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Reply #60 posted 10/29/07 8:11pm

purplesweat

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there is other modern music out there besides mainstream r&b, you know

Well, duh. They were just examples of artists I like...

And I love the way everyone thinks i'm obsessed with Beyonce just because I mentioned her name. It's amazing that an artist so many people say they don't care for can cause so much anger.

do you think that a label would sit back and have someone like Rihanna build a following over 5 albums?


It's taken her 3 albums to really become a "star" and well known.
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Reply #61 posted 10/29/07 8:35pm

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cool Most of the artist(s) out seem to all have the same sound. They all are copying off others. It's the same with the bands too. Their are a few who actually do have talent & can really sing. I do not listen to the radio much. Music has really gone downhill since 2000 hit. You have 2 catergories the wannabes & the fakers. cool
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Reply #62 posted 10/29/07 11:47pm

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theghostoftonym said:

meow85 said:


The Neptunes have been called creative and innovative, but last time I checked the definitions of creative and innovative didn't include constantly recycling beats and sampling from artists who (gasp! shock!) bothered to write their own material.


uh, the vast majority of the neptunes stuff doesnt use samples.

and there are a multitude of sample-based artists (amon tobin, dj shadow, rza, dj premier, rjd2...) who in the last fifteen years or so have made a lot of music about a million times more forward-thinking than anything prince has done in the same time frame.

meow85 said:

The reason you don't see "music older people listen to" getting slagged off is because for the most part, it doesn't suck.


actually its probably because most of the people on this board are old


Sampling can be interesting but for the most part it's just lazy. Where's the artistry in ripping off someone else's work?

I'm curious what your definition of old is, given the majority of regular posters here are mid-30's and younger. confuse
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Reply #63 posted 10/29/07 11:53pm

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purplesweat said:

theghostoftonym said:

there is other modern music out there besides mainstream r&b, you know

Well, duh. They were just examples of artists I like...

And I love the way everyone thinks i'm obsessed with Beyonce just because I mentioned her name. It's amazing that an artist so many people say they don't care for can cause so much anger.

do you think that a label would sit back and have someone like Rihanna build a following over 5 albums?


It's taken her 3 albums to really become a "star" and well known.

WTH are you talking about? Everyone knew who Beyonce was when DC first hit the scene, whether we wanted to or not.
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Reply #64 posted 10/30/07 12:10am

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Mara said:

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Wow, 2006 was a great year for me! (but we might have different tastes)


PREACH. Please, PREACH.

Musically, I loved 2006. I remember it was late May or Early June of last year and I was in a parking garage playing music in my car in L.A. and I was just absorbing all of the music, all of the energy, all of the things I was discovering, everything I felt and at that moment I just became overwhelmed. It dawned on me how much of a rush I felt from the music. You know the feeling you get when you know something isn't going to last forever and you're witnessing the mortality of it, but yet you feel how beautiful it is and how overpowering it all is?

I love when music can be transcendental like that.

The music of 2006 that I listened to was amazing. The shows I went to. The things I felt. The energies, the feelings. I can safely say it was bliss. If no one understood it, I understood it. It was such a feeling of transcendence.

I love that I experienced it. That's all I can really say.

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Reply #65 posted 10/30/07 1:33am

purplesweat

meow85 said:

purplesweat said:



It's taken her 3 albums to really become a "star" and well known.

WTH are you talking about? Everyone knew who Beyonce was when DC first hit the scene, whether we wanted to or not.


