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Thread started 02/09/08 8:05am

DarlingDiana

WTF?!?! Sony & IFPI recertify MJ's albums; top 5 albums in history and a billion records sold in total

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Sony & IFPI have recertified MJ's worldwide album and singles sales and official numbers are to be released soon. According to fans who claim to have the numbers before they are officially announced to the public, MJ now has the top 5 selling albums in history and his total record sales are now roughly a billion. These is now, apparently, the top 5 best selling albums in worldwide history....

1. Michael Jackson - Thriller (104 million)
2. Michael Jackson - Dangerous (54 million)
3. Michael Jackson - Bad (52 million)
4. Michael Jackson - Off The Wall (51 million)
5. Michael Jackson - HIStory (50 million)
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6. Whitney Houston - The Bodyguard (42 million)


It looks like BS to me. HIStory's number could be legit because for multi-disc albums over a certain length in time, each disc is 1 sale. So it could've sold 25 million copies, making it 50 million discs. That's not farfetched. And Dangerous and Bad were very, very popular and have sold a lot more than the outdated 1997 certifications by Sony. But I don't think they've sold quite that much. And now way has Off The Wall sold that much. There's no other source for these figures besides MJ fan forums so I guess we have to wait until Sony release the official figures to see if they are for real or not. Even then it's doubtful since the figures are coming from his record company, who want to promote him and his music.
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Reply #1 posted 02/09/08 8:34am

midnightmover

Since you know this is bullshit, and anyone with a brain knows it's bullshit, why are you wasting our time with it? Have you read this?

http://prince.org/msg/3/260613
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Reply #2 posted 02/09/08 8:36am

DarlingDiana

midnightmover said:

Since you know this is bullshit, and anyone with a brain knows it's bullshit, why are you wasting our time with it? Have you read this?

http://prince.org/msg/3/260613

I don't know it's BS. I think it would be interesting to discuss. MJ's albums haven't been certified in ages. I'm interested to know what other people think his albums sales would be if Sony certified them now. What do you think would be the official numbers?
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Reply #3 posted 02/09/08 8:39am

2Jay

who gives AF?!?!
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Reply #4 posted 02/09/08 8:40am

midnightmover

DarlingDiana said:

midnightmover said:

Since you know this is bullshit, and anyone with a brain knows it's bullshit, why are you wasting our time with it? Have you read this?

http://prince.org/msg/3/260613

I don't know it's BS. I think it would be interesting to discuss. MJ's albums haven't been certified in ages. I'm interested to know what other people think his albums sales would be if Sony certified them now. What do you think would be the official numbers?

Like I said before, anyone with a brain knows this is BS. To discuss it is to dignify it. I don't dignify nonsense. Again, have you read this?

http://prince.org/msg/3/260613
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Reply #5 posted 02/09/08 8:40am

midnightmover

2Jay said:

who gives AF?!?!

That's the other point. lol
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Reply #6 posted 02/09/08 8:55am

DarlingDiana

midnightmover said:

DarlingDiana said:


I don't know it's BS. I think it would be interesting to discuss. MJ's albums haven't been certified in ages. I'm interested to know what other people think his albums sales would be if Sony certified them now. What do you think would be the official numbers?

Like I said before, anyone with a brain knows this is BS. To discuss it is to dignify it. I don't dignify nonsense. Again, have you read this?

http://prince.org/msg/3/260613

I replied in that thread. Which tells me, it's you who hasn't read it. At least not recently.

But whatever, delete this if people are going to get uptight. I don't give a puck with a p. I just thought some mofos would be interested in this. It could be true. It's not that farfetched.
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Reply #7 posted 02/09/08 9:58am

Timmy84

You know what I smell? I smell...BULLSHIT! biggrin

LOL! It's funny how they can claim the IFPI/Sony can really re-certify that stuff when in truth there's no real estimate if they in fact sold that much.
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Reply #8 posted 02/09/08 11:48am

Cinnamon234

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Who cares? Seriously, why is this even news lol.
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Reply #9 posted 02/09/08 11:52am

Timmy84

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Who cares? Seriously, why is this even news lol.


I don't have a fucking clue! evillol

It's sad how Michael's career has been all about sales. It's overshadow the thing that makes Mike great - his performances on record and on stage.
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Reply #10 posted 02/09/08 12:13pm

fcukthepolice

Record sales mean nothing.It's just money to the pimps in the music industry.

A product's sales are no indication of it's quality.
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Reply #11 posted 02/09/08 12:54pm

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Dang, ya'll didn't have to go off on DarlingDiana like that confused
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Reply #12 posted 02/09/08 1:03pm

Timmy84

bboy87 said:

Dang, ya'll didn't have to go off on DarlingDiana like that confused


Well I wasn't, lol. Like I said, I smelled bullshit on those sales reports. I still don't believe Thriller did 104 million, lol.
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Reply #13 posted 02/09/08 1:34pm

cream72

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

Dang, ya'll didn't have to go off on DarlingDiana like that confused


Well I wasn't, lol. Like I said, I smelled bullshit on those sales reports. I still don't believe Thriller did 104 million, lol.


I agree, they want to keep mike as the best selling artist ever he may be that but them figures are bullshit.
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Reply #14 posted 02/09/08 5:22pm

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Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

Dang, ya'll didn't have to go off on DarlingDiana like that confused


Well I wasn't, lol. Like I said, I smelled bullshit on those sales reports. I still don't believe Thriller did 104 million, lol.


whether you believe it or not its gonna become fact when sony decides to release the figures it backs up the claims etc and there is nothing anyone can do about it but moan that they are made up lol

also i agree its a shame that people focus so much on figures when it comes to michael
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Reply #15 posted 02/09/08 5:50pm

Timmy84

b3xy said:

Timmy84 said:



Well I wasn't, lol. Like I said, I smelled bullshit on those sales reports. I still don't believe Thriller did 104 million, lol.


whether you believe it or not its gonna become fact when sony decides to release the figures it backs up the claims etc and there is nothing anyone can do about it but moan that they are made up lol

also i agree its a shame that people focus so much on figures when it comes to michael


Well it is. hah!
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Reply #16 posted 02/09/08 6:07pm

WildStyle

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Not far fetched. Maybe people forget how big that dude really was/is.
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Reply #17 posted 02/09/08 6:09pm

Timmy84

WildStyle said:

Not far fetched. Maybe people forget how big that dude really was/is.


He big but is he really? Funny we ain't got no source. evillol
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Reply #18 posted 02/10/08 5:17am

CandaceS

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Timmy84 said:


It's sad how Michael's career has been all about sales. It's overshadow the thing that makes Mike great - his performances on record and on stage.


Well, since he hasn't performed or put out a song in years, I guess the sales figures are the only thing left to celebrate?!
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Reply #19 posted 02/10/08 9:45am

SoulAlive

Timmy84 said:

It's sad how Michael's career has been all about sales. It's overshadow the thing that makes Mike great - his performances on record and on stage.


I agree,and this is largely his own fault.He has spent much of his post-Thriller career focusing mainly on record sales and being the "King of Pop".Many of his fans buy into the hype,and that's why we constantly have threads like this,lol.
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Reply #20 posted 02/10/08 10:41am

motownlover

i believe that thriller has sold around 55 - 60 mil records world wide and its the biggest selling album of all time and no one is going to catch him up. its a milestone and a curse at once because he was going for being popular after thriller instead of being the best he could be
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Reply #21 posted 02/10/08 12:15pm

Timmy84

SoulAlive said:

Timmy84 said:

It's sad how Michael's career has been all about sales. It's overshadow the thing that makes Mike great - his performances on record and on stage.


I agree,and this is largely his own fault.He has spent much of his post-Thriller career focusing mainly on record sales and being the "King of Pop".Many of his fans buy into the hype,and that's why we constantly have threads like this,lol.


Yep and the problem with that is that it'll probably continued until Michael says "shut the hell up about it and focus on my art", lol. He's too nice to say that though, lol.
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Reply #22 posted 02/10/08 12:24pm

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motownlover said:

i believe that thriller has sold around 55 - 60 mil records world wide and its the biggest selling album of all time and no one is going to catch him up. its a milestone and a curse at once because he was going for being popular after thriller instead of being the best he could be

I can´t estimate how much he could have sold, but I have been seeing and hearing about this 50 million figure for Thriller since the 80´s so it should be more, much more by now. Guiness certified it as 104 million sold recently, so who knows.
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Reply #23 posted 02/10/08 12:36pm

Timmy84

dag said:

motownlover said:

i believe that thriller has sold around 55 - 60 mil records world wide and its the biggest selling album of all time and no one is going to catch him up. its a milestone and a curse at once because he was going for being popular after thriller instead of being the best he could be

I can´t estimate how much he could have sold, but I have been seeing and hearing about this 50 million figure for Thriller since the 80´s so it should be more, much more by now. Guiness certified it as 104 million sold recently, so who knows.
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They also said inside their 2008 book that Thriller confirmed to have done 55 million "but Michael's representatives claimed it did over 100 million". So the confusion continues.
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Reply #24 posted 02/10/08 5:13pm

CandaceS

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Timmy84 said:

dag said:


I can´t estimate how much he could have sold, but I have been seeing and hearing about this 50 million figure for Thriller since the 80´s so it should be more, much more by now. Guiness certified it as 104 million sold recently, so who knows.
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They also said inside their 2008 book that Thriller confirmed to have done 55 million "but Michael's representatives claimed it did over 100 million". So the confusion continues.


