NDRU said:

Speaking about Elvis. This guy was 300lbs, wasted on drugs.. having half a shit hanging out of his ass.

Sang Live!

Watch that last concert, he forgets words, he is totally wasted. But his voice sounded great and he was 100% live. You cant say that with MJ for any of this tv performances! You cant say that for the 2001 performances and or for Motown 25 in his prime.

The Whole "Composed Produced By" came from his hard on of Prince! EVERYONE Knows that! For Christ's Sake he bleached his skin to look more like Prince! "A/B" The Bad Era MJ with 1999/Purple Rain Prince.

MJ was trying to get Quincy & Others to take most-producer credit for Thriller and when the awards were coming out he wanted them to withdraw their names.
- It was in a book from his Manager or whatever. I forget the guys name. All you can correct me on that little thing that it wasnt his manager, blah blah blah or maybe it was? Who Cares it's in a Book released a few years ago.

MJ taking a liner note credit is a joke. If you have lets say 72 tracks to the board and you have a few guitars on a song, one of the tracks can be his in the background. It means nothing! Thats goes for the samething as "Producer" Sean Combs has done that for years! He will come in at the end and turn a knob or two and presto co-producer

MJ has performed as a solo artist for what 25-30 years. We had a full Victory Tour, A HUGE long long BAD Tour, Dangerous, History & 2001 MSG Shows. 100's of 100's of Concerts. Not one moment of him playing an instrument. I have seen a few of his shows and they are boring, he repeats the J5/Jacksons show with his solo music video performances live. Thats the whole show! He doesnt break it down, sit on a stool in the middle of the concert and do a little thing like Prince did on Musicology or even Janet has done for 10 years since Velvet Rope!

His ego is so big, if he could do anything more then lip sync/repeat music video steps. He would set up every instrument in a circle and then play one, then jump to the next one & so on! WE all would see this all the time. Everyone of his concerts needs a "musical moment" a break down, a slow down, a change of pace.

30+ Years of Performing and no instruments - rarely sings live. How amazing

- The closet thing I can remember is I believe in was 1992-ish when he had this guitarist with lights all over her and she had a huge blonde mohawk. While SHE was playing... MJ stood next to her and "played" air guitar

There you go, well hey he pretends to sing, why not pretend to play instruments too.

The Whole "Composed Produced By" came from his hard on of Prince! EVERYONE Knows that! For Christ's Sake he bleached his skin to look more like Prince! "A/B" The Bad Era MJ with 1999/Purple Rain Prince.

MJ was trying to get Quincy & Others to take most-producer credit for Thriller and when the awards were coming out he wanted them to withdraw their names.
- It was in a book from his Manager or whatever. I forget the guys name. All you can correct me on that little thing that it wasnt his manager, blah blah blah or maybe it was? Who Cares it's in a Book released a few years ago.

MJ taking a liner note credit is a joke. If you have lets say 72 tracks to the board and you have a few guitars on a song, one of the tracks can be his in the background. It means nothing! Thats goes for the samething as "Producer" Sean Combs has done that for years! He will come in at the end and turn a knob or two and presto co-producer

MJ has performed as a solo artist for what 25-30 years. We had a full Victory Tour, A HUGE long long BAD Tour, Dangerous, History & 2001 MSG Shows. 100's of 100's of Concerts. Not one moment of him playing an instrument. I have seen a few of his shows and they are boring, he repeats the J5/Jacksons show with his solo music video performances live. Thats the whole show! He doesnt break it down, sit on a stool in the middle of the concert and do a little thing like Prince did on Musicology or even Janet has done for 10 years since Velvet Rope!

His ego is so big, if he could do anything more then lip sync/repeat music video steps. He would set up every instrument in a circle and then play one, then jump to the next one & so on! WE all would see this all the time. Everyone of his concerts needs a "musical moment" a break down, a slow down, a change of pace.

