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Cassie - "Official Girl" (Produced by Danja)

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Reply #1 posted 04/12/08 8:37am

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NOT SURE ABOUT THIS ONE, HOPEFULLY ITS NOT THE FIRST SINGLE.
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Reply #2 posted 04/12/08 8:47am

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she's so pretty.
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Reply #3 posted 04/12/08 8:48am

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Vanity's song "Pretty mess" comes to mind. She's prettty but that song is a mess. Some people should be seen and not heard.
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Reply #4 posted 04/12/08 9:28am

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Yikes!
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Reply #5 posted 04/12/08 10:06am

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hmmm, Karina Pasian has a version of this song out too...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzTyu3tycXA
yea, i know...
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Reply #6 posted 04/12/08 12:01pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

Vanity's song "Pretty mess" comes to mind. She's prettty but that song is a mess. Some people should be seen and not heard.


Wouldnt Vanity be one of them?

It is planned as the first single, but its all up in the air right now, she has about 10 songs that have already been leaked out there, so with the album release planned for the summer, a first single is still not officially decided.
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Reply #7 posted 04/12/08 12:15pm

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lastdecember said:



Wouldnt Vanity be one of them?

It is planned as the first single, but its all up in the air right now, she has about 10 songs that have already been leaked out there, so with the album release planned for the summer, a first single is still not officially decided.
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Are you serious? You can't even begin to compare Cassie's lame ass to Vanity. Holla at me when that lil' no-singing chick learns how to work a stage. ALL she has is looks. No singing ability, no stage presence. NONE. She shouldn't be on the stage for any other reason that to escort a real singer onto the stage at a damn awards show.. She is a marketing ploy that is coasting off her looks and that "single" is GARBAGE. She has no identity. Who the hell is Cassie?
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Reply #8 posted 04/12/08 12:16pm

SoulAlive

I'm afraid to click on the link and watch the video lol
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Reply #9 posted 04/12/08 12:19pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

lastdecember said:



Wouldnt Vanity be one of them?

It is planned as the first single, but its all up in the air right now, she has about 10 songs that have already been leaked out there, so with the album release planned for the summer, a first single is still not officially decided.
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Are you serious? You can't even begin to compare Cassie's lame ass to Vanity. Holla at me when that lil' no-singing chick learns how to work a stage. ALL she has is looks. No singing ability, no stage presence. NONE. She shouldn't be on the stage for any other reason that to escort a real singer onto the stage at a damn awards show.. She is a marketing ploy that is coasting off her looks and that "single" is GARBAGE. She has no identity. Who the hell is Cassie?


Exactly! The only thing Cassie has going for her is her looks.At least Vanity had a cool persona/image,and she was a decent actress too.Cassie is talentless.She can't even get onstage and "fake" it.She can't even pretend to have talent,lol.She's completely worthless.
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Reply #10 posted 04/12/08 12:26pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

lastdecember said:



Wouldnt Vanity be one of them?

It is planned as the first single, but its all up in the air right now, she has about 10 songs that have already been leaked out there, so with the album release planned for the summer, a first single is still not officially decided.
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Are you serious? You can't even begin to compare Cassie's lame ass to Vanity. Holla at me when that lil' no-singing chick learns how to work a stage. ALL she has is looks. No singing ability, no stage presence. NONE. She shouldn't be on the stage for any other reason that to escort a real singer onto the stage at a damn awards show.. She is a marketing ploy that is coasting off her looks and that "single" is GARBAGE. She has no identity. Who the hell is Cassie?


