squiddyren said:

Funk.soul.rock.early.hip-hop.jazz.blues.gospel.country.swing.bebop.doo-wop.classical.Motown.Stax.80s.punk

This boy don't discriminate. Puffy Bitch can't play shit by the way. And all of the "dirty work" was either done by Pete Rock or Chucky Thompson or Stevie J. Puffy don't produce nothing neither does Timbaland, don't get it twisted.

lol, this thread is showing up on the front page as having 29 repies and 0 views. Can websites get Alzheimers disease?

Timmy84 said:

Do you know what produce means

qvgangsta18 said:

Yeah but I don't think it means that Puffy actually did something in the recording booth. There's been rumors Dr. Dre had someone else produce for him (Melman) so it ain't new. Believe what you wanna believe, I'm just stating what I think.

novabrkr said:

ok

I didn't say I didn't listen to hybrid music. The question was what is real music

Real music is when music's 3 basic elements (melody, harmony, rhythm) can co-exist at the same time.

OFF-TOPIC: My biggest issue with the music industry at the moment (beginning in 1994) is the fact that the rhythm is still with us (even if it's at the mid-tempo range of 95 BPM) but the melody & harmony is totally forgotten at times.

Moonbeam said:

That too

I honestly miss the days when I never cringe @ what I listen to on the TV/radio.

I'm WAAAAY more musically-judgemental now,,,,,can't say that I'm sorry for it though.

Harlepolis said:

Since when it has become a sin to have a better musical taste than other people?!?

TonyVanDam said:

I never said it was a sin,,,I just miss the ignorance of it, somewhat. You didn't tell the difference and didn't care,,,, it was headache-free at least, in my case.

It's often little more than people shedding insight into their own interests, personality, bias, as a means of self aggrandizement.

"What I invest my time in is worthy!"

There is greatness to be found everywhere. And it will always remain in the minority, because it is a minority.

There's no reason to segregate, except for lack of time.

If someone chooses to be into mostly bebop, that's terrific. Their insight into this form of jazz will likely be almost beyond reproach.

But try to tell an expert in rock or funk about how wrong they are and you are only likely to offer up a slice of yourself, not great discernment into a style that doesn't keep you up at night.

You're not born or stuck with taste, you choose to expand it or not over time through hard work and pleasure.

But it's far easier just to be misunderstood.

TonyVanDam said:

Exactly! Why feel guilty because other people's musical tastes suck? Those poor pathetic wretched peons with bad taste in music...why are they even allowed to clutter up this earth and fill it with noise?

TonyVanDam said:

It's not about that. I'm just saying that the notion that anything with synthesizers is somehow less "real" or "authentic" is ignorance and an example of musical snobbery.

"REAL" music...IMO...is anything created by a musician. Not a fancy producer or a teeny-bopper trying to hit the top-10 charts.

Rock, Disco, Bluegrass, Reggae, Mariachi...the format doesn't matter. When a song "talks" to you and effectively relays the emotions of the musicians...that's "real" music to me.

Scorpion said:

No one said it wasn't - it's all a matter of personal taste. I happen to prefer my music slower and darker though.

Moonbeam said:

Well that's strange, considering that new sounds are created with synths more often than guitars. This alone tells me that synths are more "real" as of late than guitars.

TonyVanDam said:

You'd be surprised. A lot of people seem to think anything with a synthesizer isn't worthy of proper consideration. Prince himself seems to be on a nauseating "real music for real musicians" kick, completely ignoring the fact that his greatest success was achieved with synthesizers and "unreal" music integrated very heavily into the mix.

anon said:

Watch my baby gonna come up in here and tell yall off 4 that

Moonbeam said:

Exactly. Besides Kraftwerk & YMO, Prince is the real reason why a lot of producers (Timbaland, Danja) use mostly synths & drum machines in their music today.
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Moonbeam said:

And, a lot of people might be surprised to learn that synths and MIDI banks are providing the instrumentation for their pet "real" music du jour. Sure, if an album credit has Joe (Ann) Blow playing a clavinet or bass guitar, we can assume it to be the case.

But, you'd be surprised just how much digital programming goes into producing warm, analog, live-sounding instrumentation today. Again, is it real, if it evokes a genuine response in humans? Or is it real only if a human played the implied instrument?

TonyVanDam said:

I think Stevie Wonder and Parliament deserve some credit there, too.

It's always funny to me when I hear people talking about "real" music being played with real instruments, no computers, etc., in the Prince community. The man made his bones on drum machines and synths.

How the fuck is a synthesizer supposed to be more of a "non-real" instrument than an electric guitar is? They both generate "artificial" tones via electricity that do not resemble any waveforms found in nature.

Do you all really want to know why it's so problematic to define expressions such as "real music"? It's because the word "real" has no inherent, or even socially shared meanings included into it (there are no real-world referents for the world "real" other than "reality" itself, but that says nothing). It is merely a qualitative expression masked as having somekind of absolute truth value by associating itself directly with an "unquestioned" quality of superiority over other agents who do not possess the same aesthetic preference. Therefore it is merely an expression used always for power and controlling other people - and for that purpose it was used widely in the condeming sense in the Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and to a growing extent it is being used now in the United States on all kinds of matters.

The common usage of it is rather shrewd, as it is always followed by a word that directly refers to a real-world cultural phenomenon (as a category) that can be verified by senses and by participating in the cultural practices that go with it (you can hear "music", but you can't hear any of the alleged "realness" of it - that attribute is merely your own preferences marked on it). With cultural phenomenons. such as music. where there are no definitive truth values, words like "real" are used to cover up the whole vagueness of the mechanisms for voicing out aesthetic judgements and attempting to communicate with others via them.

Having said that, such expressions are of course very common in everyday usage of language - that's what we all do. But I'd rather use such words ("real", "authentic" etc.) in their positive sense to applaud the quality of someone's artistic works - not simply as a means to seclude an arbitrary group outside the sphere of "realness". All music is more or less artificial, just try to come up with something more interesting to say about it than something is "real", whilst something else is not worthy in your mind of such a vague, unjust expression.

"Man, that shit ain't Real".
[Edited 11/26/07 0:48am]

Moonbeam said:

Them too!

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[Edited 11/26/07 1:53am]

ThreadBare said:

Both

If a human played the implied instrument, alot of times it evokes a genuine response in humans.

Graycap23 said:

Although I agree with who Graycap has mentioned, there is much more to real music than what he's listed. Real music is people who write melodies and lyrics that touch our hearts and stay with us forever. People like.....

Bob Dylan
John Lennon
Elton John
Marvin Gaye
Sam Cook
Jagger/Richards
The members of the Buena Vista Social Club

Real music can have a funky beat, a slow jam, rock and roll etc, but for me, it has to touch the heart and make me feel something. Very few of today's so called singers do that for me. And most singers today don't have a clue how to write a song, but they are given songwriting credits as part of the deal.

Scorpion said:

I've never heard anyone say that on the org.

Real music to me is something that touches the soul, grabs you and intrigues you. You can fade away into a song, the music, all of the above.

The simple answer is like every other form of art, music is subjective.

So what's real music to me, may not be "real music" to someone else.
[Edited 11/26/07 7:11am]