WTH are you talking about? Your reply had nothing to do with anything I said..unless you mean the 3 albums part, in which I was talking about Rihanna.
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Reply #66 posted 10/30/07 1:35am

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theghostoftonym said:

unless you are forced to listen to it in your workplace there is no excuse for listening to the radio and thus no reason to care about the crap that's on it

thats so true.ppl who complain about todays "everything" are so damn tuned into that shit. lol
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Reply #67 posted 10/30/07 7:43am

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shortstuff45220 said:

No. I don't think it's all bad at all. I think lot of you just aren't giving it a chance or maybe it's a generation things I don't know. I didn't really care for my parents music and they don't care for mind. confused


Here we go with that "my parents said the same thing about my music" excuse again. When I was a teenager, my mother was clubbing every night with people her own age. The music they were clubbing to was the current music on the radio at the time. They didn't make special music for older people to listen to. Everyone listened to the current radio and I heard very little complaining. The complaining I heard at the time was only a fraction of the complaining I hear now.

Yeah, my mother grew up on The Supremes and The Four Tops but she had no problem adapting to The Gap Band or Kool and the Gang and neither did most people her age. Styles naturally changed through the years but the music was still actual "music". It also remained uptempo and fun.

The parents that complained about the younger generation's music were before that when the rock and roll era started. They didn't complain because it wasn't music, they complained because the music was fast and full of rhythm so they considered it the "devil's music". They were complaining for totally different reasons than we complain now. We complain because music is no longer "music". It's also the opposite now. These little dull asses have gone back in time before the rock and roll era and slowed everything back down again. They have torn down everything that the rock and roll era overcame and gone back to making elevator tempo music.
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Reply #68 posted 10/30/07 7:52am

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TonyVanDam said:

theghostoftonym said:

there is other modern music out there besides mainstream r&b, you know


Rock is dead.


In the mid 1990s when shit hop took over R&B radio, I switched over to pop/rock radio for a brief period of time. Things were OK for a little while. I was really enjoying stuff like Third Eye Blind's "Semi Charmed Life". Then I started hearing dull asses like Jewel and other folks making shit with acoustical guitars that sounded like folk or country music. I couldn't believe my ears. People were actually liking it. Hell, we would have laughed someone like Jewel off the radio back in the 1980s and told her to take her ass to a country music station. I don't know what's wrong with these kids.

It was then, that I said "fuck it" to all current music both R&B and pop/rock.
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Reply #69 posted 10/30/07 7:56am

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unless you are forced to listen to it in your workplace there is no excuse for listening to the radio and thus no reason to care about the crap that's on it


I don't listen to current radio but there is definately a reason to care about what's on it. As long as bullshit is on it, good stuff will never come out. I'm tired of pulling my old records every time I want to hear something good. I want some good new stuff.
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Reply #70 posted 10/30/07 8:03am

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theghostoftonym said:

actually its probably because most of the people on this board are old


I started bitching about music big time when shit hop took over R&B in the early 1990s. I was only in my early 20s then. Actually, when I first started bitching about music was in 1985 when Shitney Houston came out and influenced everyone to make slow adult contemporary type R&B. I was only 17 then.

The people that are "old" are the young people because they are the ones listening to music slower than what my great grandparents listened to.
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Reply #71 posted 10/30/07 8:06am

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meow85 said:

Sampling can be interesting but for the most part it's just lazy.


Exactly. The Egyptian Lover was a rapper but he made original music behind his raps. When he did sample, he sampled over his own original music and it was only quick, razor fine samples that you could only recognize if you were a big fan of the song he was sampling. Otherwise, you wouldn't even know he was sampling.
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Reply #72 posted 10/30/07 11:25am

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daPrettyman said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:


lol

For me, had I been around back then, I'd prolly stopped listening to radio at around '82 or something lol

U must really be OLD! lol

Notice 'had I been around back then'. I was born in '87 smile
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Reply #73 posted 10/30/07 12:23pm

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Mara said:

I LOVE THIS ENTIRE MUSICAL ERA. THANK GOD.


I feel ya! but keep in mind...I think the person who started this thread is primarily defending the stuff thats on top 40 which is probably not what ur jamming to on a regular basis lol
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Reply #74 posted 10/30/07 12:29pm

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meow85 said:

theghostoftonym said:



actually its probably because most of the people on this board are old


Sampling can be interesting but for the most part it's just lazy. Where's the artistry in ripping off someone else's work?


there's no "artistry" inherent in any technique or style of making music, it's what you do with techniques or styles that counts. there are plenty of extremely lazy artists/bands out there who have never and will never touch a sample, but are for all intents and purposes just ripping off someone else's work, far more so than most people who sample. a good, original piece of music is a good, original piece of music. a bad, unoriginal piece of music is a bad, unoriginal piece of music. how it was made is irrelevant.

calling sampling "lazy" shows a complete ignorance and/or misunderstanding of the form. i make both sample-based and instrument-based music, and find sampling to be considerably more difficult, and a hell of a lot more time-consuming. you can spend hours looking for, say, just the right horn sample. or spend hours "nudging" tiny 0.1 second blocks of sound around on the computer screen to get the groove just right. whereas you can throw down some drums, a chord progression, a bassline and a lead melody and have a whole pop song in 20 minutes or so. and sampling's so satisfying: when you pull together tiny cut-outs from five or six completely different and disparate genres then fuse them together to create someone entirely new that sounds nothing like any of the stuff you sampled, and which moves as one piece rather than as five stuck together, its a wonderful feeling.

here are some quotes from various producers which might help explain, as i think I think there is a huge gap in the general public's perception of sampling concerning WHY and HOW people who sample actually do it:

"[Samples have] a certain reality. It doesn't just take the sound, it takes the whole way it was recorded. The ambient sounds, the little bits of reverb left off crashes that happened a couple of bars ago. There's a lot of things in the sample, just like when you take a picture—it's got a lot more levels than say, the kick-drum or the drum machine, I think. [...] Looking at a sampler the way it was used first—to try and simulate real instruments—you didn't have to get a session guitarist and you could just be like, 'Hey, I can have an orchestra in my track, and I can have a guitar, and it sounds real!' And I think that's the wrong way to use sampling. The right way is to get the guitar, and go, 'Right, that's a guitar. Let's make it into something that a guitar could never possibly be.' You know, take it away from the source and try to make it something else. Might as well just get a bloody guitarist if you want a guitarist. There's plenty of them." —Amon Tobin

"Producers like Organized Noize mix samples and live instruments really well, but for me, it almost feels like a cop-out, because I'm a collage artist. It's like, 'Damn, if only I could find this one part. Well, maybe if I just had somebody paint it, and then I'll put it out.' That almost feels like cheating. Lots of times, I have trouble finding bass lines, because it's not very often on a record that there are good open bass lines. Sometimes I wish I could just have somebody come in and do what I want him to do on a bass line. It would be so easy. But what I do just keeps things much more challenging, I guess." —DJ Shadow

"Cutting and pasting is the essence of what hip-hop culture is all about for me. It's about drawing from what's around you, and subverting it and de-contextualizing it." —DJ Shadow

"When I sample something, it's because there's something ingenious about it. And if it isn't the group as a whole, it's that song. Or, even if it isn't the song as a whole, it's a genius moment, or an accident or something that makes it just utterly unique to the other trillions of hours of records that I've plowed through" —DJ Shadow, 33 1/3 Volume 24: DJ Shadow's Endtroducing..., 2005

"I look at all the different parts and see how I can organize them in a way. It’s like mathematics. Very mathematic. It’s like graphs! You’re always searching for the combination that sounds best. It’s kind you set back, and feel the thing. If you want something to come in, you have to search for it, listen to it." —Blockhead

"You got stuff darting in and out absolutely everywhere. It's like someone throwing rice at you. You have to grab every little piece and put it in the right place like a puzzle. Very complicated. All those little snippets and pieces that go in, along with the regular drums that you gotta drop out in order to make room for it." —Eric Sadler of Public Enemy's Bomb Squad
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Reply #75 posted 10/30/07 12:31pm

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purplesweat said:

Just my two cents on this forum :

I feel like no one can admit openly to liking music released this millenium without 10 posters jumping on them saying how crap or "shit hop" it is.

