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PrintableVoicesCarry said: I am glad so many of you like it. What is amazing is that she seems to have reignited interest in many of the people who had given up on her forever. Not all of them, because you can't please everyone, but a LOT of them. For example, I know Scorpion, Isel, purplecam, and JackieBlue were not really that enthused with the product from the last few albums.
Add me to the list. I have despised nearly everything since Velvet Rope  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Tuls101 said: I can't even begin to read through this whole thread. All I can say is, the new song is fucking GREAT. Nothing groundbreaking, but hey.....did we really think it would be? After the atrocity of 20 Y.O. this is like Rhythm Nation.
Janet IS back, the new album is gonna fucking ROCK!!! I can't wait. AND JANET GIRL.....TOUR THIS TIME...PLEEEASE!!  | |
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banks said: krayzie said: Ive been waitin for her new single, now I can tell it ; her career is over
[Edited 12/12/07 17:57pm] Hey that's your opinion.. been checkin out all the urban sites, Concrete loop, Sohh, Young black and Fab, wendy williams poll of the day... and like myself.. peoiple like it Oh man, you know people said the same thing when she released Just a little while and Call on Me... Black people love Janet and support her, but let's get serious right there. She's done... sorry to say it like it this ... Janet hasn't learned from The 20 Y.O failure... I was ready to create a thread about how janet could make a comeback, but I didn't know she would release her new single so quick... She is in a Do or Die situation, this is her last chance... That song is not great ... This song sucks.. This is the same ol "I'm sexy I'm hot" type of music she has recycled for the last 8 years... Janet's success and appeal have always been based on BIG HITS... Everybody knows she is a limited singer and can sell records on her name... The problem is, she's not the hit machine she used to be... I thought she had learned from that, and indeed this is not the case... She still thinks she's a sex symbol, and can make songs about "I'm sexy I'm hot " at age 42... 42 YEAR OLD !!!!! She is WAAAAAY TOO OLD Even Madonna evolved when she turned 40 The Superbowl and all these harsch critics showed that people are TIRED of that sex image she has recycled since the all for you era... I thought she realized her sex symbol period was over, but she's coming back with the same ol concept idea, and music again ... which is all about "I'm sexy I'm hot"... And it seems she doesn't realize it. She's getting older, and older, but she still tries to compete with young girls who are half her age or LESS... ... An old artist who tries to stay cool by emulating young people... She is NOT young anymore... She is not a sex symbol anymore Right now Beyonce, Amerie, Rhianna, Ciara have replaced her... From that point of view I expect her next album to tank That song is by any mean a "That's the way love goes" type of song... This is not THE song that will bring Janet back on top... Sorry Without a BIG HIT she won't comeback, and that song is not a BIG HIT... [Edited 12/13/07 10:32am] [Edited 12/13/07 10:59am] |
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Timmy84 said: daPrettyman said: It's Erykah Badu. If she read that, she would be pissed... However, in this day and time, you pretty much have to compare artists. We are in a different world where uniqueness is not appreciated. Doesn't that just suck? Like why can't they allow artists to be themselves without trying to be compared? Janet's not no Michael or Madonna or Mariah or Chaka but by herself, she's fine just like the other artists are. Most of today's "artists" wouldn't know what the hell to do if you told them to "be themselves" and the same applies to Janet. When you are releasing music that is distinctly your own then you can complain about being compared, but Janet has never been that type of artist. I have to congratulate Rodney Jerkins though. The last I heard from him was "You Rock My World" which sounded old fashioned even in 2001. When you have a trademark sound that goes out of style it's always gonna be a challenge to reinvent your style, but he's obviously done it. This track is tight. The lyrics of course are TERRIBLE and I'm not feeling Janet's delivery either, but the sound effects are great
I think it's good news for Janet that the shit hop style is being kicked out by Rihanna and others. Even Beyonce will desert that style with her next album and it never suited Janet. Unfortunately she had to embrace it while it was in because that's the type of artist she is. I have to say though, I could never put this track on in my own time and listen to it. You have to be really comfortable with dumbness to sit down with this. All that "sexy, sexy, yeah I'm sexy, sexy" crap. I think we can safely say Janet's not responsible for this lyrical travesty though. Most of these lines were clearly written by a man. A very immature man. [Edited 12/13/07 10:38am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Well, let's face it... Janet has never had the most substance to her music; The Velvet Rope was good inspite of its attempts to make a statement. I mean, this is a woman who was singing lyrics like "We all have the need to feel special" and "You have to learn to water your spiritual garden"  . Anyone expecting Jan to come out with some enlightening statement about the world circa 2007 clearly wasn't paying attention to her career.
