Ellie and Floetcist, thanks for the articles. Obviously those who need to read it heaven´t read it, but I have.

dag said:

u mean if people read it the controversy about Mj being a paedo would be over?????


pppff...

EmbattledWarrior said:

I just turned 18 earlier this month

floetcist said:

I would've made you a Happy Birthday thread if you told me!

My 20th bday is next Wednesday so I expect someone to make a "Bboy appreciation thread" in GD!

I'm a huge MJ fan. I've loved his music since I was a kid. But at the end of the day none of us really know whether MJ has ever molested young boys or not (although sometimes you have to wonder if at some point and time he's has been guilty of these acts), but I think that one thing we can agree on is that MJ is in need of help. He has a deep-rooted psychological problem that is in need of serious treatment.

bboy87 said:

This forum doesn't automatically change your age when your birthday passes, so I had to go and edit my profile. How foul is that?

You're going to have to remind me about your birthday

floetcist said:

ahhh
Temptation

floetcist said:

Not to turn this back into a vitiligo thread but since you called me out, I feel I must respond....( and yes I know the proper name of the disease...ever heard of a typo)?

Anyhoo, I'm a bit older than you youngster, and I can call you that cause I have kids your aged. I was practically raised on MJ. I watched his every public move he made while I was growing up. I was totally in love with the man since I was 4 years old.
uuring the 80's/90's,I watched him gradually become lighter and lighter. Never have I seen a photo of MJ with splotches, unless it's some doctored photo that I have an original "unsplotched" copy of, or some photo showing some body part with spots after he was already in his present condition. What did he do to himself? I have no idea. Now this depigmentation thing, why would it kill a person who doesn't have vitiligo, but not kill someone without it? Can you explain that please?

http://www.nvfi.org/vitiligo.htm
http://www.vitiligosupport.com/faq.cfm

What is Vitiligo?
Vitiligo is a relatively common skin disorder, in which white spots or patches appear on the skin. These spots are caused by destruction or weakening of the pigment cells in those areas, resulting in the pigment being destroyed or no longer produced. In most cases, vitiligo is believed to be an autoimmune-related disorder. Although researchers are not exactly sure what causes the autoimmune response, more is being learned every year. In vitiligo, only the color of the skin is affected. The texture and other skin qualities remain normal.

What are the symptoms of Vitiligo?
People who develop vitiligo usually first notice white patches or spots (depigmentation) on their skin. The skin remains of normal texture, and there is usually no itching or other symptoms. These patches are more obvious in sun-exposed areas, including the hands, feet, arms, legs, face, and lips. Other common areas for white patches to appear are the armpits and groin and around the mouth, eyes, nostrils, navel, and genitals. Vitiligo generally appears in one of three patterns. In one pattern (focal pattern), the depigmentation is limited to one or only a few areas. Some people develop depigmented patches on only one side of their bodies (segmental vitiligo). But for most people who have vitiligo, depigmentation occurs on different parts of the body (generalized vitiligo), often similar on each side of the body. In addition to white patches on the skin, some people with vitiligo may experience white hair growing in on the scalp, eyelashes, eyebrows, and beard. In extremely rare cases, vitiligo can affect eye color or the pigment of the retina.

Does genetics play a role?
Most people with vitiligo have neither parents, nor children, nor siblings with vitiligo. Many have no other relatives with vitiligo. Vitiligo does appear to be hereditary, that is, it can run in families. Children whose parents have the disorder are more likely to develop vitiligo. There is no question about that. However, most children will not get vitiligo even if a parent has it, and most people with vitiligo do not have a family history of the disorder. So the chances of your child developing vitiligo appear to be very small. Nevertheless, there are sufficient numbers of families where vitiligo does appear among siblings, parents and children, such that we can assume a genetic factor.

How does Vitiligo Develop?
The beginning of Vitiligo and the severity of pigment loss differs with each patient. Light skinned people usually notice the pigment loss during the summer as the contrast between the vitiliginous skin and the suntanned skin becomes distinct. People with dark skin may observe the onset of Vitiligo at any time. Individuals who have severe cases will lose pigment over their entire body surface. There is no way to predict how much pigment an individual will lose, Illness and stress can result in more pigment loss. The degree of pigment loss can also vary within each Vitiligo patch, and a border of abnormally dark skin may encircle a patch of depigmented skin.

