Updates from the yawn factory:

1. Madonna's a bitch supreme, with cunty frosting.
2. Madonna's voice is mediocre, and Nikki Harris is a better singer.

What shocking bombs will Chrissy drop next? Madonna fucked to get ahead? Madonna's relationship with Sean Penn was tumultuous? A Certain Sacrifice was not exactly an Oscar winner? Madonna's British accent is fake?
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Madonna studied voice for Evita.
In the Secret documentary, she is shown going to her voice teacher.
The Madonna haters and Chris conveniently ignore facts that don't suit their negative views of her.

If he really loved his sister, he wouldn't be writing a tell all book like this. Tell all books are always written out of revenge when you want to hurt someone.

Maybe - but we are not all the waltons. He has been seriously cut off and love can manifest itself in some funny ways. Especially a love that's been hurt / damaged.

I don't feel sorry for Madonna but I do feel sorry for her children. They are bound to hear about it one way or another. But then I feel sorry for them coming into contact with some of the stuff Madonna has created for them. She may ban the TV in her house but one day they will have their own TV and she has done alot to make her children cringe.

Maybe Madonna doesn't have the widest range, but her voice has a very appealing tone. She can definitely sing, although not in the Mariah Carey/American Idol way that is considered a great singer these days.
If she really couldn't sing, she wouldn't be succcessful all these years.

newpowerhippies said:

What has Madonna done that is so terrible? She did a naked cofee table book. Are you saying that sex is dirty and wrong and her kids should be ashamed of sexuality? I'm sure she will share that with them when they are old enough to understand. She also has done a lot as far as great songs and performances to make them proud.
What I see is Chris expected to get everything from his sister. I have to wonder if he had any friends or lovers. He expected more than anyone could ever give. No matter what she did for him or gave him it would never be enough. You can't build your life around one person. No one person can fulfill all your emotional and financial needs.

About the Girlie Show:

"Her moves are, indeed, terrific. Her voice, however, is another matter. My sister's unwillingness to submit to the drudgery of regular singing lessons is a by-product of the supreme self-confidence with which she was born."

"Niki Harris has a better voice than Madonna. Her voice is fully trained, and Madonna fights to keep her at bay because Niki is fully capable of drowning her out and often does. When that happens, Madonna sometimes orders Niki's mike to be switched off. Once or twice, Madonna has even raised the possibility of firing Niki. Not that she would ever do it herself...she is utterly terrified of confrontation, avoids it at all costs, can never bring herself to fire anyone face-to-face, and always delegates that task to one of her minions, usually me."

two years ago, i was in my hometown in southwestern MI. i hadn't seen the place in nearly 30(!) years, and it's designated an economic development zone now because it's so run down and desolate. one of the things going on the weekend i was there was a free concert by nikki harris. she was also born there. i didn't know this, but apparently her father was a fairly well-known successful musician and he had started these concerts awhile back to uplift the community. when he passed, nikki took up doing them when she could.

i was pretty blown away. she was great, doing everything thing from standards to jazz to motown. i knew she was madonna's backup singer, and that concert made me wonder why. moreover, she didn't come across as the slightly "ghetto" person i remembered from truth or dare. maybe it was age, but she was much more confident and self-assured and...i don't know what the word is.

it reminded me, though, of a comment i read by a poster on another site about one of the dancers in the movie (the black guy in bed with madonna in one scene). it seems this dancer was really a rather reserved, serious and studious man who taught dance, but in the movie he was behaving like he wasn't that educated (in the words of the poster who had taken his class.)

those two examples made me wonder if nikki and this guy felt that had to behave conform to a "black" stereotype on a certain level that didn't upstage madonna or that made her feel comfortable in her superiority trip ('cause she definitely was on one in that film.)

maybe they just wanted to get paid and did what they had to do. but i've always wondered about nikki's career choices after seeing her.
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I've made this point several times before. Madonna has never respected the craft of singing or acting yet feels she is entitled to be successful in these fields. We all know she craved to be a successful actress, yet the idea of actually LEARNING TO ACT seems to have never occurred to her. She just seemed to think she was divinely entitled to conquer the movie world, without putting any effort into EARNING THE RIGHT.

The same goes for her singing. With a voice as weak as hers, she should've been working to improve, but she seems to have felt lessons were beneath her. She only took lessons when she was forced to on Dick Tracy or Evita. Since then she may well have started lessons to get her in shape for tours, but she should have been doing that non stop from the start.

midnightmover said:

That is totally ridiculous. Madonna has studied acting. Her performance in Dangerous Game was decent. I'm not a fan of her acting,but she did study. Perhaps she didn't have the natural ability to act. You can study a lot but if you don't the natural talent for acting you will only go so far. It doesn't mean she didn't try to respect the craft of acting.
If you actually bothered to listen to Madonna's records and tours over the years, you will see that her voice has improved and grown a lot. But of course, you just mindlessly hate her. I seriously doubt you ever bother to listen to her.
In fact, there are many singers who have never taken a singing lesson in their life. Are they disrespcting their craft? Madonna has put a lot more effort into improving her voice than the vast majority of singers out there. Most artists sound either the same as when they first started (Janet) or worse (Mariah Carey) whereas Madonna has improved and grown so much as a singer.
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midnightmover said:

That is totally ridiculous. Madonna has studied acting. Her performance in Dangerous Game was decent. I'm not a fan of her acting,but she did study. Perhaps she didn't have the natural ability to act. You can study a lot but if you don't the natural talent for acting you will only go so far. It doesn't mean she didn't try to respect the craft of acting.
If you actually bothered to listen to Madonna's records and tours over the years, you will see that her voice has improved and grown a lot. But of course, you just mindlessly hate her. I seriously doubt you ever bother to listen to her.
In fact, there are many singers who have never taken a singing lesson in their life. Are they disrespcting their craft? Madonna has put a lot more effort into improving her voice than the vast majority of singers out there. Most artists sound either the same as when they first started (Janet) or worse (Mariah Carey) whereas Madonna has improved and grown so much as a singer.
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Glindathegood said:

Stop lying. Madonna has not studied acting. Her first manager tried and tried to get Madonna to study acting, and managed to get her to take a few lessons, but Madonna didn't have the patience for it. The acting coach spoke later about how lazy Madonna was when it came to studying the craft. Please do not make claims you can't back up. It's a mystery to me why so many people lie on behalf of their idols.

And your comments about Madonna's singing show that you have spent far too much time talking to other Madonna fans. Contrary to what you guys tell each other (and what Madonna tells you) Madonna's voice over the years changed, but it certainly did not improve. Compare her vocals on the Virgin tour (1985) with the Drowned World Tour (2001) and if anything they were better in '85. There is no technical improvement in her singing, just a change in the accent she uses. And in recent years her singing has reached an all time low. Most of her fans admit that her voice has never been worse than it is at the moment.

And you're right, many singers have never had singing lessons, but that's because THEY CAN ALREADY SING. Madonna is not in that category so she should have been taking them from the start, but she wasn't, as her brother has confirmed (or are you accusing him of lying?).

Stop lying. Madonna has not studied acting. Her first manager tried and tried to get Madonna to study acting, and managed to get her to take a few lessons, but Madonna didn't have the patience for it. The acting coach spoke later about how lazy Madonna was when it came to studying the craft. Please do not make claims you can't back up. It's a mystery to me why so many people lie on behalf of their idols.

And your comments about Madonna's singing show that you have spent far too much time talking to other Madonna fans. Contrary to what you guys tell each other (and what Madonna tells you) Madonna's voice over the years changed, but it certainly did not improve. Compare her vocals on the Virgin tour (1985) with the Drowned World Tour (2001) and if anything they were better in '85. There is no technical improvement in her singing, just a change in the accent she uses. And in recent years her singing has reached an all time low. Most of her fans admit that her voice has never been worse than it is at the moment.

And you're right, many singers have never had singing lessons, but that's because THEY CAN ALREADY SING. Madonna is not in that category so she should have been taking them from the start, but she wasn't, as her brother has confirmed (or are you accusing him of lying?).

She did take lessons later on for her movies such as Evita and Dangerous Game.

I believe her brother mentioned something about her not taking lessons was around Blonde Ambition.

midnightmover said:

You're the one that's lying because you hate her so much. She did take lessons later on for her movies such as Evita and Dangerous Game. One thing Madonna is not is lazy. She is one the most disciplined performers ever. Anyone who has worked with her would tell you that.

Many writers have commented on the improvement in her voice. You just see it because you irrationally hate her. I believe her brother mentioned something about her not taking lessons was around Blonde Ambition. She did study voice around Evita and she is shown visting a voice teacher in her Secret documentary. So you are liar.

You really need some kind of therapy for your irrational hatred for her. I can't think of a single artist that I hate so much that I would constantly go into threads attacking them non-stop. Like I said it is not healthy to have so much animosity for another human being. You will probably suffer a heart attack and die soon for holding so much hatred in your heart.

Glindathegood said:

Unfortunately,whenever midnightmover tries to discuss one of his favorite artists (Cyndi Lauper,Bob Dylan),the threads bomb faster than you can say "vogue" That's why he spends his time discussing Madonna.Nobody wants to talk about the artists that he really admires.The Material Girl wins again,lol.

and btw,does it really matter what Christopher thinks? Considering everything that Madonna has accomplished (numerous awards,a $600 million fortune,record-breaking tours,the type of career longevity that most artists would kill for),I don't think she needs any kind of "lessons" at all

SoulAlive said:

You are the perfect Madonna fan. Your post embodies the entire philosophy in a nutshell. "She's making millions, selling millions so who cares about all that boring talent stuff? You go, girl!"

midnightmover said:

Madonna will never be Patti LaBelle or Aretha Franklin,no matter how many singing lessons she takes.The public obviously likes her just the way she is,considering how many records she has sold and how many concert tickets she sells.

SoulAlive said:

Yes, and that's all that matters. Success makes everything okay.