whatsgoingon said:

I don't think anyone disputes that Michael Jackson has done some great things, only that his hype surpassed his performance after 1984 or so, and that it's hard to watch the decline of someone so talented.

I said it before, but we don't want to dislike him. We were all into him. It's just that he lost grips on what it was that made him special in the first place.

lol @ ElectricBlue.

If you don't know shit, don't act like you do.

Michael never claimed to have invented the moonwalk and has always admitted he was taught it. All though I don't think he was said who taught him.

Michael did write the groove for Billie Jean. What sort of ear do you have if you think those two grooves are the same? I suggest you practise your music aural skills and train your ear better if you want to make credible claims that two pieces of music sound the same.

Michael never claimed to have the first black video on MTV, but the first black video that was put on regular rotation on MTV.

Don't put words in Michael's mouth. Do your research next time. You look like a toss when you start talking shit and can't back it up.

ElectricBlue said:

Another funny thing is as an example is the "live" USA for Africa, everyone just showed up and did their parts. One or a few takes. Everyone except Michael, he was the only one to do his over & over and that footage we see in the video is him lip syncing.

The guy is really all smoke & mirrors. A house of cards that has basially fallen.

ElectricBlue said:

CORRECTION: According to MTV & VH-1 themselves, Michael's Billie Jean was the first black video on MTV. Prince's Little Red Corvette was the second black video on MTV.

As far as first video from a rap act on MTV, RUN-DMC has the honor with Rock Box.

TonyVanDam said:

I was watching MTV alot in 1982 and I can tell you that I *NEVER* saw Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five's "The Message" video on that channel.Why would they show a rap video (!) first,before a black artist like Michael and Prince,who actually came out with rock songs ("Beat It","Little Red Corvette")? At that time,MTV only played rock videos.

midnightmover said:

lmao it was a joke you stupid idiot.

thats what came to mind as soon as i saw the title

OfftheWall said:

Errr, sorry, your post consisted of the clip and one word, "piano". No emoticon, no comment, no nothing. You have an MJ avatar, and someone else had already posted posed photographs as serious evidence, so if you were joking, you didn't do a very good job of it. In future, I suggest you leave the comedy to more skilled practitioners.
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krayzie said:

Oh really freak

I have always wondered why reporters & freaks like you never do research when it comes to music and michael jackson promotion company claims. I have notice that the white media has rewritten history when it comes to him. They gave him credit for things he didnt do first. These message boards are polluted with this!

All the way up to 2003 in the Martin Bashir Interview, Michael was bragging about "creating" the groove for Billie Jean.

- Facts: Billie Jean

Hall & Oates released in 1981 "I Can't Go For That" - Listen to the first minute of this song.. the Bassline, the Groove.. even where the interesting sounds come in match... 1982's Billie Jean. The only difference is Quincy & MJ sped up their version a 1/2 a second.

Hall & Oates 1981 - I Can't Go For That

http://www.youtube.com/wa...EZZK5Wvnbk

Michael Jackson 1982 - Billie Jean

http://www.youtube.com/wa...9_ZP8HMz6Y

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- Facts: Moonwalk

When the media & freak "fans" write stuff like this 25 years later and dont do research is the reason why this guy gets credit for a moment he didnt do anything but copy a Dance Move called "The Backslide".

The Backslide/Moonwalk was ON TV in 1979 from a known dance group Electric Boogaloo on Soul Train. The exact dance move.

The Backslide/Moonwalk was on TV again in 1982 with Shalamar's Jeffery Daniels moonwalking on Top of the Pops in a song "A Night To Remember".

The Backslide/Moonwalk was IN MOVIES in April 1983 from Mr Wiggles in the Movie Flashdance. Compare his Backslide using a unbrella to Michael Jackson's Moonwalk on Motown 25 released May 16th, 1983.. Night & Day and yes it was in Pop Culture in the mainstream before MJ's "transcendent moment in pop history"

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- Facts: Race - ie: First Black Video on MTV

Michael Jackson has said he is the first black video on MTV. This has polluted the mainstream way way waaay to long! This has been written so many times, no one checks their facts and its just rewritten over & over.

1982 Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five "The Message" was the first black video on MTV in October of 1982.

1982 Prince & The Revolution - "1999" was the first black artist in heavy rotation on MTV in October of 1982

1983 Prince & The Revolution - "Little Red Corvette" was the first black artist to have 2 videos and clearly more then a one hit wonder for the station... February 1983

-THEN Michael Jackson's "Beat It" was released on MTV in March of 1983.
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- Music Comeback after his "personal problems" * MTV 1995 - 15 minutes Long and ALL LIP Synced. He even did something even odder... Kurt Loder reported on the Post-Show that Michael had a "Cheering Applause Track" with the Lip Sync Track! Kurt in fairness said he didnt need it because people clapped.. BUT MJ is so calculated that He & his Record Label wanted to FOOL the Public at home.. that he puts a Pre-Taped Cheering Track? wow pretty sad

SoulAlive said:

Exactly. It makes you wonder where the hell ElectricBlue is getting his information from when he's piss.

OfftheWall said:

Errr, sorry, your post consisted of the clip and one word, "piano". No emoticon, no comment, no nothing. You have an MJ avatar, and someone else had already posted posed photographs as serious evidence, so if you were joking, you didn't do a very good job of it. In future, I suggest you leave the comedy to more skilled practitioners.
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people why do you fight?
we are here to discuss wheater michael jackson can play instruments,we are not here ot offend each other

what could he do.
do you think michael jackson is capable of laying drum,keyboard bass and guitar parts on track.
could he make album all alone ?

michael is credited on his records for playing instruments but im not sure he realy does play anything in studio.

if he does tell me at what minute what song i can hear michael jacksons instrumental input in his songs/

ElectricBlue said:

Okay.....

-The only reason people say Michael invented the moonwalk is because they don't know much about bboying/breakdancing and he was the first to truly do it on a major platform. He also added his own interpretation of it. If you look at Jeffery Daniels and others do it before, it looks slightly different.
Michael NEVER took credit and just for the record ElectricBlue, the backslide has been around as early as the 1930s.

-Your whole theory about MTV is VERY inaccurate. The Message was not the first black video. In fact, MTV didn't play rap videos until 1984 or so.

-The whole 1995 performance was lipsynched but there wasn't a cheering applause track added. There's a track of a girl shrieking, but that's it.

I ain't gonna waste my time with the rest of that other bullshit

I've never seen James Brown play keys, but I think he started to play keys when he became to old to dance...

Playing instruments has never been the main focus of his performances...

My point is, James Brown never made a point of playing instruments on stage. Not until he was too old to dance. Yet he's still respected, especially on the org, as a musician. So if it's not important that James Brown played every instrument he possibly could on stage, yet it is for Michael?