Yeah no kidding but you just described the whole freaking mainstream industry, who the hell isnt a package in the mainstream, are you kidding me, and Vanity was talented? wow can we stop looking at everything through Prince colored glasses, she was an empty shell without him and barely anything with him. You can pretty much put that who is cassie rant on everyone from Rihanna and then go down the freaking line, lets get real already. Im not saying give her props for anything but her looks, but dont start this dreamworld where she is the only one, drop the double standards

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Reply #11 posted 04/12/08 12:31pm

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So they're confirming it.... she's officially a girl, and not some meat-robot they cobbled together.
"Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran
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Vanity had her own style. She wasn't the greatest singer but she had an identity. Like Larry Blackmon of Cameo. He may not have had the greatest voice but if somebody imitated him, you would immediately have known who they were trying to copy. Same with Vanity. She's not Whitney Houston but she at least had a sound of her own; an identity.
Cassie has what?
A model's face. That's it. Every song I've heard her sing has SUCKED. What's worse, she can't even perform her sucky ass songs live! I mean, gawd-damn! How hard is it to have a wack record that ANYBODY could have done and then fuck that up? You have to really suck to suck on your own song that sucks.
I don't know how long Fluffy's dumb ass is going to keep accepting blow jobs as collateral for her weak ass releases but I bet pretty soon the only thing that will be official about this girl is the death of her singing career. She's not qualified to be a damn roadie for a singer, much less be allowed the amount of stage time she gets.
Wack ass chick.
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Reply #13 posted 04/12/08 12:49pm

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Vanity had her own style. She wasn't the greatest singer but she had an identity. Like Larry Blackmon of Cameo. He may not have had the greatest voice but if somebody imitated him, you would immediately have known who they were trying to copy. Same with Vanity. She's not Whitney Houston but she at least had a sound of her own; an identity.
Cassie has what?
A model's face. That's it. Every song I've heard her sing has SUCKED. What's worse, she can't even perform her sucky ass songs live! I mean, gawd-damn! How hard is it to have a wack record that ANYBODY could have done and then fuck that up? You have to really suck to suck on your own song that sucks.
I don't know how long Fluffy's dumb ass is going to keep accepting blow jobs as collateral for her weak ass releases but I bet pretty soon the only thing that will be official about this girl is the death of her singing career. She's not qualified to be a damn roadie for a singer, much less be allowed the amount of stage time she gets.
Wack ass chick.


Well she is a model which would explain it, i mean thats where they found her, and lets remember Tommy Mottola found her, and preached her to the label, so goes to show the man who found Hall and Oates, where his head is now. All im saying is i find no difference in her "suck ass" vocals live or recorded, different from Rihanna, Christina Milian etc.. and then spread that over to the wack ass rb males who are nothing more than guys that sing badly with their shirts open.

As for Vanity, she was nothing more than a sex-image, even she was so drugged out of her mind she didnt where or what she was doing. So any of her credit goes to the man who pulled her strings from day one and was the only reason she had any form of exposure either.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Even in her drugged-out state, Vanity was able to go on after Prince and ACT as well as release 2 albums that both had songs to chart on the R&B charts. She could have continued acting had she so chose to. She was acting before Prince; she continued to afterwards. Plus, she wrote all of her own lyrics and vocal arrangements. Why am I even bothering here? No one in their right mind would equate Cassie, who's only talent is to look pretty with ANYONE. For the record, Christina Milian is a better singer, Ashanti is a better singer, Rihanna's water-headed ass is a better singer than Cassie. Yes they are all marketing ploys but Cassie is the only name out of the bunch who has absolutely NO REASON AT ALL to be holding a microphone. The others (including Vanity) could at the very least sing background. Cassie is COMPLETELY WACK. NO SKILLZ. She is not an entertainer; she's the complimentary prize an entertainer gets when he/she rolls through town. She'd make a good escort. I can hear Missy Elliot calling her now. nod
Every song she sings and even her live performances are pitch-corrected. Now what does that say? Your girl Nicole S. is a marketing ploy, too but at least she has a good voice. Cassie has....her DSLs.

