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Thread started 07/06/08 3:45pm

midnightmover

No, this is not "Billie Jean", it's the sound of a bird having it's wings clipped

Cyndi's career is a very good example of industry forces stifling a great talent. She's just made a dance album because Sony thought it was a good idea (although she won't admit that), and in 1989 she made the A Night To Remember album with the same company putting a metaphorical gun to her head, and telling her to make a safe album working with all the standard hitmakers of the day. The result was an album that had almost no trace of her personality on it. This song blatantly takes it's groove from "Billie Jean", but is nowhere near as good.

Sad thing is, this album was her last mainstream one. It's no wonder she's so underestimated if this is people's last memory of her. On the plus side, she has great hair here (I think she looked her best in 1989), and redeems the song with a good performance. smile So anyway, sit back and watch a giant crouching down low. Very low.

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Reply #1 posted 07/06/08 4:31pm

EccentricLady

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This is truly a great performance from her. Thank you for sharing , midnightmover! biggrin
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Reply #2 posted 07/06/08 4:41pm

alphastreet

Sounds like billie jean from the Bad tour in Yokahoma
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Reply #3 posted 07/09/08 10:02am

midnightmover

This concert was fucking huge. The whole thing is up on Youtube. Looks like at least 90,000 people there. Damn. Check out this GJWHF with a reggae section at the end and a snippet of "He's a Rebel" with a lesbian lyric change. lol

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Reply #4 posted 07/09/08 12:16pm

RipHer2Shreds

Good song! She was in town summer of 1989 promoting this album and the radio station was taking calls for her. I talked with her for a few minutes, and she was just about the sweetest thing. I was 16 at the time so asked her dumb shit like why her hair wasn't orange anymore. lol I'm sure she'd been asked that a bajillion times, and she just said she got tired of it.

I told her I loved the album and I Drove All Night and she said, "Well thank you. You're just the sweetest thing."
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Reply #5 posted 07/09/08 12:33pm

midnightmover

RipHer2Shreds said:

Good song! She was in town summer of 1989 promoting this album and the radio station was taking calls for her. I talked with her for a few minutes, and she was just about the sweetest thing. I was 16 at the time so asked her dumb shit like why her hair wasn't orange anymore. lol I'm sure she'd been asked that a bajillion times, and she just said she got tired of it.

I told her I loved the album and I Drove All Night and she said, "Well thank you. You're just the sweetest thing."

eek You bastard! You spoke to Cyndi! Just kidding. You're lucky.

The album sucked though, and this song is very average. It's much better in this performance because of the live band and the cool look of the thing, but really this was a bad time for her. Cyndi herself doesn't have anything good to say about that album now. It wasn't really her.
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Reply #6 posted 07/09/08 12:54pm

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If we could ever somehow manage to loose the hold that money has on the music biz, that's when we'll have more music with personality. Either that, or more people will continue to go to indie labels.
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Reply #7 posted 07/09/08 2:53pm

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RipHer2Shreds said:

Good song! She was in town summer of 1989 promoting this album and the radio station was taking calls for her. I talked with her for a few minutes, and she was just about the sweetest thing. I was 16 at the time so asked her dumb shit like why her hair wasn't orange anymore. lol I'm sure she'd been asked that a bajillion times, and she just said she got tired of it.

I told her I loved the album and I Drove All Night and she said, "Well thank you. You're just the sweetest thing."





I met Cyndi on the corner of 72nd and Bway here in NYC.. I was with one of my homies and she walked right pass us and i said do you know who that was ? and he was like who ? I said that was Cyndi Lauper and he was like no it wasn't, so we ran ahead of her and turned around to walk pass her again and she called us on it.... She was like you guys are not fooling anybody and she smiled and said hello asked our names and said it was nice to meeet us biggrin
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Reply #8 posted 07/09/08 5:20pm

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midnightmover said:

Sad thing is, this album was her last mainstream one.


I thought this one was:

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Reply #9 posted 07/10/08 8:23am

midnightmover

Cinnie said:

midnightmover said:

Sad thing is, this album was her last mainstream one.


I thought this one was:


That album didn't even make the Top 100 in America. I never even heard about it at the time. By that point Sony wasn't pushing her with any enthusiasm.
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Reply #10 posted 07/10/08 9:06am

Cinnie

midnightmover said:

Cinnie said:



I thought this one was:


That album didn't even make the Top 100 in America. I never even heard about it at the time. By that point Sony wasn't pushing her with any enthusiasm.



Her performance on David Letterman at the time really struck a chord with me. She did "That's What I Think".
That seems to be as much promotion as most artists would get nowadays, eh?
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Reply #11 posted 07/10/08 12:58pm

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Cinnie said:

midnightmover said:

Sad thing is, this album was her last mainstream one.


I thought this one was:




THAT'S a GREAT album! but what the hell is she singing on the clip? she sounds dreadful.
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Reply #12 posted 07/11/08 4:33am

midnightmover

Milty said:

Cinnie said:



I thought this one was:




THAT'S a GREAT album! but what the hell is she singing on the clip? she sounds dreadful.

Hat Full of Stars is definitely a classic. nod

As for the song in the clip you're better off not knowing. It's called "Primitive" and it's from her A Night To Remember album. If you want to envision the album just think of every typical cliche of the time, put it together and hey presto! There's the album. Dianne Warren song? Check. Steinberg-McKelly song? Check. Tacky synthesizers? Check. Cute love lyrics? Check. It's all there, with nothing to disturb the atmosphere of averageness.

As for why she's singing so weird in the verses here, my guess is she was just trying to be avant garde to make this generic song more interesting.
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