However, it seems that J rediscovered the power of a catchy, hooky pop song; I think that's why people are celebrating. I still think it's very B Spears/Blackout, but it's good for what it is.  I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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VoicesCarry said: sextonseven said: Was that just confirmed? As in waiting for initial reaction to the single before being confirmed? Confirmed today. The album was always supposed to be released either February 19 or 26, as the Japanese date was confirmed last week as the 20th. New Goldfapp drops that day too. The 26th might be another super Tuesday. | |
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And is anyone else surprised by the lisp she seems to have developed in this song? "Thexy thexy come on" I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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Axchi696 said: Well, let's face it... Janet has never had the most substance to her music; The Velvet Rope was good inspite of its attempts to make a statement. I mean, this is a woman who was singing lyrics like "We all have the need to feel special" and "You have to learn to water your spiritual garden"
. Anyone expecting Jan to come out with some enlightening statement about the world circa 2007 clearly wasn't paying attention to her career.
However, it seems that J rediscovered the power of a catchy, hooky pop song; I think that's why people are celebrating. I still think it's very B Spears/Blackout, but it's good for what it is. Exactly. Janet has released some great stuff but she's not a social commentator and some of her lyrics can be like "huh?" But the genius thing about Janet (and her producers when they do her right) is that she knows how to create a great hook pop song. That's been her niche for 21 years now and that's enough for me. If you're a pop fan or dance fan, you'll dig this. If not, then that's okay too because I can see why people wouldn't like it too. | |
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krayzie said: banks said: Hey that's your opinion.. been checkin out all the urban sites, Concrete loop, Sohh, Young black and Fab, wendy williams poll of the day... and like myself.. peoiple like it Oh man, you know people said the same thing when she released Just a little while and Call on Me... Black people love Janet and support her, but let's get serious right there. She's done... sorry to say it like it this ... Janet hasn't learned from The 20 Y.O failure... I was ready to create a thread about how janet could make a comeback, but I didn't know she would release her new single so quick... She is in a Do or Die situation, this is her last chance... That song is not great ... This song sucks.. This is the same ol "I'm sexy I'm hot" type of music she has recycled for the last 8 years... Janet's success and appeal have always been based on BIG HITS... Everybody knows she is a limited singer and can sell records on her name... The problem is, she's not the hit machine she used to be... I thought she had learned from that, and indeed this is not the case... She still thinks she's a sex symbol, and can make songs about "I'm sexy I'm hot " at age 42... 42 YEAR OLD !!!!! She is WAAAAAY TOO OLD Even Madonna evolved when she turned 40 The Superbowl and all these harsch critics showed that people are TIRED of that sex image she has recycled since the all for you era... I thought she realized her sex symbol period was over, but she's coming back with the same ol concept idea, and music again ... which is all about "I'm sexy I'm hot"... And it seems she doesn't realize it. She's getting older, and older, but she still tries to compete with young girls who are half her age or LESS... ... An old artist who tried to stay cool by emulating young people... She is NOT young anymore... She is not a sex symbol anymore Right now Beyonce, Amerie, Rhianna, Ciara have replaced her... From that point of view I expect her next album to tank That song is by any mean a "That's the way love goes" type of song... This is not THE song that will bring Janet back on top... Sorry Without a BIG HIT she won't comeback, and that song is not a BIG HIT... [Edited 12/13/07 10:32am] I really think you may be eating your words with this one. If you mean BIG HIT like Umbrella or Irreplaceable type BIG HIT then you are probably right. But I do think this will put Janet back on the map and at least reconnect her to some fans she may have abandoned the past two albums. It's certainly going to get people shakin their asses in the club and Janet is one of the best DANCE music acts ever, this is closer to her comfort zone than anything she's released since All For You IMO. The response for this track has been great, not only here but at other forums as well....non Janet forums, which typically aren't kind to her. For me as a longtime Janet fan this was really do or die. I always would've loved her stuff from the past, but after buying AFY and liking half of it and then DJ and liking about a quarter of it and then 20 Y.O. and liking almost NONE of it....this was her last chance for me. But she pulled through like I knew she would. I'm just so happy for her, she deserves the positivity she's been getting lately with the movie and now this. | |