I KNOW a lot of it is drivel and shouldn't be released, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING is and it doesn't mean people should be teased or seen as any less for liking it. I'm not talking about Akon or Sean Kingston crapola. I'm talking about Nelly Furtado, Beyonce, The Neptunes. Artists today with a bit of flair and individuality, but still get lumped into the same "shit-hop" category as if they're the same as Sean Kingston, MIMS and Akon.

I see so much hate for Beyonce and to me a lot of it is unwarrented and is the "cool" thing to do on this forum. If you don't like her, why go into a thread about her just to hate? Sure, I do that for Prince sometimes but at least he's done something to deserve it by taking videos down. Beyonce is simply overexposed [well was, she's been on the downlow lately right?] and to me that shouldn't detract from her music at all. She was on a world tour after all so of course she's going to be visible.

I just feel like in every thread made about music today, there will always be some posters that come in simply to dis it because it's now and wasn't made in the 70's or 80's. I get that there are mainly older people on this forum but I think a little respect wouldn't hurt both ways. I don't really see the young people here slagging off music older people listen to so surely we deserve the same back?







it's mostly what get's played on the radio like "Crank That" and "Ballin" and all that ignorant south coast bullshit.

Other than that music aint really that bad...It's better than it was in a while now that alot of 80's is coming in2 play of a lot of music.

PLUS there are TONS of other artists amking cool jems that dont get airplay
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Reply #76 posted 10/30/07 1:01pm

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I hate all the stupid Rap songs that have all them retarded dances that go with them.
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Reply #77 posted 10/30/07 1:06pm

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purplesweat said:

Just my two cents on this forum :

I feel like no one can admit openly to liking music released this millenium without 10 posters jumping on them saying how crap or "shit hop" it is.

I KNOW a lot of it is drivel and shouldn't be released, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING is and it doesn't mean people should be teased or seen as any less for liking it. I'm not talking about Akon or Sean Kingston crapola. I'm talking about Nelly Furtado, Beyonce, The Neptunes. Artists today with a bit of flair and individuality, but still get lumped into the same "shit-hop" category as if they're the same as Sean Kingston, MIMS and Akon.

I see so much hate for Beyonce and to me a lot of it is unwarrented and is the "cool" thing to do on this forum. If you don't like her, why go into a thread about her just to hate? Sure, I do that for Prince sometimes but at least he's done something to deserve it by taking videos down. Beyonce is simply overexposed [well was, she's been on the downlow lately right?] and to me that shouldn't detract from her music at all. She was on a world tour after all so of course she's going to be visible.

I just feel like in every thread made about music today, there will always be some posters that come in simply to dis it because it's now and wasn't made in the 70's or 80's. I get that there are mainly older people on this forum but I think a little respect wouldn't hurt both ways. I don't really see the young people here slagging off music older people listen to so surely we deserve the same back?


In reply to your question, "Is Today's Music REALLY that horrific?", I'd have to say...Yes. Yes, it is. lol
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Reply #78 posted 10/30/07 1:18pm

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purplesweat said:

Just my two cents on this forum :

I feel like no one can admit openly to liking music released this millenium without 10 posters jumping on them saying how crap or "shit hop" it is.

I KNOW a lot of it is drivel and shouldn't be released, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING is and it doesn't mean people should be teased or seen as any less for liking it. I'm not talking about Akon or Sean Kingston crapola. I'm talking about Nelly Furtado, Beyonce, The Neptunes. Artists today with a bit of flair and individuality, but still get lumped into the same "shit-hop" category as if they're the same as Sean Kingston, MIMS and Akon.

