Graycap23 said:

Cap..u the homie and all...but u are full of shit...lol..all those things you mentioned are connected to an acts impact...Just like vocal and performance impact...U talking in circles on this one...
[Edited 6/26/08 13:13pm]

Graycap23 said:

You DO realize you pretty much made yourself discreditable in this discussion, right?
[Edited 6/28/08 22:30pm]

murph said:[quote]

Graycap23 said:

double post...my bad...
[Edited 6/26/08 13:12pm]

murph said:[quote]

murph said:

I doubt he'd deny that a great singer is a musician, I think he's denying that they're important singers (Madonna, too, except for her popularity)

Sorry to speak for gray (esp if I'm not reading him right), but musicianship can refer to singers, too.

NDRU said:

Indeed.

Like I said, they cheapened music and made a model for even cheaper music/artists down the line.

People compare them to J5, but even though they were munchkins, they were making solid music. Baby Mike was singing like a grown ass man and when they did covers...sheeeeyut

The only way NE could come close is if they had Joseph's magical ass whuppins to get their voices and steps in shape as well as an even fruitier frontman with a good foot and maybe Quincy, Berry, and Berry's daughter's sweet sweet a...

murph said:

Lol.....everyone see things differently. Any club that has Madonna on the same level as Prince can't be seen is a serious way. At least NOT by me.

NDRU said:

Correct.

Graycap23 said:

Saying that Miles Davis was more influential than Charlie Parker is seeing thing differently...

But saying that impact matters little in someone's legacy whether they are Prince or Madonna or Rakim is just making shit up to back up a particular argument...

An impact can be many things--from artistic to musically cultural...Like I said, u don't have to like an artist to acknowledge their impact...To do so is silly...
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LittleAmy said:

These lil Hollywood shows, HOF's and such don't mean much unless u dig a particular artist, right? All that I'm saying is, unless I listen 2 an artist, I could care less if they had been inducted in the Hall of Fame. Most of the acts I LOVE probably are not in the Hall.

Slave
Ohio Players
One Way
Confunksion
Barkay's
Mint Condition (not eligible)
.....

Graycap23 said:

I love all of those acts...Especially OP...They are so underrated that it aint even funny...

murph said:

Did u READ my post. I did know know that impact was a key criteria. I'll bet cash money that Madonna would NOT be in with the MTV aid of video.

Graycap23 said:

Hell I could add 20 more names 2 this list but I hope u get my point.
This is just plain silly:
What's wrong with this list?
P-Funk
James Brown
Prince
Little Richard
.....and Madonna.

P L E A S E

Look, the members of NE with a couple exceptions could barely sing.

Someone else came up with their personas, gear, steps, and songs, which for the most part were crap.

As an act they added nothing. They pushed music and performance deeper into the ground. They rode the wave of New Jack Shit which was anti soul fused with gospel stereotypes and shit hop.

They came and went like Cross Colors, boxes, and singing with your shirt half off while wiggling your index finger at some random horny ass tWeen. They meant as much as head from a skank at a party.

Murph,
Who would u rather hear?
Anita Baker
Phyllis Hyman
Sade
Martha Washington
2 tons of Fun
.....or Madonna?

Dance said:

^^^^hates R&B from 83 to 1995...lol

At least you are letting your bias known unlike other folks in this thread...

LittleAmy said:

Graycap23 said:

What can I say Cap...I'm an eclectic guy...I have Radiohead, Prince, NWA, Anita Baker, Sade, (and yeah, some Madonna...gasp...lol), Jodeci, Keith Sweat, Jimi Hendrix and The Beatles all in my Ipod...

Because I understand that all artists have their own thing that they bring to the table...When I want to chill and hear a great voice I'll throw on some Billie Holiday...When I want to hear some fun cool dance R&B I'll throw on some Guy...That's the beauty of music...Madonna may be the most overrated act of all time...But that doesn't mean she didn't have an impact or some jams...Shit, I'll play the hell out of some "Holiday"...A good record is a good record...

murph said:

I dig it.

murph said:

No, from 84 to now is SUSPECT or just plain trash. That's when things started going from sugar to shit.

I'm not biased.

I just don't like crap.

Dance said:

Nah...u pretty much are biased...lol

"New Edition recieves lifetime achivement award from ASCAP"



The centerpiece of the evening and also the last category awarded was the ASCAP Golden Note Award. "Who wouldn't be excited to see all six members of New Edition together in the same room?" Austin asked the audience, standing room only by now, who responded with resounding cheers.

New Edition, siting front and center before the stage, watched as six artists/groups performed hits both by the group and their respective solo spinoffs. The tribute performances, some choreographed right down to the original steps, came across as heartfelt, often punctuated by "I love you New Edition!" and New Edition being hugged right at their table.

New Edition was first introduced by ASCAP CEO John LoFrumento. Next to speak before presenting the Golden Note award was Maurice Starr, a once-polarizing figure to the band's fanbase after a decades-old split followed by Starr's creation of New Kids on the Block.