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midnightmover said: Most of today's "artists" wouldn't know what the hell to do if you told them to "be themselves" and the same applies to Janet. When you are releasing music that is distinctly your own then you can complain about being compared, but Janet has never been that type of artist. I have to congratulate Rodney Jerkins though. The last I heard from him was "You Rock My World" which sounded old fashioned even in 2001. When you have a trademark sound that goes out of style it's always gonna be a challenge to reinvent your style, but he's obviously done it. This track is tight. The lyrics of course are TERRIBLE and I'm not feeling Janet's delivery either, but the sound effects are great
I think it's good news for Janet that the shit hop style is being kicked out by Rihanna and others. Even Beyonce will desert that style with her next album and it never suited Janet. Unfortunately she had to embrace it while it was in because that's the type of artist she is. I have to say though, I could never put this track on in my own time and listen to it. You have to be really comfortable with dumbness to sit down with this. All that "sexy, sexy, yeah I'm sexy, sexy" crap. I think we can safely say Janet's not responsible for this lyrical travesty though. Most of these lines were clearly written by a man. A very immature man. [Edited 12/13/07 10:38am] U hit the nail on the head. I guess some people will take anything....including scraps of music. | |
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Timmy84 said: Axchi696 said: Well, let's face it... Janet has never had the most substance to her music; The Velvet Rope was good inspite of its attempts to make a statement. I mean, this is a woman who was singing lyrics like "We all have the need to feel special" and "You have to learn to water your spiritual garden"
. Anyone expecting Jan to come out with some enlightening statement about the world circa 2007 clearly wasn't paying attention to her career.
However, it seems that J rediscovered the power of a catchy, hooky pop song; I think that's why people are celebrating. I still think it's very B Spears/Blackout, but it's good for what it is. Exactly. Janet has released some great stuff but she's not a social commentator and some of her lyrics can be like "huh?" But the genius thing about Janet (and her producers when they do her right) is that she knows how to create a great hook pop song. That's been her niche for 21 years now and that's enough for me. If you're a pop fan or dance fan, you'll dig this. If not, then that's okay too because I can see why people wouldn't like it too. 
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I’ll step out on the plank and say I like this song but I also agree with alot of what Krayzie and midnight have said. I want her to succeed but at the end of the day it is what it is.  [Edited 12/13/07 10:58am] Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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VoicesCarry said: badujunkie said: Whoa. Hold up. Ok, so not since 2003 - what may I ask turned you hardcore all of a sudden when she hadnt released a new full length that year?
Janet Megamix 04 and the anticipation for Damita Jo. Dude - how old are you? Which of hers is your favorite LP?
22. If I had to choose one it would be Rhythm Nation or The Velvet Rope. Probably The Velvet Rope. Right on! My fave too. Am I the only one on this board who STILL spins 20 YO (semi) regularly? I love that album! I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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Axchi696 said: Well, let's face it... Janet has never had the most substance to her music; The Velvet Rope was good inspite of its attempts to make a statement. I mean, this is a woman who was singing lyrics like "We all have the need to feel special" and "You have to learn to water your spiritual garden"
. Anyone expecting Jan to come out with some enlightening statement about the world circa 2007 clearly wasn't paying attention to her career.
