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And as for the bonus DVD, GOLDEN. Everything 20Y.O. was trying to do but totally captures Janet's light and charm. [Edited 3/1/08 21:56pm] | |
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i think its a good cd. it is not close to velvet rope or damita jo but i like it as much as janet and far more than 20 yo, which i never did come to appreciate. An individualist is a man who lives for his own sake and by his own mind; he neither sacrifices himself to others nor sacrifices others to himself... | |
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MY TWO CENTS:
- I think the album has some strong uptempo tracks - I'm loving "so muuch better" - the daft punk thing is great. - the ballads are quite weak compared to her previous albums; "with you", "i'm here", "i want you", "thinking about me ex" are much more favourable with me - discipline is nice but "take care" knocks the s*** out of it My opinions may change because i've only listened to the album twice. BTW: "LUV" is the way to go for the next single, radio friendly all over it! [Edited 2/28/08 14:38pm] | |
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sassybritches said: i think its a good cd. it is not close to velvet rope or damita jo but i like it as much as janet and far more than 20 yo, which i never did come to appreciate.
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GangstaFam said: sassybritches said: i think its a good cd. it is not close to velvet rope or damita jo but i like it as much as janet and far more than 20 yo, which i never did come to appreciate.
Dude! hey!!!!
so you have to send me your number because somehow i lost all the data stored in my phone on my trip, lol. the last time i talked to you i was searching for food in santa barbara before the tori show! good times, good times! and so much to tell you about! An individualist is a man who lives for his own sake and by his own mind; he neither sacrifices himself to others nor sacrifices others to himself... | |
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How would everyone here rank her albums from this decade?
I'd go something like this: All for You- 10/10 (my 2nd favorite Janet album) Discipline- 8/10 20 Y.O.- 8/10 Damita Jo- 7/10 Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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midnightmover said: VinnyM27 said: Calm down, Rene. Much like you ignoring Janet's songwriting, I'm going to ignore Mariah's due to low quality in lyrics. You won the arguement that is going on in your own head and that everyone else is having the good sense to ignore. Now go show your songwriting skills by apparently ghost writing for someone else and making them a star with your talent...we are still waiting for that! Sorry, but over the years Mariah has written some good, solid pop songs like "Dream Lover" and "Make It Happen". She even wrote a classic quiet storm track ("Underneath The Stars"). No-one has ever questioned her authorship of these songs. You're ignoring this 'cos it demolishes your silly argument that people are only questioning Janet's contributions because she's a woman. Last time I checked, Mariah was a woman too. As for this argument being in my head, you're obviously not very sensitive to the sands shifting under your feet. As time is going by, more and more people, including hardcore Janet fans, are coming round to my way of thinking about Rene's contributions. You are a member of a dying breed of people who still regard Janet as a serious artist. Pretty soon you will be as old fashioned as the steam train or the wax cylinder. [Edited 2/28/08 12:22pm] A hardcore Mariah fan that is calling me delusional...Three words...pot kettle black! Go back and read my previous arguemets. I said Janet is not Dylan and she isn't even Jody Wately when it comes to songwriting. You are now twisting everything I said because I have given substational proof about my arguement that Janet's lack of songwriting is noticable here. To repeat, the girliness of all Janet albums before, including the "Rene" albums like "janet" and post-Rene albums like AFY (which you haven't heard yet base off singles...wow) that is totally missing off "Discipline". Why are here? It's one thing to crticize teh album and Janet, but you should have at least heard it (as well as Janet's prior 3 albums). You claim not to be interested in Janet at all and are only here to criticize, as if that will make "Touch My Body" listenable! Go back to your to crazy scrapbook, Rene. I'm finished repeating myself. | |
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Moonbeam said: How would everyone here rank her albums from this decade?
I'd go something like this: All for You- 10/10 (my 2nd favorite Janet album) Discipline- 8/10 20 Y.O.- 8/10 Damita Jo- 7/10 damita jo discipline all for you 20 y.o. An individualist is a man who lives for his own sake and by his own mind; he neither sacrifices himself to others nor sacrifices others to himself... | |
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Moonbeam said: How would everyone here rank her albums from this decade?
