I got a big ol yawn from reading that.

midnightmover said:

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Co-Sign so far he is not saying anything anyone could not figure out on their own. I find it interesting that all of the Maddonna fans her defending her and down on gossip books like this when a lot of you think some of the books written about P are the shit. A particular one by a certain lawyer come to mind.

laurarichardson said:

I'm more of a casual fan of Prince and his 80's work. So I am not aware of any tell all books that have been written about him and so I haven't praised them. I don't really care about an artist's personal life that much. It seems to me the media always focuses on Madonna's personal life and her alleged horrible bitchy personality. Look at all the press her brother's book is getting. For the most part, I don't think the media has focused very much on Prince's personal life or what he's like as a person. If anyone did dish dirt on Prince for the money like Madonna's brother is doing, I certainly wouldn't support that.

Glindathegood said:

Ummmmm. I am a gay man who likes hanging out in sports bars . . . . . I'm sure there are plenty, it's just that in a sports bar there are other things to talk about.

midnightmover said:

Uh-oh. I love to read and I cannot stand bad writing. J.K. Rowlings last two books were the last bad writing I forced myself to go through.
Not sure I could do it here.
Thanx for the warning.

CrozzaUK said:

Did you really?
I've always assumed she did as soon as she hit NYC.

laurarichardson said:

Preach Laura cause that's the damn truth right there.

purplecam said:

Really? Who in this thread that's "defending Madonna" said books about Prince "are the shit?"

RipHer2Shreds said:

No one at all. I always defend Madonna, but I didn't even know there were any tell all books about Prince. What did they say about him?

superspaceboy said:

I kinda did too. It's got that feel of a book that was badly ghostwritten. The subject talks to the ghostwriter, who transcribes it, the lawyers vet it and muck it up even more, and the editor just wants to sell books and doesn't do his/her job very well. It creates a very stilted, distanced reading experience.

RipHer2Shreds said:

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Maybe you need to go back to the begining of the thread. Some people think Chris is ungratful,greedy and a big old dope head at least some people think that not all.

In addtion, while no one in this thread has said anything about Prince. I know many people on this board picked up some of the books on P because they have been discussed many times on this board.

No one on those threads had a problem with complete strangers and former employees gossiping about P but Maddonna's brother is full of shit.

I would beliveve something a family member had to say before former employees.

laurarichardson said:

I don't think anyone here doubts that there's some validity to what he's saying. The motivation behind the book is greed, and it's written to fuel his drug and alcohol addiction. His employer - Madonna, his sister - fired him, and now he has no dough. Everyone knows Madonna's a conniving and controlling, so nothing he's writing is news to anybody. There's clearly an agenda behind what he's writing. Why else sell out your sister? I don't think anybody in this thread is defending Madonna, but clearly in the snippet he comes across as bitter.

And he can't write for shit, not even with the help of another writer.

But your argument that her fans are defending her and "a lot of you think some of the books written about P are the shit" (meaning the fans who are supposedly defending her) has no validity. I'm sure people were scooping up whatever Prince book you're referring to, but it doesn't hold water in your argument about this book. Two separate things.

can you download it somewhere????

RipHer2Shreds said:

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We will have to agree to disagree.

Cinnie said:

Pretty much. It's standard practice to make it more alive, involving the reader in what's going on.

Newspaper article--sure put everything in past tense.
Memoir--much, much better in the present, in the Now.

Matronik said:

Oh good grief.

It burns his fingers.

And he wouldn't even pay the price of his own tuxedo rental? That's very cheap by anyone's standards.

Madonna must be livid, after all her protecting her privacy about the details of her wedding and the confidentiality agreements, then her brother goes and spills the beans all over the place..

I'm def getting this book on the way home!!

can you download it anywhere allready??

laurarichardson said:

I've defended Madonna on here but I've never said one word about any book about Prince. In fact, I didn't even know there were tell all books written about Prince by his former employees. But if I knew about them, I'd be 100% against them. I'm against the very idea of a tell all book gossiping about someone's personal life. I think it's sleazy and a cheap way to cash in instead of doing something creative and talented in your own right.