However, it seems that J rediscovered the power of a catchy, hooky pop song; I think that's why people are celebrating. I still think it's very B Spears/Blackout, but it's good for what it is. An educational moment, folks. Pay attention. Some of you have a naive notion that good lyrics means social/political lyrics. Therefore you misinterpret criticism of bad lyrics as criticism of the subject matter. As Prince fans we should all know that you can write great lyrics about just simply getting laid. So when I say the lyrics are bad it doesn't mean I'm disappointed because I was expecting her to give me the meaning of life. It simply means what it says. The lyrics are bad. Simple. However, it doesn't really matter because she's not appealing to people who care about substance anyway. It's just a good track that gets your foot tapping, but unfortunately my brain and my feet are not entirely seperate. Now my brain and my dick, well that's another matter. Hell, I would fuck Mel B for all she was worth, so that alone tells you how independent my dick is. My brain would be saying "No, no, no!", but my dick would win the battle every time. Sigh. What were we talking about again? “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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I really don't mind the feel of her copping the other pop princesses style cuz if you think about it, those broads jacked Janet's style to begin with. Britney would have been nothing as a performer without Janet having paved the way with her choreographed performances. Britney totally lifted off Janet. Janet is just owning what she has been doing all along. Making tightly controlled dance songs  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I really don't mind the feel of her copping the other pop princesses style cuz if you think about it, those broads jacked Janet's style to begin with. Britney would have been nothing as a performer without Janet having paved the way with her choreographed performances. Britney totally lifted off Janet. Janet is just owning what she has been doing all along. Making tightly controlled dance songs
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midnightmover said: Axchi696 said: Well, let's face it... Janet has never had the most substance to her music; The Velvet Rope was good inspite of its attempts to make a statement. I mean, this is a woman who was singing lyrics like "We all have the need to feel special" and "You have to learn to water your spiritual garden"
. Anyone expecting Jan to come out with some enlightening statement about the world circa 2007 clearly wasn't paying attention to her career.
However, it seems that J rediscovered the power of a catchy, hooky pop song; I think that's why people are celebrating. I still think it's very B Spears/Blackout, but it's good for what it is. An educational moment, folks. Pay attention. Some of you have a naive notion that good lyrics means social/political lyrics. Therefore you misinterpret criticism of bad lyrics as criticism of the subject matter. As Prince fans we should all know that you can write great lyrics about just simply getting laid. So when I say the lyrics are bad it doesn't mean I'm disappointed because I was expecting her to give me the meaning of life. It simply means what it says. The lyrics are bad. Simple. However, it doesn't really matter because she's not appealing to people who care about substance anyway. It's just a good track that gets your foot tapping, but unfortunately my brain and my feet are not entirely seperate. Now my brain and my dick, well that's another matter. Hell, I would fuck Mel B for all she was worth, so that alone tells you how independent my dick is. My brain would be saying "No, no, no!", but my dick would win the battle every time. Sigh. What were we talking about again? Um, thanks for that condescending rant. I'm glad you took the time to give us an "educational" moment. And for the record, I wasn't talking to you. I was responding to the notion that people want the Janet of TVR back. I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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Axchi696 said: And is anyone else surprised by the lisp she seems to have developed in this song? "Thexy thexy come on"
Where’s the little man who takes a drink and spits his water out? That’s basically what I just did. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I really don't mind the feel of her copping the other pop princesses style cuz if you think about it, those broads jacked Janet's style to begin with. Britney would have been nothing as a performer without Janet having paved the way with her choreographed performances. Britney totally lifted off Janet. Janet is just owning what she has been doing all along. Making tightly controlled dance songs
That's just it. And Janet still does all that stuff better than Britney. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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I've never seen Janet as a profound lyricist (or even a particularly good one at times), but she makes really great pop and R&B music, and I've related to some of her material on a deeply personal level. So that's what she is to me: a pop star who makes fun music. | |
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purplecam said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I really don't mind the feel of her copping the other pop princesses style cuz if you think about it, those broads jacked Janet's style to begin with. Britney would have been nothing as a performer without Janet having paved the way with her choreographed performances. Britney totally lifted off Janet. Janet is just owning what she has been doing all along. Making tightly controlled dance songs
That's just it. And Janet still does all that stuff better than Britney. Not lately When Britney, released Toxic, which is one of the most bad ass pop songs EVER what was Janet doing? Bet you can't even put them next together for the sheer embarrasment I'm committed to this album just from this song alone and I haven't touched a thing of hers since Velvet Rope.2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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VoicesCarry said: I've never seen Janet as a profound lyricist (or even a particularly good one at times), but she makes really great pop and R&B music, and I've related to some of her material on a deeply personal level. So that's what she is to me: a pop star who makes fun music.