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Even in her drugged-out state, Vanity was able to go on after Prince and ACT as well as release 2 albums that both had songs to chart on the R&B charts. She could have continued acting had she so chose to. She was acting before Prince; she continued to afterwards. Plus, she wrote all of her own lyrics and vocal arrangements. Why am I even bothering here? No one in their right mind would equate Cassie, who's only talent is to look pretty with ANYONE. For the record, Christina Milian is a better singer, Ashanti is a better singer, Rihanna's water-headed ass is a better singer than Cassie. Yes they are all marketing ploys but Cassie is the only name out of the bunch who has absolutely NO REASON AT ALL to be holding a microphone. The others (including Vanity) could at the very least sing background. Cassie is COMPLETELY WACK. NO SKILLZ. She is not an entertainer; she's the complimentary prize an entertainer gets when he/she rolls through town. She'd make a good escort. I can hear Missy Elliot calling her now. nod
Every song she sings and even her live performances are pitch-corrected. Now what does that say? Your girl Nicole S. is a marketing ploy, too but at least she has a good voice. Cassie has....her DSLs.

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Well im not debating the "vocals" of Christina Milian and Ashanti, Cassie and Rihanna which would be like trying to figure out who is better or worse, George Bush or John McCain. As for Vanity her solo records were awful, and her acting was painful, but of course since she worked with Prince everyone gets the pass and holy grails handed to them for being much more than they more, including his band members in the Revolution and his current band, but thats a whole other topic.

As for marketing ploys they ALL are even the ones we preach have talent, there are these two new chicks out now who are nothing more than this years wanna be Norah Jones's, all labels hire as marketing ploys to cash in on what they look like, what they sound like, what drugs they are on, or how soon they might die from an OD to cash in on them.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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I don't give Vanity any more credit than she deserves. I don't think her records were terrible and I am far from alone.
As to Rihanna - I can't stand her tone but she does have ability. She sounds dreadful to ME but not like Cassie. At least with Rihanna, she sounds like she needs to practice or sing backup. Cassie sounds like she needs to STOP SINGING ALTOGETHER. That chick is HORRIBLE. Her first single was pretty much TALKING and she couldn't even do that right live. It takes almost no singing ability at all to sing Me & You and she fucked it up live.
You're trying to rationalize them all as the same but they are not. Cassie is not a professional singer at all. She really needs to quit, I don't care how cute she is...and despite her lack of talent, she is damn cute! I will give her that.
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Reply #17 posted 04/12/08 2:54pm

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Out of all the whisper queens, Cassie is the worst, followed by Ashanti. Cassie has zero stage presence. Christina M, Mya and Ciara may have weak vocals but at least they are able t offset their weakness with their dancing ability. Cassie can't even dance.

And there is no way she can be compared to Vanity. Vanity knew how to work the hell out of the stage and that's the truth...it has nothing to do with looking through rose colored glass because of her assoication with Prince. Apollonia was a Prince protege and she sucked. She couldn't sing, couldn't dance and was stiff as a board, just like Cassie. She was nothing more than eye-candy, just like Cassie.
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Reply #18 posted 04/12/08 3:28pm

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She should definitely quit her day job.
Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off
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Reply #19 posted 04/12/08 6:43pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

I don't give Vanity any more credit than she deserves. I don't think her records were terrible and I am far from alone.
As to Rihanna - I can't stand her tone but she does have ability. She sounds dreadful to ME but not like Cassie. At least with Rihanna, she sounds like she needs to practice or sing backup. Cassie sounds like she needs to STOP SINGING ALTOGETHER. That chick is HORRIBLE. Her first single was pretty much TALKING and she couldn't even do that right live. It takes almost no singing ability at all to sing Me & You and she fucked it up live.
You're trying to rationalize them all as the same but they are not. Cassie is not a professional singer at all. She really needs to quit, I don't care how cute she is...and despite her lack of talent, she is damn cute! I will give her that.

rihanna is a better artist.. and has better vocals.... and atleast her voice is unique.. it might not be the best out there.. but its distinct and you can recognize her songs when they come on..

cassie has a plain voice... and even after all the studio touch up its still typical.. and i hear lots of girls on youtube with that sound...

i have a better vocal ability then cassie... and have zero voice training and sing around the house once in a blue moon...