Starr spoke of discovering New Edition as youths singing the Jackson Five's "ABC" and then booking them for a local talent show in Roxbury. Starr spoke of the men's talent and singularity in creating a new model predating and changing the 'boy band' genre as is now known. Starr corrected that contrary to some outside press reports, "I didn't create New Kids on the Block out of spite but out of respect. They are still my friends."

The video montage for New Edition and the solo projects of its members drew a mix of good-natured laughs and applause for a generation who can recall shag and Gumby haircuts, not to mention the various fashions from the '80s to the group's current suave polish.

New Edition's six members Ricky Bell, Ronnie DeVoe, Johnny Gill, Ralph Tresvant, Bobby Brown and Michael Bivins then took the stage, greeted by a standing ovation lasting minutes. Ricky Bell spoke first saying, "It was about twenty nine years ago that we stepped to this guy Mr. Brooke Payne, and we asked him to teach us choreography and manage us."

Ronnie DeVoe spoke second, adding "Twenty-five years of blood sweat and tears....You guys don't know half of what we've gone through as a group. We're definitely putting a movie together so you will understand some of the trials and tribulations but the best thing about this night is there's six guys standing here on this stage to receive it. There are so many that have come and gone, individuals like Rick James. I remember we used to just stand on the side of the stage, night after night, when we were on tour with him watching him do his thing and to know he's not here... for us to pay homage…to know that the six guys of New Edition are still here tonight is such a blessing."

Lead singer Ralph Tresvant said, "It's really a shock to see ASCAP acknowledging us right now because you're the first guys that ever really acknowledged any of this work we put in." Thanking his bandmates by name he referred to them also as brothers, including "Maurice Starr and Brooke Payne- you guys are my life, man. I'm glad we were able to stick together, work out all of our differences and ups and downs. We're still here...When it gets down to nothing, God is up to something."

Bobby Brown, the resident wild card of the band and an audience favorite for his unpredictable charisma, was greeted by scattered shout-outs of "Bad Boy!" and 'B.B!" as he approached the microphone .

"Twenty years ago I was out of this group. Twenty years ago I didn't know who I was.' Brown said. "It was only in kicking me out of the group that made me think 'If I don't succeed, then I ain't gonna be shi*.' These brothers did the best thing for me to teach me a lesson. I don't think I've learned that lesson yet but I'm working on it!" he said to laughter.

"My life is on a straight path right now," said Brown. "I'm through one marriage and working on another one and this one is gonna work because I'm going to make it work. It takes fans, it takes people, it takes women, boys, girls and children to raise something like this. We're 25 years in it and we're young...well, I know I am! I'm the baby in the group! I don't think that the music industry would have been the same without New Edition and I don't mean that because I was apart of New Edition. I was a part of 5 years of New Edition, twenty of them I was a solo artist but I was a solo artist watching what New Edition was and I promise to you New Edition will never stop....This is only the beginning."

Yeah I heard they were giving an honor from ASCAP. That's what's up.
[Edited 6/26/08 14:27pm]

Graycap23 said:

its the rock n roll hall of fame not the hall of skills, if you wanna keep artists like madonna out you have to rethink an artist like elvis, what exactly was his great 'skill'? he was a cultural icon who made hit records, elvis was totally manufactuered and packaged, just like a madonna.people like to hate on the more recent pop icons, especially the women but the fact is their influence is still seen in current artists, they have had successful albums, singles, tours, they had an impact on fashion and trends..they belong in the rrhof

Graycap23 said:

You evidently don't see the difference between your subjective bias and objective observation. I'm a fan of all those acts you named -- and was buying their music when they were current -- and IMO I would prefer to listen to The Bar-Kays and the Steve Arrington Slave era over New Edition. The same with The Ohio Players.

But from an objective perspective (outside of possibly The Ohio Players) I would likely have a weaker case for a hall of fame nomination for them than I would for New Edition.

The problem I have with your logic is that you're changing the subjective aspect when it suits you and totally ignore the objective when it suits your purposes.

LittleAmy said:

It's just not that serious 4 me. U guys can enjoy the Hall. I'll go back 2 ignoring it like I always have. No biggie.

lowkey said:

Fine by me.

I'm a HUGE NE fan but they haven't got a chance in hell. Damn, The Commodores, Hall & Oates & Kool & The Gang aren't in yet!!

dancerella said:

I don't know any Bobby Brown, New Edition or Johnny Gill songs

Interesting discussion! I think there are plenty of more deserving acts that aren't inducted yet, but New Edition definitely have a case. That said, I don't exactly hold the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in the highest esteem. It's a nice honor to be inducted- sure. However, I don't think that they always make the most sensible choices. But that's just me.

FuNkeNsteiN said:

now u know u's a lie

paisleypark4 said:

I believe him. I doubt they were that big in Finland. He's also pretty young.