30+ Years of Performing and no instruments - rarely sings live. How amazing

- The closet thing I can remember is I believe in was 1992-ish when he had this guitarist with lights all over her and she had a huge blonde mohawk. While SHE was playing... MJ stood next to her and "played" air guitar

There you go, well hey he pretends to sing, why not pretend to play instruments too.

ElectricBlue said:

I actually agree with a lot of what you have said about Michael, especially in the last 20 years. But what about when he was a child, do you truely believe he didn't sing live then?

Btw he did sing live at Motown 25 with his brothers and I think he sounded great, however he didn't sing the Billie Jean part live.

The thing is if you want to see Michael truely live in concerts and even TV performances we need to go back to the J5 days through to the Bad era.

whatsgoingon said:

Michael could sing his ass off back then! He didn't really start "syncing" until halfway through the "Bad" tour and 50/50 through the "Dangerous" tour and mimed more often than not after that. I think he sang live in the last few minutes of the MTV thing in 1995 tho.

The Whole "Composed Produced By" came from his hard on of Prince! EVERYONE Knows that! For Christ's Sake he bleached his skin to look more like Prince! "A/B" The Bad Era MJ with 1999/Purple Rain Prince.

MJ was trying to get Quincy & Others to take most-producer credit for Thriller and when the awards were coming out he wanted them to withdraw their names.
- It was in a book from his Manager or whatever. I forget the guys name. All you can correct me on that little thing that it wasnt his manager, blah blah blah or maybe it was? Who Cares it's in a Book released a few years ago.

MJ taking a liner note credit is a joke. If you have lets say 72 tracks to the board and you have a few guitars on a song, one of the tracks can be his in the background. It means nothing! Thats goes for the samething as "Producer" Sean Combs has done that for years! He will come in at the end and turn a knob or two and presto co-producer

MJ has performed as a solo artist for what 25-30 years. We had a full Victory Tour, A HUGE long long BAD Tour, Dangerous, History & 2001 MSG Shows. 100's of 100's of Concerts. Not one moment of him playing an instrument. I have seen a few of his shows and they are boring, he repeats the J5/Jacksons show with his solo music video performances live. Thats the whole show! He doesnt break it down, sit on a stool in the middle of the concert and do a little thing like Prince did on Musicology or even Janet has done for 10 years since Velvet Rope!

His ego is so big, if he could do anything more then lip sync/repeat music video steps. He would set up every instrument in a circle and then play one, then jump to the next one & so on! WE all would see this all the time. Everyone of his concerts needs a "musical moment" a break down, a slow down, a change of pace.

30+ Years of Performing and no instruments - rarely sings live. How amazing

- The closet thing I can remember is I believe in was 1992-ish when he had this guitarist with lights all over her and she had a huge blonde mohawk. While SHE was playing... MJ stood next to her and "played" air guitar

There you go, well hey he pretends to sing, why not pretend to play instruments too.

The strangest thing about watching that Martin Bashir documentary to me wasn't all the public confessions about wanting to sleep with children, but the part where Michael was sitting at his Neverland recording setup (this was the scene where he was dancing a bit as well). The guy had a relatively old school taste in equipment (Swedien's influence I'd guess), but I didn't really see a single instrument there. Not even a MIDI controller, if my memory serves me right. There were just dynamic processors and such behind his back. I just found it a bit odd.

Of course I know he can play the keyboards himself, and the people who worked with him in the 70s tell that when he was a teenager he was the one out of the brothers who wanted to learn absolutely everything in the studio. Yet if he was forced to make a choice between a Rhodes solo and a children's choir for a bridge section on one of his new tracks, I'm just afraid he'd be more interested in the latter.

Timmy84 said:

I know he didn't start synching until half way through the Bad tour, a tour I actually attended. I also know prior to the Bad tour all his tours with his brothers he sang live, unless their was chronic problems with his voice.

The question you need to aske yourself why did he go from a person who always sang live in concerts with his brothers to someone who could just about sing live on his solo tours. Was the fact that the dancing took over the singing or has he got chronic vocal problems? Something went wrong with that voice, which before now was always his greatest asset.

