Sander said:

You seem considerably less jaded about contemporary music than me. (Not that I hate it.) I actually envy that, and from one point of view I suppose I should know better...

You mention you would have enjoyed witnessing the birth of pop music. The funny thing is that forms and artists that ultimately gain the respect of certain "purists" -- jazz, of course, and even some classical and ecclessial forms -- were almost always once despised as low brow examples of newer, generic popular derivatives that mocked the integrity of older, more austere forms. Perhaps, then, there never was a marked birth of pop music per se so much as a constant arrival of innovation that would be thrown into that category... to be sifted out and truly appreciated later.

I should perhaps appreciate that cycle more. I just think I've reached early onset of being a bit of a fuddy duddy.

the sound of music

Sander said:

Some of them are actually really good; they are often just blues. Really.

HamsterHuey said:

Reeeaaallllly?

Mozart- Don Giovani

Sander said:

I kid you not.

Imago said:

Wow, the limited edition LP from 1787? Kewl!

Do you have a signed copy?

HamsterHuey said:

I was waiting on someone to point that out.

Two of my mother's Supremes albums from 1964 and 1966.

I have a Little Richard Greatest Hits CD with songs from the 1950s but I don't count that because it ain't the orginal vinyl and a CD is just a copy of the original recordings.

Lammastide said:

Indeed, the same goes for technological innovations such as television and even internet (people warned us about prince.org!) and videogames. Instead of focussing on the positive attributes and potentials the potential threat is emphasized especially in the media. So, moral of the story is, I shouldn't look back and wish for days gone by, but keep my eyes open for the trends happening now. Especially when there is a moral panic about a new genre of music or artist (like Prince, or even Marilyn Manson or Eminem).



I know what you mean, sometimes you get to a point, yeah yeah, I've seen it, heard it, experienced it, there just doesn't seem to be anything new or exciting anymore. Now only if I knew what a duddy or even a fuddy duddy is...

vainandy said:

Partypoop! Anyway, vinyl is just a copy of the master tape...

I do understand though, that Louis Armstrong disc is remastered somewhat to make it y2k ready. Still, it counts for the sake of this thread, so come on, tell me, what's the oldest?

Any excuse to investigate your collection is a good one isn't it? By the way does anyone have their albums in chronological order?

Lammastide said:

Good to see a fellow fan of the great King Oliver and of course, those very great early Louis sides on the 'Hot Fives and Sevens - some of my all-time favourate music right there. No fake pretensions at 'cool' and 'image', just good, honest, virtuosic improvisation + soul. For his great '20s sides alone, and who and what they influenced, Louis imo is in the top 5 greatest artists of the 20th century.

That early Louis band with Earl Hines is one of the greatest jazz groups of all time. And it's all so enjoyable. They don't call Armstrong the 'Sun King' for nothing.

I need to dig out 'West End Blues' now, I think .

Age is no barrier for me . I dig loads of ancient blues recordings from the likes of Blind Lemon Jefferson, Skip James, Son House, Blind Willie Johnson etc. I enjoy them for what they are, and often find myself preferring their early stuff to a lot of later blues.

As to Robert Johnson, a mutha indeed on the guitar, but imo one among many in his era, and his shadow looms too large over so many other great blues artists of that time.

I also have the original recording of 'An American in Paris' from 1928, with George Gershwin himself on celeste, as well as the early recordings of Duke Ellington, Cole Porter (I especially like his own, rare solo recordings of his songs) and Noel Coward. So much great music. The frontiers must have seemed wide open back then. So many fascinating 'fusions', with jazz itself starting as being just one of those .

I now wish I could say I had the so-called 'first ever male blues recording' by Sylvester Weaver (1897-1960) - On October 23, 1923, he recorded in New York with the blues singer Sara Martin 'Longing for Daddy Blues' / 'I've Got to Go and Leave My Daddy Behind' and two weeks later as a soloist 'Guitar Blues' / 'Guitar Rag'. Both recordings were released on Okeh Records. These recordings are the very first country-blues recordings and the first known recorded songs using the slide guitar style. 'Guitar Rag' (played on a Guitjo) became a blues classic and was covered in the 1930's by Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys as 'Steel Guitar Rag' and became a country music standard too.

