Annika said:

And here is the answer! Thanks for summing it up for us


I mean, in all honesty...I love Luther for example (everybody loves him)...we could discuss his brilliance (as we have before) or we could over-analyze Amy "Trainwreck" Winehouse's latest mishap

the fact that I'd rather hear some dirt on Amy bears no reflection on my actual musical taste or preferance

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[Edited 7/17/08 23:13pm]

lowkey said:

A soul group, released one single called 'All I Want Is You' in '78

I do believe I started a thread similar to this a while back.


http://prince.org/msg/8/271786

purplecam said:

I never understood that myself. It's like, I'm not a fan of 50 Cent so why the hell would I even bother posting on a forum of his? And yes, he may be a popular artist (like Prince), but what would I as a non-fan want to do with him like join his discussion forum?

But then there's those here in orgland that were Prince fans at one time, but for one reason or another, lil' man just did something to make them hate him. But they'd be willing to stay in orgland since that's where they've made friends and networked and stuff. That's a bit more logical to me.

Prince fans are a diverse bunch. If you like soul and funk, you can like P. If you like rock guitarists you can like P. If you like great songwriting you can like P. If you're a bored MJ fan who wants something to fill in the downtime, then P's good for that too. If you like effeminate pretty boys then he'll do for that as well, and if you're a fan of mainstream '80s pop, then you'll quite possibly find your way to him from that direction also.

So although P fans are generally more sophisticated than most other fanbases, being a P fan does not necessarily mean you know any more than the average Joe, since as I've said, people can get into him for a variety of reasons.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Lawd, lawd.....

Thing is, you can usually tell by the title of a thread what and who it is going to be about.....if it is of a subject or person you are not interested in, simply do not go there....

I have learned a lot since tA introduced me to this site....and I guess it is all relative whether or not a thread "bombs"....just because it may not have hundreds of replies associated with it, it does not meant that those participating did not glean knowledge and insight.

And how does one measure sophistication, anyway? Isn't it all a matter of opinion? What I find sophisticated, others may not.....and vice versa.....

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Wow, thanks!
[Edited 7/18/08 7:02am]

JackieBlue said:

Please do, we'll be happy to have ya at P:M&M! Don't be afraid of the cliques, just do you and keep it moving! I've been doing it for 9 years so I'm a pro at it!

pop music means "popular" music. of course "pop" artists are going to garner more discussion than, say, miles davis. miles's audience is more exclusive, no surprise there.

my question is...why does the popularity of a thread affect you? can't you enjoy a discussion of your choice of artists regardless of how many people join you? and if nobody joins you, maybe you should try those discussions on a website catered more to those styles of music? i mean, you know what's going on in here...you've been complaining about it for years.

errant said:

i think you're on to a good point.

i think prince has two camps of fans - the ones who are attracted to him as a pop icon, and the ones who are attracted to him as a prolific musician.

now, that's not to say there's not some overlap between the two camps, and that there may not be some other camps out there in the margins.

but you have the musicheads who recognize prince's influences and who he's influenced, and enjoy him from that vantage point.

then you have the folks who lump him in the same group as madonna, michael, janet, mariah, etc., because, well...whether prince likes it or not, he's a mainstream pop music artist.

i still maintain that there are as many folks on the org in one camp as there are in the other (and there are some folks who dabble in both camps), though i do believe that for whatever reason (coughcoughmantronikcoughcough), one group manages to be WAY more aggressively vocal than the other. doesn't validate one camp or invalidate the other. it's just another of this site's lovely little quirks.

Anxiety said:

Great point there Anx. I am in both camps. I saw him first as a pop icon then as I got older, I discovered how incredible a musician he is. If it wasn't for Prince, I wouldn't have gotten into a lot of the music that is discussed in this section and I'm gratful that he's still around, pop icon or prolific musician, to still do what he does. Hopefully, future musicians and pop stars who are worth a damn will learn from this man.

Anxiety said:

Great point. And on top of that, let's face it, a lot of people have been here a long time and have already exhausted whatever they had to say about artists X Y and Z and their musical merits years ago.