I see so much hate for Beyonce and to me a lot of it is unwarrented and is the "cool" thing to do on this forum. If you don't like her, why go into a thread about her just to hate? Sure, I do that for Prince sometimes but at least he's done something to deserve it by taking videos down. Beyonce is simply overexposed [well was, she's been on the downlow lately right?] and to me that shouldn't detract from her music at all. She was on a world tour after all so of course she's going to be visible.

I just feel like in every thread made about music today, there will always be some posters that come in simply to dis it because it's now and wasn't made in the 70's or 80's. I get that there are mainly older people on this forum but I think a little respect wouldn't hurt both ways. I don't really see the young people here slagging off music older people listen to so surely we deserve the same back?


I think all rap, hip hop is garbage and all music within the past 10 years is garbage. All the great songs have already been made. Who's a better artist -- Brian Wilson or Timbaland? LOL. I feel the same for most films too, aside from Woody Allen and other real creators.

I'll also point out that I can't watch any of that "rock" they play on the FUSE channel. So yeah, basically all music today is absolute garbage. I just don't like it. I don't see how anyone would unless they are really really unsophisticated.
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Reply #79 posted 10/30/07 3:32pm

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purplesweat said:

Just my two cents on this forum :

I feel like no one can admit openly to liking music released this millenium without 10 posters jumping on them saying how crap or "shit hop" it is.

I KNOW a lot of it is drivel and shouldn't be released, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING is and it doesn't mean people should be teased or seen as any less for liking it. I'm not talking about Akon or Sean Kingston crapola. I'm talking about Nelly Furtado, Beyonce, The Neptunes. Artists today with a bit of flair and individuality, but still get lumped into the same "shit-hop" category as if they're the same as Sean Kingston, MIMS and Akon.

I see so much hate for Beyonce and to me a lot of it is unwarrented and is the "cool" thing to do on this forum. If you don't like her, why go into a thread about her just to hate? Sure, I do that for Prince sometimes but at least he's done something to deserve it by taking videos down. Beyonce is simply overexposed [well was, she's been on the downlow lately right?] and to me that shouldn't detract from her music at all. She was on a world tour after all so of course she's going to be visible.

I just feel like in every thread made about music today, there will always be some posters that come in simply to dis it because it's now and wasn't made in the 70's or 80's. I get that there are mainly older people on this forum but I think a little respect wouldn't hurt both ways. I don't really see the young people here slagging off music older people listen to so surely we deserve the same back?



In 20 years from now you may being saying "The music of today (2027) is not as good as the music of 2007".
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Reply #80 posted 10/30/07 4:53pm

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kpowers said:

purplesweat said:

Just my two cents on this forum :

I feel like no one can admit openly to liking music released this millenium without 10 posters jumping on them saying how crap or "shit hop" it is.

I KNOW a lot of it is drivel and shouldn't be released, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING is and it doesn't mean people should be teased or seen as any less for liking it. I'm not talking about Akon or Sean Kingston crapola. I'm talking about Nelly Furtado, Beyonce, The Neptunes. Artists today with a bit of flair and individuality, but still get lumped into the same "shit-hop" category as if they're the same as Sean Kingston, MIMS and Akon.

I see so much hate for Beyonce and to me a lot of it is unwarrented and is the "cool" thing to do on this forum. If you don't like her, why go into a thread about her just to hate? Sure, I do that for Prince sometimes but at least he's done something to deserve it by taking videos down. Beyonce is simply overexposed [well was, she's been on the downlow lately right?] and to me that shouldn't detract from her music at all. She was on a world tour after all so of course she's going to be visible.

I just feel like in every thread made about music today, there will always be some posters that come in simply to dis it because it's now and wasn't made in the 70's or 80's. I get that there are mainly older people on this forum but I think a little respect wouldn't hurt both ways. I don't really see the young people here slagging off music older people listen to so surely we deserve the same back?



In 20 years from now you may being saying "The music of today (2027) is not as good as the music of 2007".


