lastdecember said:

Aretha's too busy destroying cheeseburgers and hot dogs and chicken wings to think the Grammies would do that. She's such a fucking biter.

I'm gonna fuck around and call Tina the "original queen of soul". She will be hearing from me!

Rodya24 said:

Well, I qualified it. "Soul" like Aretha and Gladys? No. "Soul" as in "R&B"? Sure, why not? The same goes with Janet. Just because they crossed over (immediately in Whitney's case) doesn't mean they aren't R&B.

AlexdeParis said:

OK. I disagree, but I do not want to get into a long debate. I just think both Houston and Jackson are pop. Perhaps a stronger argument could be made about Houston. I certainly can understand why some would call Jackson a soul artist, but I am not so sure about Houston.

As for the subject of this thread, Aretha Franklin needs to chill.

Rodya24 said:

It's not an either/or thing. You can be both pop and R&B (because pop is just popular). Both Janet and Whitney have a substantial base with R&B listeners. They've had R&B radio support from the very beginning (something Janet didn't get from pop radio until her third album).

It's not just about race, either. Seal has made almost no inroads in the R&B market and Jon B couldn't get played on pop radio. OTOH, artists like Whitney, Janet, Michael, and Prince get significant play on both.
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AlexdeParis said:

LOL. I just disagree in particular about Houston; I never saw her as an R&B star. Can we just agree to disagree?

Rodya24 said:

Maybe not a strict R&B star but certainly she's made inroads no? I mean there is a hell of a difference between Dance with Somebody and Heartbreak Hotel Guarantee the later did not chart as pop

Rodya24 said:

No. OK, I'm just playing, but this is the second time you've asked me to just stop discussing something. What's up with that?

Anyway, every physical single Whitney released in the '80s made the R&B top 5. "Thinking About You" even made the top 10 on radio play alone. She's a pop and R&B star regardless of how people try to pigeonhole her.

Aretha should worry about making sure her tities fit her dress.and make sure that fiance of hers won't clean out her nest and bank.




bitter women , lawd

Damn...you'd think by her age she'd have more control of her ego and not be so concerned with silly, media labels. Shouldn't it be enough to just KNOW that she could blow Tina off the stage with her voice. No disrespect to Tina of course, I actually prefer Tina's music to Aretha's but Aretha can definitely outsing her.

They could learn a lot from prince.org. There's nary a problem with all our queens.

Fauxie said:

98% of us totally get along!

Tuls101 said:

Aretha's arrogance is so sick because she has a great voice, she don't have to do it but I bet if Beyonce gave her some food, she wouldn't say nothing.

Timmy84 said:

That was so wrong....but felt so right.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I just disagree. I find her entire career -- who she works with and what songs she sings -- to be directed towards the mainstream. R&B and Hip Hop have become mainstream -- Pop. She does whatever is popular. Dance (*shudders* at Houston doing dance music), ballads, R&B, etc. Hence, I see her as a pop artist.

AlexdeParis said:

I just disagree. You can continue discussing this. I just disagree. People can have different opinions.

Rodya24 said:

I think of Whitney as basically a pop artist with a pretty soulful voice. IMO she ushered in the era of the "wannabe" soul singers (Blige, Carey, Aguilera etc). The ones who think shouting is singing soulfully. There is no doubt Whitney at her peak knew how to use her instrument the right way. Some of her material may have been a little watered down but damn....that voice....the fact that she could make gut wrenching, pap like Saving All My Love For You and Greatest Love Of All actually sound good means somethin.
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Timmy84 said:

You're going to stop making me laugh at a legend. DAMN YOU.

You're right though.

She can't be mad at Bigonce. It's not like Big came up with all of that.

We all know the chick can't read or write.

Tuls101 said:

Of course, she has a fantastic voice. But like you I see her as a pop artist.

Damn, the hate for Ree Ree is strong in this thread!

cuts the hate with a knife

Is this the first time the Org put aside its hate for Beyonce to hate on ARETHA FRANKLIN?!




Oh yeah, fuck Beyonce

Tuls101 said:

Where's Vainandy when you need him?

bboy87 said:

And Najee. Where is Vainandy and Najee? I need them in this thread.

Tuls101 said:

Then she'd be her new BFF!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

you mean BLT?

I KNEW somebody would have this up by the time I got to work this morning

Anxiety said:

OOPS! Typo

I meant BFFBLT. She would have just wrapped Bigonce in that bacon cuz surely that little sammich could never tame the beast within

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I'll admit, that introduction confused me for a second.

I honestly thought some bastard was gonna make Reetha work those steps.

I just can't believe Aretha would actually take the time out to release a statement about this, shows how petty she is. And they call Diana a diva . I think Aretha got her beat in that department.

Cinnamon234 said:

You got that right. Again, I feel like taking back what I said about Ms. Ross, lol! Even she doesn't go public like that.