As for him playing instruments, he doesn't strike me as someone who would pretend to play something brilliantly on stage if he could only play a little. I believe can play the piano and the drums ( infact I have seen him play the drums) a little, but that's just it. He himself has NEVER profess to be able to play any instrument, brilliantly.
[Edited 4/4/08 9:53am]

whatsgoingon said:

Now see this was my question too. "How did he go from singing live 100% to syncing?" MAYBE it could be because his voice has gone through rough patches. I wonder if he ever has vocal nodes, that could be the reason why when he does sing live, he sounds lethargic.

Timmy84 said:

http://uk.youtube.com/wat...SsPvSbUbDI

CAN YOU REMEMBER

http://uk.youtube.com/wat...re=related
KILLING ME SOFTLY

http://uk.youtube.com/wat...mmHIC2j8kw
SHOW YOU THE WAY TO GO

These 3 videos were of Michael and his brothers singing live both in concert and on TV shows over a period of about 10 years. It illustrates how rich his voice once was, so you have to ask yourself what changed so much that he can't do this anymore.

krayzie said:

Are you missing the point on purpose or what? I said with all the videos and stuff you can find on YouTube (and other free video sites) you would think someone, somewhere would have posted a video --not a picture of him holding one or sitting in front of one-- but a actual video of MJ playing an instrument.

Prove me wrong by posting a VIDEO of him actually playing an instrument LIVE either in concert or in a recording studio. And no, hearsay of him being able to play doesn't count. I want to see and hear him playing drums, keyboards, guitar, horns, violin, or something-- LIVE.

The Whole "Composed Produced By" came from his hard on of Prince! EVERYONE Knows that! For Christ's Sake he bleached his skin to look more like Prince! "A/B" The Bad Era MJ with 1999/Purple Rain Prince.

MJ was trying to get Quincy & Others to take most-producer credit for Thriller and when the awards were coming out he wanted them to withdraw their names.
- It was in a book from his Manager or whatever. I forget the guys name. All you can correct me on that little thing that it wasnt his manager, blah blah blah or maybe it was? Who Cares it's in a Book released a few years ago.

MJ taking a liner note credit is a joke. If you have lets say 72 tracks to the board and you have a few guitars on a song, one of the tracks can be his in the background. It means nothing! Thats goes for the samething as "Producer" Sean Combs has done that for years! He will come in at the end and turn a knob or two and presto co-producer

MJ has performed as a solo artist for what 25-30 years. We had a full Victory Tour, A HUGE long long BAD Tour, Dangerous, History & 2001 MSG Shows. 100's of 100's of Concerts. Not one moment of him playing an instrument. I have seen a few of his shows and they are boring, he repeats the J5/Jacksons show with his solo music video performances live. Thats the whole show! He doesnt break it down, sit on a stool in the middle of the concert and do a little thing like Prince did on Musicology or even Janet has done for 10 years since Velvet Rope!

His ego is so big, if he could do anything more then lip sync/repeat music video steps. He would set up every instrument in a circle and then play one, then jump to the next one & so on! WE all would see this all the time. Everyone of his concerts needs a "musical moment" a break down, a slow down, a change of pace.

30+ Years of Performing and no instruments - rarely sings live. How amazing

- The closet thing I can remember is I believe in was 1992-ish when he had this guitarist with lights all over her and she had a huge blonde mohawk. While SHE was playing... MJ stood next to her and "played" air guitar

There you go, well hey he pretends to sing, why not pretend to play instruments too.

"You got to love the anonymity factor of the net"


As always Ms. Legs, you are right on point!

krayzie said:

You might not have seen it, but we have. He played keys on stage as far back as the early '70s. In his autobiography he spoke about learning to play as a kid. A guy called Leon Austin gave him his first lessons, but he didn't have a piano to practice on, so he started sweeping out the local church so he could use theirs. After he'd done sweeping up, he would lock the door and practice for hours.


Timberlake has much more skill than Madonna. Like I said, he ain't no virtuoso but he played a variety of songs and chords in his concert, one time with no other accompaniment, so if a fan were to claim that he could play a little, I would accept it because I've seen it with my own eyes. I'm still waiting, after 38 years, to see some footage, somewhere, of MJ playing an instrument.