I mean, I really enjoy a thorough documentary a la PBS' American Masters. But I also enjoy things like Best Week Ever. A lot of us are in Best Week Ever mode these days, as pertains to the effort we put into discussing music here.

errant said:

i know this place well enough to save the sonic youth song lyric deconstruction threads for rateyourmusic.com, and to keep it light and quirky over here. that doesn't mean i might not test the waters every now and then and post a thread about some weirdo transgressive edgy thing that i'm into at the moment, but those threads religiously sink like stones, so i'm back to starting threads about courtney love in a shopping cart the next day.

What u need to do is get your mind out the gutter because you will NOT find any other thread where these types of posts are even in the know...unless u go to detroitsoul.com or something. And I have seen plenty of times where Chaka and Stevie threads reach the 2 or 3 page mark.

paisleypark4 said:

I have too, especially with Stevie.

The fickle, "bandwagon" fans make up the majority of most fanbases.
The diehard or in P's case "sophisticated" fans make up his core base. I don't see why those core people are surprised when those bandwagon fans like other popular stars.

The lack of pretense on this forum is quite refreshing, Go to a forum where they only talk about "sophisticated music" and you will want gorge your eyes out . There is very little judgment of musical tastes on here, and if those tastes are attacked, there is always someone to defend them. We have fun on here. I can't say that for some of the other boards who take their music "seriously".


Side note:I don't see how MJ's music is any less sophisticated than Chaka khans Is her wane in popularity and the fact that Prince worked with her give her some musical sophistication beyond Michael Jackson's catalog of work.

lowkey said:

at that

lilgish said:

I no, cuz I will fall asleep on half the stuff some say is good

It's been my experience that the org is a microchosm of the world, and unfortunately, it's always the minority that actually cares about what they say. Yes, keeping it "light and fluffy" with some sillyness is good, but not too much, IMO.

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

I think nearly as many people will comment on a thread about a good musician, but threads about Mike, Madge, Janet, MAria, always seem to turn into huge arguments. 500 reponses, but often between three people.

Miles Davis threads go something like this:

"Bitches Brew: Great Album!!"

lowkey said:

Then I'm a bit confused about which "group" I belong to, since the very few times I make threads about "obscure" artists I make them about artists that I've been listening to for at least a few days, not just name-dropping a "myspace artist" I just discovered.
And besides, artists that might be considered "obscure" in the US might be popular in the UK or the Nordic countries or in German speaking countries etc .....

purplehippieonthe1 said:

there are basically two groups.

there are those who like madonna/janet/mariah/kylie

and then there's the rest of the org

NWF said:

you'd be suprised how people stumble onto sites, i have no problem saying i am not a price fan,i own 3 prince albums and like a few of his singles but i personally find him boring, however this site is pretty cool. i found this org when i typed in the name of another artist, there was a thread about that artist on here and thats how i found the org, i checked it out and liked it so i decided to stay. i only post in the non-prince section and since i've been here i've hardly seen any prince threads posted in this section.i bet you that the majority of the people that only post in the non-prince section are not these huge prince fans.

vainandy said:

Incense and Candles is shit hop? That's a slamming ass ballad. I don't
see where this song relates to shit hop. Chelsea Rodgers was corny as hell to
me. The 3121 album was the shit. Planet Earth just didn't work for me. The only
time i will say prince sold out to shit hop somewhat is on a portion of the
diamond and pearls album when he had that corny ass rapper tony i believe is
his name rap on a few of the songs.

Incense and Candles is shit hop? That's a slamming ass ballad. I don't
see where this song relates to shit hop. Chelsea Rodgers was corny as hell to
me. The 3121 album was the shit. Planet Earth just didn't work for me. The only
time i will say prince sold out to shit hop somewhat is on a portion of the
diamond and pearls album when he had that corny ass rapper tony i believe is
his name rap on a few of the songs.

YOU HAVE A POINT!!

you definatly have a point

FuNkeNsteiN said:

I don't know why, but I fully laughed at this post.


Probably because its true.

lowkey said:

I think you'll find the vast majority of us are big P fans. I personally don't post much in the P:M&M forum, but P is my all time favorite artist. There are many of us who don't post much there, but are still big fans.

phunkdaddy said:

Incense and Candles is jazzy and sweet IMHO.

DANGEROUSx said: