midnightmover said:

Don't worry my blind fandom/obsession has caused me to buy multiple copies of each. I'll be happy to let you use them for the occassion! I even have the American Life maxi single with the Missy Elliott mix....I'll let you do the honors on that one!!

Tuls101 said:

the Paul Oakenfeild is worth the price alone.

ehuffnsd said:

That's actually a hot mix! I'll have to rip that one to my computer before I burn the rest of the CD in the mass Madonna CD burning I'm organizing.

Tuls101 said:

it was nice having you as a fan... too bad you can't get yoru money back from the talentless slut. maybe you can file a class action suit.

ehuffnsd said:

maybe! And if others follow suit we can bleed her dry until she's so broke and emotionally spent she'll never want to make music again!! HA HA HA.

Tuls101 said:

a Revolution to over throw the Queen!!!

Tuls101 said:

It's so funny how there STILL are people who think Madonna has zero talent and her 25 year old career filled with success is based on luck! Well, if they prefer the "easier" way and go with the flow because it's cool to discredit Madonna, they can...

Getting back to the article, the writer was basically praising them, but being realistic about where they are in 2008. All of them are long past their prime. However, losing it is not inevitable. There is another 50 year old right now who is still at the peak of his game. Quite frankly, he makes all three of them nowadays look like pygmys. He proves that we can indeed get better with age. Here he is.

I think that the best analogy I can make about the success of Prince, MJ and Madonna is a basketball one. Most people would consider Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, and Larry Bird to be among the greatest basketball players of all time. While most people would say that Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson were truly blessed and gifted athletes, a lot of them would say that Larry Bird wasn't particularly naturally talented. However, he made up for his physical limitations by being one of the smartest and most tenacious players on the court, and he hustled every time he was on the floor. I view Madonna's musical output in much the same way. She obviously doesn't have the vocal ability of Whitney or Mariah nor can she play instruments or write songs like Carly Simon or Carole King, but she is one of the most astute students of pop music and knows exactly what people want to hear and plays herself up to those standards.

As for the rest of the article, before this thread devolved into a Madge vs Jacko faceoff, some of the artists who put out hit music in the 1970's and 1980's are writing and performing some of their best music ever right now. The problem is that it's not poppy hit music and is hard for anyone but their most die-hard fans to get into. John Mellencamp, Peter Gabriel, Tom Petty, and even Bruce Springsteen have recently come out with their best albums in years, but their subject matter is probably too deep for the young kids who want to hear Soulja Boy and too different for the older fans who just want to hear Born In The USA, Pink Houses, Sledgehammer, or Refugee over and over again.

Rodya24 said:

I'm fully aware of when Michael started I grew up in the 70s.I was there when the Jackson Five were the hottest thing in pop music.There are many artists who are older than Madonna,and they're still going strong...touring and making music.Hell,Stevie Wonder started when he was a kid,too and he's currently out there on tour.

To this entire thread. I always knew that MJ and Madonna were both #1 and #2 for the craziest and even scariest fans in the world and this thread proves it. It's looking like WWIII in here!

purplecam said:

At least the people suffering from MJFS have a reason.

Being a Vadge fan is like being a William Hung fan.

Dance said:

Hot damn that's cold!!!!! You are right but damn!!

SoulAlive said:

I know. Michael Jackson is in a pathetic situation when compared to a number of his contemporaries from the 1960s and 1970s. However, we shall see if Madonna keeps on releasing hit albums and singles into her fourth decade in show business.

Keeps on releasing hit records?

When was the last time Vadge had a hit?

She hasn't charted since she decided to keep her sluttery behind closed doors.

She's still making money only because she played to a certain audience before others did and like Cher she can go on the road and squeeze these poor confused souls for every penny they have.

Dance said:

Your post is || this close to bigotry.

Madonna is really a cabaret act who somehow managed to find a colossal world stage. Long the beneficiary of a cowed or indulgent press so smitten by Madonna the in-your-face feminist that it takes little note of her laughable acting, mechanical dancing and bubblegum song catalogue, she has begun to resemble Mount Rushmore: a revered icon whose fundamental cheesiness goes unnoticed because she's been around so long


Been saying this for years. I am glad someone in the press is giving her a slap and he is right old stars don't have to do anything new as long as people are paying to come out and see them.

midnightmover said:

That is your opinion. I would not pay two cents to see this guy and the vast majority of the public would not do so either.

midnightmover said:

laurarichardson said:

It's too advanced for you.

I must admit though I wouldn't advise anyone to watch the video as it's depressing as hell, but the songs's great, even if this version's a bit slow. Sadly, none of the best Nick Cave stuff is on Youtube, but he's a giant. He's a succesful novelist and scriptwriter too, which tells you right away he's coming from a diferent angle to most.
[Edited 2/15/08 10:38am]

Cinnie said:

I, too, am tired of posts like that on this board.

Dance said:

Wow..and to think I simply asked someone if they were racist in another thread and I get a warning.