I'd go something like this: All for You- 10/10 (my 2nd favorite Janet album) Discipline- 8/10 20 Y.O.- 8/10 Damita Jo- 7/10 Post Rene albums...gross! I think mine would go something like. AFY-8.5 DJ (Japanese)-8 Discipline-7.5 20Y0-6.5 | |
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daPrettyman said: TotalAlisa said: Hey PP4  ....
anyways... I don't think you should give that guy too much credit.... I just think now janet has actually lost her drive as an artist... Don't discount Rene at all. I'm not a fan of his, nor am I defending him, but there had to be some validity to his accusations. Rene was PAID very well in the divorce settlement. He supposedly co-wrote all of the hits from Control up to Velvet Rope with Jimmy and Terry. He is (almost) single-handedly responsible for the "sexy" Janet that we have all grown to love. Just because he didn't get his name in the songwriting credits on the earlier albums, doesn't mean he didn't write them. whatEVER.... i heard what Jimmy said.. he last time he checked Rene was not there when they were producing or writing those songs... did janet really know rene during control... and how did rene get involved when jimmy was doing most of the writing... THAT.. weak, ugly skinny man.. should have not recieved a dime.. i knew he was NEVER in love with janet.. cause he would not have taken all that money... for example Nick Lachey... that is a real great man... anyways.... UNLESS he was credited then. .he did NOT contribute to the project... and im going by what Jimmy said... |
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Evvy said: daPrettyman said: It wasn't a "wig". It was a WEAVE. And yes...it was UGLY! That is a WIG- that garbage was not on her head Monday for BET's 106 Park that man is trying to me.. its a weave.... when i know thats a wig... men can be hard heads at times...  |
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TotalAlisa said: Evvy said: That is a WIG- that garbage was not on her head Monday for BET's 106 Park that man is trying to me.. its a weave.... when i know thats a wig... men can be hard heads at times... I'm not going to say how I feel about u. Let's just say that u can really be a *B E E P*. Don't worry....I can b 2. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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TotalAlisa said: daPrettyman said: Don't discount Rene at all. I'm not a fan of his, nor am I defending him, but there had to be some validity to his accusations. Rene was PAID very well in the divorce settlement. He supposedly co-wrote all of the hits from Control up to Velvet Rope with Jimmy and Terry. He is (almost) single-handedly responsible for the "sexy" Janet that we have all grown to love. Just because he didn't get his name in the songwriting credits on the earlier albums, doesn't mean he didn't write them. whatEVER.... i heard what Jimmy said.. he last time he checked Rene was not there when they were producing or writing those songs... did janet really know rene during control... and how did rene get involved when jimmy was doing most of the writing... THAT.. weak, ugly skinny man.. should have not recieved a dime.. i knew he was NEVER in love with janet.. cause he would not have taken all that money... for example Nick Lachey... that is a real great man... anyways.... UNLESS he was credited then. .he did NOT contribute to the project... and im going by what Jimmy said... I heard what Jimmy said. Come on, don't u know that people in entertainment tell fibs?!?!?! They may have signed some type of disclosure OR Janet and Rene went into a room to write lyrics and Jimmy went to write music in another. No one knows...only those who were there. Another thing, Janet DID know Rene when Control was created. Janet has stated in past interviews that he was the "friend" that she turned to when she got her first divorce. That would explain why they got married around the Rhythm Nation era. BTW receive is I before E...except after C! **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: TotalAlisa said: that man is trying to me.. its a weave.... when i know thats a wig... men can be hard heads at times... I'm not going to say how I feel about u. Let's just say that u can really be a *B E E P*. Don't worry....I can b 2. you just did... but let me tell you.. i don't even know you.. NOR do i care to sit around an make opinions about you.. because its a waist of my time and you are not important enough..  |
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daPrettyman said: TotalAlisa said: whatEVER.... i heard what Jimmy said.. he last time he checked Rene was not there when they were producing or writing those songs... did janet really know rene during control... and how did rene get involved when jimmy was doing most of the writing... THAT.. weak, ugly skinny man.. should have not recieved a dime.. i knew he was NEVER in love with janet.. cause he would not have taken all that money... for example Nick Lachey... that is a real great man... anyways.... UNLESS he was credited then. .he did NOT contribute to the project... and im going by what Jimmy said... I heard what Jimmy said. Come on, don't u know that people in entertainment tell fibs?!?!?! They may have signed some type of disclosure OR Janet and Rene went into a room to write lyrics and Jimmy went to write music in another. No one knows...only those who were there. Another thing, Janet DID know Rene when Control was created. Janet has stated in past interviews that he was the "friend" that she turned to when she got her first divorce. That would explain why they got married around the Rhythm Nation era. BTW receive is I before E...except after C! BTW.. who really cares... its a stupid spelling mistake... my teachers, news papers, and even college text books have spelling errors.... SO what.... |
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TotalAlisa said: daPrettyman said: I'm not going to say how I feel about u. Let's just say that u can really be a *B E E P*. Don't worry....I can b 2. you just did... but let me tell you.. i don't even know you.. NOR do i care to sit around an make opinions about you.. because its a waist of my time and you are not important enough.. Ditto I'm sure u're a good person. No hard feelings **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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sassybritches said: GangstaFam said: Dude! hey!!!!