I have seen some vanity stuff. .and she had stage presence.. and brought what she had... although i don't know a lot of her stuff... (cause im NOT a prince fan)

anyways... cassie is worst then the contestant's at American Idol... and she has NO personality.. and her looks are overrated... she does NOT stand out above the crowd.. and have ZERO.. super star looks...
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Reply #20 posted 04/12/08 6:51pm

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Ioono, Me & U sounds good in a club w/ a good drink. Damn, Puff and Tommy Matolla? Shes young to have all them miles on her. Shed be a keeper if the industry wasnt all over her. Really havent heard her other stuff so I cant make a call.
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lastdecember said:

BlaqueKnight said:




Are you serious? You can't even begin to compare Cassie's lame ass to Vanity. Holla at me when that lil' no-singing chick learns how to work a stage. ALL she has is looks. No singing ability, no stage presence. NONE. She shouldn't be on the stage for any other reason that to escort a real singer onto the stage at a damn awards show.. She is a marketing ploy that is coasting off her looks and that "single" is GARBAGE. She has no identity. Who the hell is Cassie?


Yeah no kidding but you just described the whole freaking mainstream industry, who the hell isnt a package in the mainstream, are you kidding me, and Vanity was talented? wow can we stop looking at everything through Prince colored glasses, she was an empty shell without him and barely anything with him. You can pretty much put that who is cassie rant on everyone from Rihanna and then go down the freaking line, lets get real already. Im not saying give her props for anything but her looks, but dont start this dreamworld where she is the only one, drop the double standards


I have to agree with you. Cassie is just doing what 75% of the females in the
industry are doing selling an image. I listened to a sneak preview of mariah
carey's new cd and touch my body is by far the best song on the album. Everything else with the exception of the final track sounds like the norm in the industry today and that is to ride the flavor of the moment. I love mariah but she has fallen victim to what's mainstream now as well.
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Reply #22 posted 04/12/08 8:39pm

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Isn't Magic City hiring?
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Damn magic city go straight to dvd porn. lol
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lastdecember said:



Yeah no kidding but you just described the whole freaking mainstream industry, who the hell isnt a package in the mainstream, are you kidding me, and Vanity was talented? wow can we stop looking at everything through Prince colored glasses, she was an empty shell without him and barely anything with him. You can pretty much put that who is cassie rant on everyone from Rihanna and then go down the freaking line, lets get real already. Im not saying give her props for anything but her looks, but dont start this dreamworld where she is the only one, drop the double standards


I have to agree with you. Cassie is just doing what 75% of the females in the
industry are doing selling an image. I listened to a sneak preview of mariah
carey's new cd and touch my body is by far the best song on the album. Everything else with the exception of the final track sounds like the norm in the industry today and that is to ride the flavor of the moment. I love mariah but she has fallen victim to what's mainstream now as well.


Agreed, its all about a package and how to sell it. The industry for the most part is 2 different things, ARTISTS/MUSICIANS and MEDIA STARS/PACKAGES, its that simple. To debate Cassie,Christina Milian,Ashanti,Rihanna etc is just a matter of debating who can catch you more with their hook at the time. They are packages put together to sell plain and simple, dont give it more credit than that, and if it doesnt work and sell for the "owners" than on to the next package. And unless they actually write they aint getting paid for their music case closed on that, i dont care how many top 10's Rihanna has had so far, the fact is she didnt put pen to paper and she gets ZERO of the airplay money, which means she aint making jack shit at the end of the day, and the problem is that what she is doing can be done over by another pretty girl that is getting signed at a label right now, thats how it works. So im not going to debate Cassie,Rihanna,Ashanti etc... because thats really not a debate about Music, a music debate would be Stevie Wonder George Michael and David Bowie etcc..