Old funk indeed.

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Sander said:

True, but the vinyl itself would be older than if I had these two albums on CDs which was only invented in the mid 1980s.



As for oldest actual songs in my collection, it would definately be the Little Richard Greatest Hits CD because those songs are from the 1950s. Everything elsle in my collection is from the 70s on up with a tiny bit of 1960s.



By year? My vinyl is in order by year.

However, it's impossible to put my CDs in order by year because I have so many "Greatest Hits", "Best Of", and compilation CDs. I usually keep them in order as best as I can by genre such as 70s funk groups, 70s disco groups, 80s funk groups, house music, slow jam groups in one section such as Blue Magic, The Stylistics, The Delfonics, etc., 70s rock groups, 80s rock groups. Then I keep all compilations in a separate section with genres separated also.

Cab Calloway.

Claudio Monteverdi--1567-1643

vainandy said:

Aha, yes, your vinyl is by year! Like you I had my collection by genre for a few months, I just couldn't get used to it (Prince is a bastard, as well as Fishbone). Now I'm kinda thinking about doing it by year. How is that working out for your vinyls? Easy to find, remember? Or do you have just a few albums? I guess not since you're so anti-shithop...

I've been buying vinyl since 1978 so I have lots of it. Hell, back in the day, sometimes I would get some new releases before the radio stations in my area were aware of or started playing them, since I could pick up a radio station late at night from a much bigger city in a neighboring state. People used to always wonder how I was up on the new stuff so fast, that was my secret.

As for my vinyl, even though it's sorted by year, it's still sorted by genre also because the only vinyl I ever bought back in the day was disco which was the late 70s, and funk, which was the early 80s that followed disco. I never got into rock until shit hop took over R&B. By that time, CDs had taken over so I never got a chance to get into rock on vinyl. Even if I had rock vinyl though, Prince would still be in the funk section. That whore may have become extremely diverse later in years but, when I first got into him, he was known strictly in the R&B world, so that's how I will always remember him.....even if he did a country album.

Sander said:

Only chronological after alphabetical. Prince CDs are filed under 'P' but then filed chronologically from For You (1978) to Planet Earth (2007). CD singles are arranged in the order they were released after the corresponding album.

12" singles are still strictly alphabetical. I've got too many to figure out exactly which ones were released first.

Without doing an inventory, my guess is that some Louis Armstrong recordings that stretched back to the '20s would be my oldest also.


From the late '30s...



...Solo Flight by Charlie Christian.
I remember getting this from the Columbia House record club.
One of those 1000 albums for a 1 cent deals.


Another favorite encompassing some early 50s recordings...



...would be these Johnny Smith albums.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

I have some Louis Armstrong compilations too - I don't have them right at my fingertips, so I'm not sure what exact eras were covered.

This is my favourite box set - it has recordings going back to 1928:

Miles Davis - Kind of Blue (1959)

Sander said:

Hi, U're welcome! The oldest thing 've got right now is Elton John's title CD from 1970, but I'm looking to get some albums from the '50 & '60s.


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1925: Louis Armstrong


1926–31: Duke Ellington


1929–33: Blind Willie McTell


1934: Leadbelly (from prison)


1936-37: Robert Johnson

A record from the german group Comedian Harmonists from 1929!

Robert Johnson.....
also i have three shellacs from the 1936 berlin olympics with original coverage and radio broadcasts, including fanfares and the olympic bell. So if this counts these a my oldest recordings.

Should be 'Birth of the Cool' from 1949. But I really want to get some older Billie Holiday music.

wait a minute....i own this brilliant "Say It Loud! A Celebration of Black Music In America" Box-Set. The oldest track is 'Maple Leaf Rag' by Scott Joplin, it's from 1916.

should be some Miles Davis cd's that I own....