I'm thinking this confusion is deliberate, part of the effort to convince people that Sony vastly underreported his sales in order to shortchange him on his royalties... shrug
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Reply #25 posted 02/12/08 12:40am

marnifrances

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DarlingDiana said:

From MJJC.

Sony & IFPI have recertified MJ's worldwide album and singles sales and official numbers are to be released soon. According to fans who claim to have the numbers before they are officially announced to the public, MJ now has the top 5 selling albums in history and his total record sales are now roughly a billion. These is now, apparently, the top 5 best selling albums in worldwide history....

1. Michael Jackson - Thriller (104 million)
2. Michael Jackson - Dangerous (54 million)
3. Michael Jackson - Bad (52 million)
4. Michael Jackson - Off The Wall (51 million)
5. Michael Jackson - HIStory (50 million)
.....
6. Whitney Houston - The Bodyguard (42 million)


It looks like BS to me. HIStory's number could be legit because for multi-disc albums over a certain length in time, each disc is 1 sale. So it could've sold 25 million copies, making it 50 million discs. That's not farfetched. And Dangerous and Bad were very, very popular and have sold a lot more than the outdated 1997 certifications by Sony. But I don't think they've sold quite that much. And now way has Off The Wall sold that much. There's no other source for these figures besides MJ fan forums so I guess we have to wait until Sony release the official figures to see if they are for real or not. Even then it's doubtful since the figures are coming from his record company, who want to promote him and his music.


Can you post the link for this? I can't find it anywhere on MJJC, even with entire post searches. Thanks smile
www.maximum-jackson.com
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Reply #26 posted 02/12/08 12:46am

DarlingDiana

marnifrances said:

DarlingDiana said:

From MJJC.

Sony & IFPI have recertified MJ's worldwide album and singles sales and official numbers are to be released soon. According to fans who claim to have the numbers before they are officially announced to the public, MJ now has the top 5 selling albums in history and his total record sales are now roughly a billion. These is now, apparently, the top 5 best selling albums in worldwide history....

1. Michael Jackson - Thriller (104 million)
2. Michael Jackson - Dangerous (54 million)
3. Michael Jackson - Bad (52 million)
4. Michael Jackson - Off The Wall (51 million)
5. Michael Jackson - HIStory (50 million)
.....
6. Whitney Houston - The Bodyguard (42 million)


It looks like BS to me. HIStory's number could be legit because for multi-disc albums over a certain length in time, each disc is 1 sale. So it could've sold 25 million copies, making it 50 million discs. That's not farfetched. And Dangerous and Bad were very, very popular and have sold a lot more than the outdated 1997 certifications by Sony. But I don't think they've sold quite that much. And now way has Off The Wall sold that much. There's no other source for these figures besides MJ fan forums so I guess we have to wait until Sony release the official figures to see if they are for real or not. Even then it's doubtful since the figures are coming from his record company, who want to promote him and his music.


Can you post the link for this? I can't find it anywhere on MJJC, even with entire post searches. Thanks smile
They deleted because of lack of sources.
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Reply #27 posted 02/12/08 4:50am

midnightmover

DarlingDiana said:

marnifrances said:



Can you post the link for this? I can't find it anywhere on MJJC, even with entire post searches. Thanks smile
They deleted because of lack of sources.

falloff What a surprise. I suggest we do the same and delete this dumb-ass thread immediately. Let this serve as an example to other MJ fans. Use your brains in future and do not expect others to eat the same bullshit sandwiches you find so tasty.
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Reply #28 posted 02/12/08 6:53am

marnifrances

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DarlingDiana said:

marnifrances said:



Can you post the link for this? I can't find it anywhere on MJJC, even with entire post searches. Thanks smile
They deleted because of lack of sources.


Thanks for that. smile
www.maximum-jackson.com
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Reply #29 posted 02/12/08 8:52am

Timmy84

CandaceS said:

Timmy84 said:



They also said inside their 2008 book that Thriller confirmed to have done 55 million "but Michael's representatives claimed it did over 100 million". So the confusion continues.


I'm thinking this confusion is deliberate, part of the effort to convince people that Sony vastly underreported his sales in order to shortchange him on his royalties... shrug


Yeah you could say that but I just don't know... I know Mike sold a massive amount of records but I don't know if all those numbers are accurate. I'll tell you this though: no one will sell that many records ever again.
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