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Reply #25 posted 04/13/08 12:51pm

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Well put. Vanity wasn't that talented either. She was basically a one hit
artist with a couple of b movies to her credit. A more appropriate example
to compare to larry blackmon would have been klymaxx's drummer and
personality bernadette cooper.
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Even within the scope of media stars, there are degrees of talent.
Beyoncé is a media star but she comes with the incredible vocal and performance skills. She's someone you could bet the future money on. Then you have your Myas, Ameries, Nicoles, Ciaras and so on that have different degrees of talent but who specialize in different things - some better dancers and stage performers and some better singers. Ashanti has made a very noticeable improvment in her singing and also takes small acting roles, for example. Thery're never going to be HUGE but they weigh in their perspective markets and go up and down according to the fickle music market.
Then you have the Cassies and Rihannas and such. Rihanna is a gimmick that just hasn't worn off yet because they keep giving her strong tracks to carry her and Cassie shouldn't even be in the business. She's on par with Lumidee. Even within the scope of media marketing, there are sure bets and there are chance cards...and then there's gimmick money. That's where Cassie stands. She's out there to help sell merchandise rather than off any talent whatsoever other than looking good.
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I think its quite pleasant and cute. Its pretty teenibopper stuff though, so why slag her off when the song seems more for kids then adults LOL. Got that Michael Jacksonesque beatboxing LOL

Still sounds high school musical though, but I have no idea who her target audience is, and as I said, its cute enough, with the thick synths in the background, always a nice touch after that horrible Pharrel era of skeletol production techniques that sounded too much like ringtones or demo's.

Its nice enough. Not bad.
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Even within the scope of media stars, there are degrees of talent.
Beyoncé is a media star but she comes with the incredible vocal and performance skills. She's someone you could bet the future money on. Then you have your Myas, Ameries, Nicoles, Ciaras and so on that have different degrees of talent but who specialize in different things - some better dancers and stage performers and some better singers. Ashanti has made a very noticeable improvment in her singing and also takes small acting roles, for example. Thery're never going to be HUGE but they weigh in their perspective markets and go up and down according to the fickle music market.
Then you have the Cassies and Rihannas and such. Rihanna is a gimmick that just hasn't worn off yet because they keep giving her strong tracks to carry her and Cassie shouldn't even be in the business. She's on par with Lumidee. Even within the scope of media marketing, there are sure bets and there are chance cards...and then there's gimmick money. That's where Cassie stands. She's out there to help sell merchandise rather than off any talent whatsoever other than looking good.


Well its all about selling merchandise if you are in media, which is why i dont think the term artist should be used till prove is given that you can survive when shit dont sell, everyone mentioned can function without there "music" selling because of endorsements, im sure if we look at bank accounts of someone like Rihanna who has 2 gold records and a platnum record and half a dozen top 10's that she isnt bringing in any money from her music despite that "success", since she is not putting pen to paper, which at the end of the day, if you SUCK at writing or singing, that is your social security. As we all know radio play is only good if you wrote the song.

I think everyone is in for a rude awakening as the next decade rolls in, as Billy Joel said when inducting John Mellencamp into the RRHOF, "its not about selling records, cause we all know, no one sells records anymore". And thats the state of it right now, the Music industry long ago Merged with Media, thanks to people we do praise as being Icons, like Prince MJ Madonna and Janet, i feel that as much influence they have had, they are also to blame for "music's downfall too"

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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I think its quite pleasant and cute. Its pretty teenibopper stuff though, so why slag her off when the song seems more for kids then adults LOL. Got that Michael Jacksonesque beatboxing LOL

Still sounds high school musical though, but I have no idea who her target audience is, and as I said, its cute enough, with the thick synths in the background, always a nice touch after that horrible Pharrel era of skeletol production techniques that sounded too much like ringtones or demo's.

Its nice enough. Not bad.
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The funny thing is i remember way back in the mid 80's when Debbie Gibson was breaking in, people thought she was this "mozart" because she wrote and played a keyboard and did all of this from her garage. I think had the Youtube generation existed back then alot of artists would have been ripped apart.

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