I think it's weird people expecting her to be the next Joan Baez Growing up we could all relate to the love stuff and dancing to the rhythm of a nation but it's just kind of weird people expecting this of her when she has never been Maya Angelou 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Not lately
When Britney, released Toxic, which is one of the most bad ass pop songs EVER what was Janet doing? Bet you can't even put them next together for the sheer embarrasment I'm committed to this album just from this song alone and I haven't touched a thing of hers since Velvet Rope.Eh, I still think "All Nite (Don't Stop)" (which came out around the same time as 'Toxic') is somewhere around my 2nd favorite Janet song ever. And I know it's nothing but a glorified Herbie Hancock sample,but there's just something undefinable about the song that kicks my ass every time I hear it. I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: VoicesCarry said: I've never seen Janet as a profound lyricist (or even a particularly good one at times), but she makes really great pop and R&B music, and I've related to some of her material on a deeply personal level. So that's what she is to me: a pop star who makes fun music.
I think it's weird people expecting her to be the next Joan Baez Growing up we could all relate to the love stuff and dancing to the rhythm of a nation but it's just kind of weird people expecting this of her when she has never been Maya Angelou She did Rhythm Nation and suddenly some people thought she had to be a sociopolitical commentator for the rest of her life to "live up" to that album. Meanwhile, there's about 2 songs on that album (Livin' In A World (They Didn't Make) and State of the World) that had some social commentary. The rest is Janet dancing her ass off and singing about love. Don't know why she is held to a higher standard than her contemporaries. As long as it's fun and catchy (what a pop star should be), I'm there. | |
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Axchi696 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Not lately
When Britney, released Toxic, which is one of the most bad ass pop songs EVER what was Janet doing? Bet you can't even put them next together for the sheer embarrasment I'm committed to this album just from this song alone and I haven't touched a thing of hers since Velvet Rope.Eh, I still think "All Nite (Don't Stop)" (which came out around the same time as 'Toxic') is somewhere around my 2nd favorite Janet song ever. And I know it's nothing but a glorified Herbie Hancock sample,but there's just something undefinable about the song that kicks my ass every time I hear it. Which album is that from? 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: VoicesCarry said: I've never seen Janet as a profound lyricist (or even a particularly good one at times), but she makes really great pop and R&B music, and I've related to some of her material on a deeply personal level. So that's what she is to me: a pop star who makes fun music.
I think it's weird people expecting her to be the next Joan Baez Growing up we could all relate to the love stuff and dancing to the rhythm of a nation but it's just kind of weird people expecting this of her when she has never been Maya Angelou  Another person completely misrepresenting the argument. Ain't no-one asking her to be Joan Baez, sweety. Re-read my previous post.“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: purplecam said: That's just it. And Janet still does all that stuff better than Britney. Not lately When Britney, released Toxic, which is one of the most bad ass pop songs EVER what was Janet doing? Bet you can't even put them next together for the sheer embarrasment I'm committed to this album just from this song alone and I haven't touched a thing of hers since Velvet Rope.Damita Jo was a good pop album, I thought. Britney got lucky with Toxic, because Kylie rejected it. Honestly, Britney has about 5 singles I like and was never even able to put together one album I truly enjoyed all the way through. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Axchi696 said: Eh, I still think "All Nite (Don't Stop)" (which came out around the same time as 'Toxic') is somewhere around my 2nd favorite Janet song ever. And I know it's nothing but a glorified Herbie Hancock sample,but there's just something undefinable about the song that kicks my ass every time I hear it. Which album is that from? Damita Jo - came out in '04. Actually, I think it's the underrated album in Janet's canon. Nohwhere near perfect, but better than the rap it gets. I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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Ten years ago, looking forward I do think I thought she would be more creative or innovative musically. I thought she would have taken more chances with dance, electronica and maybe some downtempo grooves. It’d be nice if she had a little pocket that was hers that no one could really touch. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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