 million producers and cameos all over the place.
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i must be the only one who thinks the industry flops of the last three cds have nothing to do with how the albums were promoted or being with record labels although at this point she does not need one.

i just think her time has passed, everyone peaks. Once the jimmy, terry, janet team lost steam well.....

You won't get heat from me, cuz I have thought the same thing - to myself, I say, "why come she got dis hood rat hangin' round her neck like a cheap gold chain?" coincidence that she hasn't really had much record sales since he started "producing" trax for her? I think not. But just in case ya need a comparison:

Janet's sales before JD - 20+ million
Janest sales after JD - 2 million

Need we say more?

alphastreet said:

lastdecember said:

For Mariah it's single selection that killed the project. She's barely doubled her opening week.

First 3 singles should have been:

1. Touch My Body
2. Migrate
3. I Stay In Love

For Janet, it's a case of poor planning. As badly mismanaged as the 20 Y.O. project was, if Feedback had been the lead single, I'm quite confident that it would have found more success. Call On Me was well-promoted, from the "The wait is over" advertisement to the buildup of anticipation for the promotional download on June 19th, 2006. A similar strategy worked to build hype for Mariah's "Touch My Body" and its radio debut. Call On Me really exploded at radio in the early days, but unfortunately the quality was just not there, at least for CHR/Pop. This is the kind of push Feedback needed, but didn't get. You don't just dump a single on the market in mid-December, just when radio is gearing up for Christmas and year-end countdowns. There was definitely a lot of friction with L.A. Janet went to dinner in NYC with him in early December, and she looked very upset when she left. Then the single leaked a few days later. The video was terrible, there were no performances until the album release week, and then there was the disagreement with L.A. over single #2. They should have sent Luv to all formats (it probably would have done well as a first single, too) but they fucked that up, too. There was no push overseas, either.
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