Speaking of confusion....for someone who seems to know it all about music (yet seemingly hates everything) I hate to be the one to inform you that Madonna had the biggest worldwide hit of her career in 2005. Her album actually debuted at number one in 29 countries, which was (probably still is) a record for a solo artist. In the end it went to number one in about 41 or 42 countries. Oh...and she tied Elvis for the artist with the most Top 10 songs in the US with Hung Up. No doubt by May this year upon the release of her new album she will be the artist with the most Top 10 songs in the US. I'll be sure to orgnote you when it happens! Someone as musically astute as you MUST stay on top of these things....get with it!!

Dance said:

Let me guess. REAL music can only have a funk/R&B groove to it and Elvis is just a thief right?? So very transparent. Poor confused and oppressed soul.
Thank God I'm not one dimensional.
[Edited 2/15/08 10:51am]

Cinnie said:

Never that.

She's pretended for years to be a certain way and USED groups of people.

Because there were so few mainstream performers acting that way many saw her differently than she actually is and supported her.

The reality is she's been playing them and continues to do so and they keep lapping it up and not seeing her for what she really is.

THAT'S, what I'm saying.

Understand?

Tuls101 said:

Yes, I'm sure all the members of her fanclub think all her songs, especially the ones she pays to get in the top 10, are hits.

And it makes sense that a chart topping person such as herself has to charge 300 a ticket to make money, which only hardcore fans will pay.

I'm sure there are lots of teeny bopper Vadge fans and casual listeners that know her newer material, cause they're such hits right, and the charts are a reflection of people's relevance.

Dance said:

Hate to break it to you Dance, but outside of the US, Madonna is still having massive hits. Hung Up was number one here in the UK for a month. Damn, I just destroyed the reputation of my entire country.

midnightmover said:

Re-read my post.

I don't buy it anyway, and even if that's true...well I won't take it there

midnightmover said:

I never understood the appeal of Hung Up. The music video is horrendous as well.

But bad dance music seems to be popular these days.

Dance said:

If I say it's true, then you can trust me it's true. Unlike so many on this website I don't distort facts or twist them to suit my interests. Of course, in orgland this makes me a total freak.

Dance said:

You can twist it and contort the facts any way you'd like. It seems you have a hard time separating your opinion from what is fact. Madonna's diehard fanbase will insure that she sells about 2-3 million copies worldwide as evidenced by her 2003 album American Life. It was seen overall as a failure, depsite selling around 3-4 million worldwide. A diehard fanbase doesn't propel an album to number one in over 40 countries as her follow up album Confessions On A Dance Floor did, a diehard fanbase doesn't generate 8-9 million in album sales worldwide as that album did making it one of world's top 5 selling albums of that year. Hell, a diehard fanbase won't even insure a Top 10 hit single in the US....just ask Janet. Feedback has struggled on the charts and is dropping (it peaked somewhere in the 50's on the Hot 100).

As far as payola goes, that's not Madonna's territory. If you know anything about the way the charts work, in the UK it's based all on sales, so the first two singles off her last album that went to number one there (Hung Up and Sorry) were the people going out and buying her single. Unlike the bias US Billboard Hot 100 which a certain percentage is based on radio airplay. Which is why her songs don't fare as well in the States these days. Radio has a hard time embracing "veteran" acts and Euro/dance sounding music. Yes, Hung Up went top ten but all subsequent singles struggled to make a dent on the Hot 100. It's worth noting though that even in the US she topped the singles sales charts (not that that means too much these days) But the US was the exception, not the rule. Everywhere else in the world her singles off of Confessions On A Dance Floor (the first 2 anyways) were huge. If Madonna were big into the "payola" thing I'm certain she wouldn't have had 3 "flop" singles in a row in the US....that's some shitty "payola" wouldn't you say?

BTW the last paragraph of your post is a complete contradiction. You sarcastically suggest that not many casual fans or teens know her new material (which in the US is true...everywhere else not so much...did you know there is a WHOLE world outside the US??) which suggests that because the teens aren't "with" her newer stuff that she's not relevant. Meaning, if they were digging her new shit they would be out buying it, correct? When mass amounts of people buy an album, doesn't that usually mean it becomes a hit on the charts?? Then you suggest charts don't reflect relevance. So which is it?

As far as her live shows go, since it's clear that you aren't a fan of hers in the least, I would assume you've never sat down and watched an entire show of hers. If you did you would know that it's not cheap to put on a spectacle like that. There are LOTS of people to pay....as others have suggested several times throughout this thread, Madonna can't do everything alone. So naturally her tickets are going to be high. As a diehard fan I don't mind that for a couple of reasons. One, she's worth it. Two, it keeps out the type of people who go to concerts just to go out for an evening because they have nothing else to do, socialize and drink. It's pretty much a given when you are paying $300 a ticket you are there for the artist. Although believe it or not that STILL doesn't keep people like that out (but it's still better than going to a show where they paid $30 to get in). BTW there are probably just as many if not more casual fans at her shows than diehards. Her diehards usually prefer her most recent stuff and the crowd only goes absolutely haywire when she does the old stuff...I should know, I've seen her five times. Also, solely diehards DON'T sell out 6 nights at Madison Square Garden.
[Edited 2/15/08 22:31pm]

dance said:


i'm so glad that this has been pointed out to me
i had been under the impression for the last 25 years that i just liked madonna's music, now i have been set straight

thanx dance