I know lol

In that sense I may stop complaining too.
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Reply #81 posted 10/30/07 5:04pm

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shortstuff45220 said:

No. I don't think it's all bad at all. I think lot of you just aren't giving it a chance or maybe it's a generation things I don't know. I didn't really care for my parents music and they don't care for mind. confused


Here we go with that "my parents said the same thing about my music" excuse again. When I was a teenager, my mother was clubbing every night with people her own age. The music they were clubbing to was the current music on the radio at the time. They didn't make special music for older people to listen to. Everyone listened to the current radio and I heard very little complaining. The complaining I heard at the time was only a fraction of the complaining I hear now.

Yeah, my mother grew up on The Supremes and The Four Tops but she had no problem adapting to The Gap Band or Kool and the Gang and neither did most people her age. Styles naturally changed through the years but the music was still actual "music". It also remained uptempo and fun.


Exactly. The music that dominates the airwaves now (at least in the soul music forum) is not remotely uptempo and has not been since the early 1990s. My family was like yours -- I have one uncle who is huge Parliament/Funkadelic fan, my mother was a big Al Green fan, virtually everyone in my family loved The Isley Brothers, at least one aunt was a huge Teddy Pendergrass fan, one uncle jammed The Bar-Kays and Cameo, etc. When they were my age, they weren't into some depressing-sounding, downbeat crap like the music scene out there today.
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Reply #82 posted 10/30/07 5:14pm

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Every year I manage to find dozen or so albums that I like quite a bit and three or four that I absolutely love. Almost everything else that gets released falls outside the paramaters of styles that I enjoy, but presumably there are people out there who get some satisfaction out of it. While I've occasionally lamented the lack of melody and true song structure in today's pop, as long as my needs are met, I likely won't complain too loudly.
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Reply #83 posted 10/30/07 5:22pm

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damosuzuki said:

shrug

Every year I manage to find dozen or so albums that I like quite a bit and three or four that I absolutely love. Almost everything else that gets released falls outside the paramaters of styles that I enjoy, but presumably there are people out there who get some satisfaction out of it. While I've occasionally lamented the lack of melody and true song structure in today's pop, as long as my needs are met, I likely won't complain too loudly.


I would have figured as much, coming from you.
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Reply #84 posted 10/30/07 5:29pm

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damosuzuki said:

shrug

Every year I manage to find dozen or so albums that I like quite a bit and three or four that I absolutely love. Almost everything else that gets released falls outside the paramaters of styles that I enjoy, but presumably there are people out there who get some satisfaction out of it. While I've occasionally lamented the lack of melody and true song structure in today's pop, as long as my needs are met, I likely won't complain too loudly.


I would have figured as much, coming from you.

falloff

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Reply #85 posted 10/30/07 5:30pm

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damosuzuki said:

malcolmmooney said:



I would have figured as much, coming from you.

falloff

oh crackers. I cannot believe what I'm seeing.


Never thought you'd see me again, huh? Thought you'd just dust me off by helming a watered-down Can for 3 and a half albums? Well, you thought wrong! razz
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Reply #86 posted 10/30/07 6:40pm

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lspear76 said:


I think all rap, hip hop is garbage and all music within the past 10 years is garbage. All the great songs have already been made.


unbelievable
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Reply #87 posted 10/30/07 7:08pm

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i think a lot of today's artists are talented i just think they have nothing to work with it cuz the songwriting SUCKS! and couldn't write a hook to save their life

for example that really popular and ANNOYING song by Colbie Caillat

"The rain is falling on my window pane
But we are hiding in a safer place
under cover staying safe and warm
you give me feelings that I adore


It starts in my toes makes me crinkle my nose
where ever it goes I always know
that you make me smile
please stay for awhile now
just take your time where ever you go"

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Reply #88 posted 10/30/07 7:12pm

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and another thing today's music is just too damn SLOW! it's like all the artist's in music started taking Valium after 1992 smile
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Reply #89 posted 10/30/07 7:26pm

