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bboy87 said: midnightmover said: I know how great James was, and it's devious the way that MJ fan only showed the weakest footage of James against the best footage of Mike, but I still rank Mike higher. As great as James was, his dancing was all in his feet. The variations he had on that were incredible, but it was still 95% just foot shuffling, whereas Michael used his entire body. They are the two best dancers in musical history. Third place goes to MC Hammer. It's a close thing but Mike at his peak was number one. Look at Smooth Criminal or the Grammys '88. He was incredible. The TAMI show had a lot of energy, but I actually think James's dancing got better afterwards. That "There Was A Time" performance from a few years later is a great example. Those multiple splits in the TAMI show looked messy to me. Energy is one thing. Finesse is another. He got more finesse as he got older. I don't think floecist did that intentionally. IMO James never really had a weak moment. Then again, JB's one of my idols so I'm a little biased 
[Edited 3/22/08 9:18am] I didn't mean floetcist, I meant the person who made the compilation. They used over twenty different MJ sources, but only two or three less impressive JB sources from which they culled the weakest moments. Someone like floetcist will come along, watch that, not realize it's a set-up, and conclude that MJ's a much better dancer than JB, which is not the case. Although I give the edge to MJ, there's not that much in it, but if you just watched that clip you'd think MJ was miles better. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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papaaisaway said: OTHER THAN IRONY...
Subtelty, and a sense of humour. What else is lost on you?
midnightmover said: some bool Oh, so you were being ironic when you said he sang in tune? 
I think we can interpret that as an admission that he sounded like shit. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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bboy87 said: I don't think floecist did that intentionally. IMO James never really had a weak moment. Then again, JB's one of my idols so I'm a little biased
[Edited 3/22/08 9:18am] One thing about James though. He could improvise all these variations on the spot. Mike improvises the combinations and things, but you can see he's practised certain moves and so he does them repeatedly, but James had an endless variety of different steps he could do all within the same principle. There's no way he could have practised every one of those steps. That really is genius. btw, I hate the way they dubbed that non-stop screaming onto the TAMI Show. It's there for all the artists, not just James, and it's annoying. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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floetcist said: I know this might be a controversial opinion because James Brown is the Original, but does anyone think that Michael Jackson might have been a tad bit of a better dancer than he was in their prime? Don't chop my head off please..
micheal jackson still incorporate mr browns moves into his dace routine so the answer is no.james is still number 1.For example...  | |
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midnightmover said: I always thought MJ surpassed James dance-wise, but that clip you posted comparing them is a joke. Not only does it show much more MJ footage than James, taken from a lot more different sources, but it deliberately shows the weakest James Brown footage. Talk about a set-up. MJ fans can't even be trusted to make fair videos.
HEY NOW! I did not make that video  edit. Okay its all good, I just wanted to say that. But I'll have you know I've see a decent amount of James Brown footage before that, which is why in the original post I said 'just a tad bit better'. And whilst I was watching that video in the back of my mind I acknowledged that they weren't using any different JB videos at all. The uploader said they were a fan of both and it was a tribute, take it or leave it [Edited 3/23/08 1:16am] White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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bboy87 said: midnightmover said: I know how great James was, and it's devious the way that MJ fan only showed the weakest footage of James against the best footage of Mike, but I still rank Mike higher. As great as James was, his dancing was all in his feet. The variations he had on that were incredible, but it was still 95% just foot shuffling, whereas Michael used his entire body. They are the two best dancers in musical history. Third place goes to MC Hammer. It's a close thing but Mike at his peak was number one. Look at Smooth Criminal or the Grammys '88. He was incredible. The TAMI show had a lot of energy, but I actually think James's dancing got better afterwards. That "There Was A Time" performance from a few years later is a great example. Those multiple splits in the TAMI show looked messy to me. Energy is one thing. Finesse is another. He got more finesse as he got older. I don't think floecist did that intentionally. IMO James never really had a weak moment. Then again, JB's one of my idols so I'm a little biased
[Edited 3/22/08 9:18am] That was HOT! I wish the quality was better. Every time he makes those noises though I keep thinking of Eddie Murphy  I can never watch 'Shes Out Of My Life' performances anymore because of him either.White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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I think the more pressing question is what's more important? Being the first to do something, or be the best at it? Like, what's the best PC? the Apple II or the 2008 Mac Pro? I think a lot of people will be inclined to say JB's the best, because he was the first. But MJ is undeniably technically a better dancer than JB. His body moves better. IMO he could improvise better than JB. Although both were very good at that. I just think MJ is (was) pretty flawless in his dancing. Watch Motown 25 or the 1995 MTV VMA's. He doesn't step a toe out of line. He's never behind or ahead of the beat. There's no awkwardness between steps. He flows so naturally from one step into another. He's a really good dancer and I don't think you have to be the first to do something to be the best at it. | |
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Michael is the greatest dancer ever. Period. | |
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Michael absolutely blew me away in 1983, but I was never moved much beyond that. Sure he's great, but he made too big a deal of it and the performance as a whole. It took away from him being a singer who danced well and made him a spectacle.
With James, the dancing was just part of the music. No one aspect of his performance seemed forced or false (except the cape thing which was great anyway)
Maybe purely for dance Michael's better, but they're musicians first, and I judge what serves the music best. [Edited 3/24/08 14:38pm] My Legacy
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I'll say this again: comparing Michael and James is like comparing steak to chicken. You just can't rightly compare them. | |
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Timmy84 said: I'll say this again: comparing Michael and James is like comparing steak to chicken. You just can't rightly compare them.
I'm guessing James is the steak  My Legacy
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NDRU said: Timmy84 said: I'll say this again: comparing Michael and James is like comparing steak to chicken. You just can't rightly compare them.
I'm guessing James is the steak   The T-Bone kind, Michael's the Sirloin. T-Bone's my favorite too.  | |
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Timmy84 said: I'll say this again: comparing Michael and James is like comparing steak to chicken. You just can't rightly compare them.
Indeed. They're brilliant in such different ways that it's a losing game trying to compare them. I have to say though, James's style boggles my mind the most. I understand what Michael does. You can decipher it and figure it out, but James's style is so free-form that you can't begin to fathom how the hell he does it. Now that he's dead, I guess we'll never get the skinny on how he evolved it either. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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