so you have to send me your number because somehow i lost all the data stored in my phone on my trip, lol. the last time i talked to you i was searching for food in santa barbara before the tori show! good times, good times! and so much to tell you about! I miss you like crazy!  | |
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I like Janet! | |
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daPrettyman said: TotalAlisa said: whatEVER.... i heard what Jimmy said.. he last time he checked Rene was not there when they were producing or writing those songs... did janet really know rene during control... and how did rene get involved when jimmy was doing most of the writing... THAT.. weak, ugly skinny man.. should have not recieved a dime.. i knew he was NEVER in love with janet.. cause he would not have taken all that money... for example Nick Lachey... that is a real great man... anyways.... UNLESS he was credited then. .he did NOT contribute to the project... and im going by what Jimmy said... I heard what Jimmy said. Come on, don't u know that people in entertainment tell fibs?!?!?! They may have signed some type of disclosure OR Janet and Rene went into a room to write lyrics and Jimmy went to write music in another. No one knows...only those who were there. Another thing, Janet DID know Rene when Control was created. Janet has stated in past interviews that he was the "friend" that she turned to when she got her first divorce. That would explain why they got married around the Rhythm Nation era. BTW receive is I before E...except after C! RENE WAS WITH LATOYA WHEN CONTROL WAS PRODUCED- HE WAS HER BOYFRIEND- AND ANYWAY IF HE WAS THAT DAMN TALENTED WHY DIDN'T HE WRITE SOME SONGS AND MAKE HER SOMETHING BETTER THAN A PORN STAR?-- PLEASE... CONTROLS SUCCESS WAS A COMBINATION OF JIMMY AND TERRY'S GENIOUS AND JANETS HUNGER AND DRIVE TO MAKE A NAME FOR HERSELF. and what does nick lachey have to do with anything?- he was pussy whipped- Janet let's her men control her- we know this -its no secret.. her family knows it too that's why they were sooo concerned and that's why she hides her marriages DISCIPLINES CONCEPT SUCKS BUT THE MUSIC IS GOOD -I WOULDN'T CARE IF PUFF DIDDY WROTE ALL THE SONGS- THE ONLY IMPORTANT THINGS TO ME ARE THAT JANET AND JERMAINE ARE THE ONES COUNTING THE MONEY AND THAT SHE'S TAKING HER BUTT BACK ON TOUR. LOVE HARD. | |
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why is everyone so sensitive to the possibility that Rene had anything to do with Janet's success? During the janet tour it was obvious that he had a role, especially when it came to her vision and image, and helping her to express that visually and creatively. I don't know about Control, to me that was janet, Jimmy and Terry, but there is no way anyone can say that Rene did or did not help her out. I would tend to believe Rene because since the Velvet Rope its been the same-o same-o routine, and for some reason I can't get over the fact that she did not write any songs on this album. Maybe its no biggy but its weird. We'll never really know. | |
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wonder505 said: why is everyone so sensitive to the possibility that Rene had anything to do with Janet's success? During the janet tour it was obvious that he had a role, especially when it came to her vision and image, and helping her to express that visually and creatively. I don't know about Control, to me that was janet, Jimmy and Terry, but there is no way anyone can say that Rene did or did not help her out. I would tend to believe Rene because since the Velvet Rope its been the same-o same-o routine, and for some reason I can't get over the fact that she did not write any songs on this album. Maybe its no biggy but its weird. We'll never really know.
Actually some us us do KNOW and I think u are correct. | |
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Who cares if Janet doesn't write her own songs?
