squirrelscientist said:

If it ever happens lets go together!!!

Shapeshifter said:

I would agree to this statement. It's more about the perception of artist than anything. I think if they had The Roots opening or backing another artist, this issue wouldn't exist to this extent.

Dance said:

Now that's ignorant.

interesting...

Do rappers usually appear at these types of events? I remember years ago (late 90s),we had one of these rock festivals/concerts in my area and Snoop was one of the artists.From what I heard,he wasn't received very well.

SoulAlive said:

Kinda like if Brad Paisley opened for a traditional Hip Hop based music festival. I like Brad Paisley myself and he would be a traditional successful artist (even in the Country music format). But if you have an audience that is not a fan of his music nor a fan of country music, can you really trip off the audience? So what if it weren't Jay-Z, what if it were a different rap artist? Some fans of the genre prefer some MC's over others. I'm a Mos Def fan myself, but that doesn't mean if he opened he'd be well recieved himself.

Dance said:

Damn Dance.....that is what I would have said.

I have a feeling this has NOTHING 2 do with race.

Dance said:

First, let it be known that I am know way saying that everyone on this board is racist because they have a problem with Jay Z on the bill...But YOUR comment about smoking weed is quite interesting and alarming...

When having any musical discussion about any genre of music, it's important to first have an idea of what you are talking about (no disrespect...)...Indeed, people may have a real problem with Jay Z playing because they just don't like hip hop, which I respect...

What I don't respect however is ignorant coded wording that insinuates a stereotypical mindset...That's like saying that all white rock stars shoot up heroin or snort coke...It's something that I would never say because I'm able to judge acts on a case by case bases...Again, I respect folks having a real fundamental problem with a rap act playing a rock festival (which btw, has been done in the past at Glastonbury, but I see where folks are coming from...)...

What I do have a problem with is the ignorance that seems to be propelling your argument...
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DJJillMonroe said:

Not really, because Jay-Z has shown a healthy respect for rock and has worked with various rock artists for years now. Even when I saw him on Saturday when he did 99 problems which ain't nuthin but a Rick Rubin produced rock song, the band segued into a killer rendition of AC/DC's Back in Black. That guitarist was crazy. Ain't too many, if any, hip-hop artists doing that. This audience may not know that though.

Snoop and other rappers have been doing the Montreaux Jazz Festival for years now. I don't think there's anything wrong with expanding musical horizons isn't that what a music festival with multiple acts supposed to do? Especially if you have an artist that's willing to do that himself. I'd expect more openness and tolerance from music fans.
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SCNDLS said:

Tolerance? What if u just plain don't dig the music?

Graycap23 said:

Then skip it this year and stay ya ass at home.

SCNDLS said:

That's WHY the ticket sales are low. The public has spoken.

Graycap23 said:

I dunno, looks like they're still going to have a good turnout.

I'd go, but it's in Glastonbury.
So fuck it.

Graycap23 said:

You're right. Jay Z doesn't sell that well in the UK. Fiddy's a lot more popular. Ditto Kanye West.

Glastonbury's been a mudbath for the past couple of years. Who the hell wants to go live in a tent for three or four days, get filthy, get wet, get hypothermia and then have to sit through two hours of Beyonce's husband at the end of it ...

Racism/classism .... ? Bullshit.

Shapeshifter said:

Bingo.

SCNDLS said:

When I saw Jigga three or four years ago, he did not have a live band.

I do not think Jigga is a good fit with Glastonbury.

Paris9748430 said:

What is with you guys? I have seen Jay Z live and he sucked.

Stymie said:

Just because he has a "band" does NOT mean it's GOOD.

Graycap23 said:

But that's just not the case...From what I read, when Jay was announced as the headliner, ticket sales were brisk...(100, 000 just in days...)....Again, I have no problem with folks not wanting to see a hip hop act on a rock n roll bill that has always been inclusive from The Roots to Kylie Minouge...People are allowed to like what they want to like...I just have a problem with some of the comments coming from the UK and in this thread (not yours, btw...)...

Stymie said:

I saw him 4 years ago and I agree, he sucked. I said so in a thread last week about his new tour with Mary. Here it is http://prince.org/msg/8/266965

I was on the fence about going because I don't like Mary much and although I love Jay-Z the last show wasn't great. THIS show is COMPLETELY different. Night and day. I thoroughly enjoyed it and would go again.
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murph said:

I dig it.

Look what happemned to MR 50 cent @ the reading festival in 2004..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yqEPLyu0nA0

Graycap23 said:

You again, huh?...lol


I can print up a load of reviews from the Mary/Jay Z tour that says otherwise, from critics that traditionally have shitted on hip hop shows...Ya'll gonna make me into a Jay Z superfan..lol (something that I'm not even approaching...Nas was always my dude, although I dug some of Jay-Z's stuff...)...I just can't get over the fact that folks feel they can make any ol' uninformed comment just because they are talking about hip hop...It's funny....

EDIT...It's all good homie....
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purplewisdom said:

For good reason...50 sucks live...Seen him live and I wasn't impressed...Now hip hop haters would be right on that one...But just as Van Halen wasn't the same act as say Poison, Jay ain't 50...Contrary to some of the narrowminded opinions in this thread, there are actually artistic differences between 50 and Jay Z...Gasp!

murph said:

Be a Jay Z superfan. No one is trying to stop that. Uninfromed? I think not. I have been a hip hop head for 20 years or more. I saw Jigga live once. Perhaps subsequent shows were better but the fact he is a misogynist pretty much tunes me out to anything he has to say lately.

murph said:

Lol.....I've seen damn near everyone who is WORTH seeing. Jay-Z is NOT worth my time or $. That's just me.

Graycap23 said:

I think you've been pretty nice in stating it's just oyur opinion.

Stymie said:

No need 2 start trouble. If people are entertained by that low-grade sh*t, It's all good.

murph said:

Exactly. I don't get this one dimensional view about hip-hop. I'm NOT a fan of all hip-hop artists and hate MOST of the bullshit on the radio today. But how anyone cannot see Jay's superiority from a lyrical and subject matter standpoint, baffles me.

When he performed News Report (an indictment on Bush and the government's mishandling of the Katrina situation) on Saturday acapella with images of a flooded New Orleans behind him. . . that was sheer poetry. The audience response was incredible. Sure he can be mysoginistic but he can also be sensitive, political and deep. The same could be said about Prince, btw. Most artists, people in general, are complex and I appreciate Jay for being brave enough to display his complexity in his song topics UNLIKE 90% of popular hip hop artists who talk ONLY about material things and hoes. Yeah, I know Jay does this too but that's not ALL he talks about.
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