The Whole "Composed Produced By" came from his hard on of Prince! EVERYONE Knows that! For Christ's Sake he bleached his skin to look more like Prince! "A/B" The Bad Era MJ with 1999/Purple Rain Prince.

MJ was trying to get Quincy & Others to take most-producer credit for Thriller and when the awards were coming out he wanted them to withdraw their names.
- It was in a book from his Manager or whatever. I forget the guys name. All you can correct me on that little thing that it wasnt his manager, blah blah blah or maybe it was? Who Cares it's in a Book released a few years ago.

MJ taking a liner note credit is a joke. If you have lets say 72 tracks to the board and you have a few guitars on a song, one of the tracks can be his in the background. It means nothing! Thats goes for the samething as "Producer" Sean Combs has done that for years! He will come in at the end and turn a knob or two and presto co-producer

MJ has performed as a solo artist for what 25-30 years. We had a full Victory Tour, A HUGE long long BAD Tour, Dangerous, History & 2001 MSG Shows. 100's of 100's of Concerts. Not one moment of him playing an instrument. I have seen a few of his shows and they are boring, he repeats the J5/Jacksons show with his solo music video performances live. Thats the whole show! He doesnt break it down, sit on a stool in the middle of the concert and do a little thing like Prince did on Musicology or even Janet has done for 10 years since Velvet Rope!

His ego is so big, if he could do anything more then lip sync/repeat music video steps. He would set up every instrument in a circle and then play one, then jump to the next one & so on! WE all would see this all the time. Everyone of his concerts needs a "musical moment" a break down, a slow down, a change of pace.

30+ Years of Performing and no instruments - rarely sings live. How amazing

- The closet thing I can remember is I believe in was 1992-ish when he had this guitarist with lights all over her and she had a huge blonde mohawk. While SHE was playing... MJ stood next to her and "played" air guitar

There you go, well hey he pretends to sing, why not pretend to play instruments too.

krayzie said:

Ohh larwd.....

krayzie said:

You might not have seen it, but we have. He played keys on stage as far back as the early '70s. In his autobiography he spoke about learning to play as a kid. A guy called Leon Austin gave him his first lessons, but he didn't have a piano to practice on, so he started sweeping out the local church so he could use theirs. After he'd done sweeping up, he would lock the door and practice for hours.

Excuse me but "we have" argument is NOT A PROOF... Anybody on here can say I've seen that, I've done...

And also who is WE ???

James Brown is not known to play instruments part of his show...

The only pictures "proof" of Jame Brown behind keys on stage I've seen so far where when he was old as fuck in 2000's...

And I can find tons of pictures of MJ playing instruments as well...

The only people that can answer the questiuon are the with him closely...





It's just a prr

Timberlake has much more skill than Madonna. Like I said, he ain't no virtuoso but he played a variety of songs and chords in his concert, one time with no other accompaniment, so if a fan were to claim that he could play a little, I would accept it because I've seen it with my own eyes. I'm still waiting, after 38 years, to see some footage, somewhere, of MJ playing an instrument.

It's painfully obvious that some people believe that MJ can play instruments even though NO ONE has seen it.

Bishop31 said:

wassent he credited for playing instruments on the HIStory album as well?

Graycap23 said:

You mean OH LAWD ...

Oh common, it's clear to anybody who knows how to play piano that Timberlake is a beginner pianist at best...

Just because he knows few chords makes him a pianist...

The same old silly argument about Mj playing instruments, what if mj can't even play a single instrument? Does that make him less of a genuis, you guys can say whatever you want about Mj but its disgusting and silly to question his talent ...enough is enough.

some you guys could go on and on forever to degrade any aspect of Mj's life whether its about his personal life or music....No one can say anything about Mj's music so some of you play the playing instrument card just to show that mj is not a real artist ...its really annoying ...and let me just say that Mj can play some isntruments , he is not a professional at them but he can play, deal with it.