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meow85 said:



Sampling can be interesting but for the most part it's just lazy. Where's the artistry in ripping off someone else's work?


there's no "artistry" inherent in any technique or style of making music, it's what you do with techniques or styles that counts. there are plenty of extremely lazy artists/bands out there who have never and will never touch a sample, but are for all intents and purposes just ripping off someone else's work, far more so than most people who sample. a good, original piece of music is a good, original piece of music. a bad, unoriginal piece of music is a bad, unoriginal piece of music. how it was made is irrelevant.

calling sampling "lazy" shows a complete ignorance and/or misunderstanding of the form. i make both sample-based and instrument-based music, and find sampling to be considerably more difficult, and a hell of a lot more time-consuming. you can spend hours looking for, say, just the right horn sample. or spend hours "nudging" tiny 0.1 second blocks of sound around on the computer screen to get the groove just right. whereas you can throw down some drums, a chord progression, a bassline and a lead melody and have a whole pop song in 20 minutes or so. and sampling's so satisfying: when you pull together tiny cut-outs from five or six completely different and disparate genres then fuse them together to create someone entirely new that sounds nothing like any of the stuff you sampled, and which moves as one piece rather than as five stuck together, its a wonderful feeling.

here are some quotes from various producers which might help explain, as i think I think there is a huge gap in the general public's perception of sampling concerning WHY and HOW people who sample actually do it:

"[Samples have] a certain reality. It doesn't just take the sound, it takes the whole way it was recorded. The ambient sounds, the little bits of reverb left off crashes that happened a couple of bars ago. There's a lot of things in the sample, just like when you take a picture—it's got a lot more levels than say, the kick-drum or the drum machine, I think. [...] Looking at a sampler the way it was used first—to try and simulate real instruments—you didn't have to get a session guitarist and you could just be like, 'Hey, I can have an orchestra in my track, and I can have a guitar, and it sounds real!' And I think that's the wrong way to use sampling. The right way is to get the guitar, and go, 'Right, that's a guitar. Let's make it into something that a guitar could never possibly be.' You know, take it away from the source and try to make it something else. Might as well just get a bloody guitarist if you want a guitarist. There's plenty of them." —Amon Tobin

"Producers like Organized Noize mix samples and live instruments really well, but for me, it almost feels like a cop-out, because I'm a collage artist. It's like, 'Damn, if only I could find this one part. Well, maybe if I just had somebody paint it, and then I'll put it out.' That almost feels like cheating. Lots of times, I have trouble finding bass lines, because it's not very often on a record that there are good open bass lines. Sometimes I wish I could just have somebody come in and do what I want him to do on a bass line. It would be so easy. But what I do just keeps things much more challenging, I guess." —DJ Shadow

"Cutting and pasting is the essence of what hip-hop culture is all about for me. It's about drawing from what's around you, and subverting it and de-contextualizing it." —DJ Shadow

"When I sample something, it's because there's something ingenious about it. And if it isn't the group as a whole, it's that song. Or, even if it isn't the song as a whole, it's a genius moment, or an accident or something that makes it just utterly unique to the other trillions of hours of records that I've plowed through" —DJ Shadow, 33 1/3 Volume 24: DJ Shadow's Endtroducing..., 2005

"I look at all the different parts and see how I can organize them in a way. It’s like mathematics. Very mathematic. It’s like graphs! You’re always searching for the combination that sounds best. It’s kind you set back, and feel the thing. If you want something to come in, you have to search for it, listen to it." —Blockhead

"You got stuff darting in and out absolutely everywhere. It's like someone throwing rice at you. You have to grab every little piece and put it in the right place like a puzzle. Very complicated. All those little snippets and pieces that go in, along with the regular drums that you gotta drop out in order to make room for it." —Eric Sadler of Public Enemy's Bomb Squad


thank you for this underrated reply!
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