Glindathegood said:

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I'd be 100% against them. Good because you would be in the minority on this board when those P books were published people on this board were salivating

I like tell all-books. What was written in the Prince ones??

Barbara07 said:

As much as I enjoy her at this particular stage of her life, you know what? Fuck Madonna.

I don't believe he should have paid his own rental. That's her own fault for blurring the boundaries between his business responsibilities and his familial responsibilities. Paying that rental was the least she could do. She shafted him enough financially as it is. I don't care if they were siblings or not, or perhaps that was the problem to begin with. I can think of a zillion scenarios where powerful clients for whatever reason, use the fuck out of their employees and are always leaving them in the lurch, so I have no sympathy for Madge in this. I understand this was a wedding and a family member, and yes the lines are pretty muddled because of personal history. But having the NERVE to shaft someone on a job with an amount due on an invoice, then pay the balance with a fucking airplane TICKET? And not even give the person the choice what the ticket is for and what destination? What the fuck is THAT? That doesn't even REMOTELY happen in the professional world. Clients get SUED for that kind of shit. The idea someone would do that to a FAMILY MEMBER only adds insult to injury

To begin with you do not pay an invoice with anything but DOUGH, unless there are trade conditions previously agreed upon by both parties, period. Second, the fact that she coerced him into going to that wedding in the in any event, I don't see why she would try to pass the rental bill off on him, simply out of principle...otherwise, being that she closed an invoice by making him attend that wedding, it's almost like he was in attendance as an employee instead of a sibling. The way I see it is that if you settle an account giving the person you hired no choice for remittance other than to attend one of your events, then I'm sorry, but you've basically just put them "on the clock" ...and news-fa-LASH...in the fine and creative arts, when you are on the clock, and you have to go to a "location" to perform your duties, from the moment you step outside of the fucking door, en route, get to the gig, do your time, and get back to your front door, THIS IS ON THE CLIENT's DIME, except for incidentals.

...and don't give me that bullshit that he should have been more understanding because that's his sister. There was nothing sisterly about the way she settled her bill for the services he rendered. I'm with Laura and SCNDLS on this one, I don't think the man's criticism of his sister is completely unwarranted..

...that's still ma girl, though ...and yes I think the book would actually make good beach reading...although I'll be waiting until I can get it used on Amazon

Ottensen said:

You're absolutely right. I'm an independent consultant and there's no way that a client could pull a stunt like this. If he has a drug problem that she doesn't want to subsidize, fine, don't hire him to work for you. But lack of professionalism aside. the fact that she did this to a family member and has hundreds of millions of dollars is the killin' part to me. But that's aight, cuz you reap what you sow.

Ottensen said:

Family business are rarely ran like normal cooperations.

ehuffnsd said:

Madonna should be professional.

When we hire someone for an event, we pay all costs associated with that event, i.e. tux rental, courier, parking, etc.

VoicesCarry said:

Unless you're Starr Jones, but that's another thread.

VoicesCarry said:

i have a feeling she is to everyone but her brother, sadly.

ehuffnsd said:

Maybe in YOUR universe, partner . However, I've seen families work together in fashion, music, design, and production with nothing less than the utmost professionalism involved. I'm not saying that some families don't get it right, but I do think the term "rarely" is a stretch . That being said, this isn't even about a family business per say, this is about Madonna being a client (be it as a home owner in need of interior design, or as the sole proprietor of her OWN business needing whatever else), and her brother as a sub-contractor who rendered services and didn't get paid.

... and if she's not trying to run her metaphorical "family business" professionally as corporations do, then by the same token she should be the last person attempting to bill a tux rental to her brother for a wedding he wouldn't have come to had she not forced him.

I'll say it again, fuck Madonna. Although that's still ma girl

SCNDLS said:

Ottensen said:

some of my mom's family owns various commerical farms, mostly her cousins on her mother's side, and most of them aren't treated the same as their employees. for instance they don't have to follow the same child labor laws when their own children are involved.