At one point, I think if people enjoy her music (it's hers in a since that she's the one who'll receive the criticism as well as the praise if a hit or a flop), then it's all good for her fans. I don't care if she's not Bob Dylan. I don't even expect her to be Vanessa Paradis! (I think Vanessa is WONDERFUL, and thanks to some here for the recommendations. ) I just expect Janet to be equally wonderful in her own way. Why can't someone just be an entertainer? I think Janet is an excellent entertainer and personality. I just think she's out there to entertain us at this point in her career. [Edited 2/29/08 8:23am] | |
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MikeMatronik said:  Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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wonder505 said: why is everyone so sensitive to the possibility that Rene had anything to do with Janet's success? During the janet tour it was obvious that he had a role, especially when it came to her vision and image, and helping her to express that visually and creatively. I don't know about Control, to me that was janet, Jimmy and Terry, but there is no way anyone can say that Rene did or did not help her out. I would tend to believe Rene because since the Velvet Rope its been the same-o same-o routine, and for some reason I can't get over the fact that she did not write any songs on this album. Maybe its no biggy but its weird. We'll never really know.
I don't have the liner notes in front of me- but it is my belief that Rene was acknowledged for his contributions on Janet and the Velvet Rope. Even on RN interviews all she talked about is how Rene introduced her to these kids in need of help and how she wanted to do sohave a social awareness concept to the album and he was always there talking about his vision for the "short films", etc. I don't think she snubbed him at all- his hands were on everything from the tour concepts and her breasts on the cover of the album. LOVE HARD. | |
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Isel said: Who cares if Janet doesn't write her own songs?
At one point, I think if people enjoy her music (it's hers in a since that she's the one who'll receive the criticism as well as the praise if a hit or a flop), then it's all good for her fans. I don't care if she's not Bob Dylan. I don't even expect her to be Vanessa Paradis! (I think Vanessa is WONDERFUL, and thanks to some here for the recommendations. ) I just expect Janet to be equally wonderful in her own way. Why can't someone just be an entertainer? I think Janet is an excellent entertainer and personality. I just think she's out there to entertain us at this point in her career. [Edited 2/29/08 8:23am] I agree- -none of the Late show host write their own jokes and which televison personalities or movie star writes their own scripts?? LOVE HARD. | |
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Isel said: Who cares if Janet doesn't write her own songs?
At one point, I think if people enjoy her music (it's hers in a since that she's the one who'll receive the criticism as well as the praise if a hit or a flop), then it's all good for her fans. I don't care if she's not Bob Dylan. I don't even expect her to be Vanessa Paradis! (I think Vanessa is WONDERFUL, and thanks to some here for the recommendations. ) I just expect Janet to be equally wonderful in her own way. Why can't someone just be an entertainer? I think Janet is an excellent entertainer and personality. I just think she's out there to entertain us at this point in her career. [Edited 2/29/08 8:23am] you're right who cares, but all this time Janet has been revered (sp?) for being an exceptional singer, songwriter and composer, just look at some of her awards and even she herself claim how much she writes, it just took me by surprise that she decided not to write any songs and even recently claim that she took credit for some songs she didn't write. It's not a big deal but just a little surprising. | |
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wonder505 said: Isel said: Who cares if Janet doesn't write her own songs?
At one point, I think if people enjoy her music (it's hers in a since that she's the one who'll receive the criticism as well as the praise if a hit or a flop), then it's all good for her fans. I don't care if she's not Bob Dylan. I don't even expect her to be Vanessa Paradis! (I think Vanessa is WONDERFUL, and thanks to some here for the recommendations. ) I just expect Janet to be equally wonderful in her own way. Why can't someone just be an entertainer? I think Janet is an excellent entertainer and personality. I just think she's out there to entertain us at this point in her career. [Edited 2/29/08 8:23am] you're right who cares, but all this time Janet has been revered (sp?) for being an exceptional singer, songwriter and composer, just look at some of her awards and even she herself claim how much she writes, it just took me by surprise that she decided not to write any songs and even recently claim that she took credit for some songs she didn't write. It's not a big deal but just a little surprising. well ask yourself how many songs she co-wrote and did not take credit for. you wouldn't know would you? LOVE HARD. | |
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Evvy said: wonder505 said: you're right who cares, but all this time Janet has been revered (sp?) for being an exceptional singer, songwriter and composer, just look at some of her awards and even she herself claim how much she writes, it just took me by surprise that she decided not to write any songs and even recently claim that she took credit for some songs she didn't write. It's not a big deal but just a little surprising. well ask yourself how many songs she co-wrote and did not take credit for. you wouldn't know would you? no, i don't know, i could only go on what is reported and what she has disclosed recently. | |
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On Larry King last night, he addressed the fact that Janet did not write this album. She said that the record company recommended writers and producers. She said that these writers and producers let her listen to the trax and she liked them.
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