Vitiligo frequently begins with a rapid loss of pigment which may be followed by a lengthy period when the skin color does not change. Later, the pigment loss may resume — perhaps after the individual has suffered physical trauma or stress. The loss of color may continue until, for unknown reasons, the process stops. Cycles of pigment loss, followed by periods of stability may continue indefinitely. It is rare for a patient with Vitiligo to repigment or regain skin color spontaneously. Most patients who say that they no longer have Vitiligo may actually have become depigmented and are no longer bothered by contrasting skin color. While such patients appear to be “cured”, they really are not. People who have Vitiligo all over their bodies do not look like albinos because the color of their hair may not change — or it can be dyed — and eye color does not change.

Emotional Impact
Most individuals with Vitiligo are upset because of the uneven skin color. It is difficult for those who do not have Vitiligo to appreciate the significance of this problem to the victim.

Depigmentation Therapy
If a person has Vitiligo over more than half of the exposed areas of the body, he or she is not a candidate for repigmentation. Rather, such a person may want to try depigmentation of the remaining pigmented skin. The drug for depigmentation is monobenzylether of hydroquinone. Many patients with Vitiligo are at first apprehensive about the idea of depigmentation and reluctant to go ahead. However, patients who achieve complete depigmentation are usually satisfied with the end results. Some people become allergic to the medication and must discontinue therapy. This therapy takes about a year to complete. The pigment removal is permanent.

Sensitivity to the sun
Patches of vitiligo skin have no natural protection against the sun’s rays. This is because vitiligo skin is white as the melanocytes which produce melanin (skin pigment) are not active. The effect of the sun is normally to increase melanin production and to turn the skin brown; this is a protective mechanism to prevent the skin from being damaged by burning. Therefore, the most important reason for protecting your skin is to prevent sunburn. Not only is this painful, but damage to the skin, including sunburn, can stimulate the vitiligo to spread in some people. As vitiligo skin is particularly vulnerable to sunlight and needs protection, some brands of sunblock are classified by the NHS (The British National Health Service) as borderline substances which means they can be obtained on prescription from your doctor.

he may have vitiligo but who cares...

the thing is that he CHANGED HIS BLACK FEATURES TO BECOME A CAUCASIAN 90 YEAR OLD LADY, thats the sad part.

he hated being black.

the white skin is too much coincidence on someone who did the imposible to look like a white person.

he sucks

electrorock said:

He also could have changed his black features because he was becoming white due to vitiligo. These speculations could go on and on no matter how you look at it.

dag said:

what?? are u drunk?

MJ changing his black features to become a white lady is a FACT and not and speculation. do u think he changed them against his will? ppff...

electrorock said:

To become white lady is a fact? If you believe that white ladies wear military outfits then it must be a fact. Or if it´s the make-up that´s giving you the impression? You know it is interesting that he started wearing makeup with the vitiligo not prior. Prince has no vitiligo and has worn make-up from the very begining. Or could it be the long hair that´s giving you the impression? OK, but than there are more man trying to be a lady.

dag said:

a white lady can be dresses as a marine corp if whe wants. im talking about FEATURES. nose-chin-lips-eyebrows etc.

get it now?

he has white lady features and if u add the lipstick wig make up it becomes even worse...a really old white lady.

illimack said:

Thank you. That has always been my problem with the vitiligo story. I have seen many people with vitilgo it is not has uncommon as people think. But never have I seen a person with vitilgo become gradually lighter the way Michael has. They initially have white splotches that become bigger but their complexion is rarely ever even unless they wear makeup. And when they do wear makeup it's usually the colour of their natural complexion. This was never the case with Michael. He went from a Mocha complexion to a caramel complexion to biege to white in a very even way. Why would he be wearing biege or caramel makeup when his natural complexion is a toffee like complexion and his patches are white, it doesn't make sense.

However, I do know if you use bleaching creams over a long period of time they can discolour and damage your skin permanetly, thus one part of yor skin can have white patches and another part of your skin can look burnt. And that's why I say Michael vitiligo can be self-induced.
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whatsgoingon said:

HOw do you know which copy is original. And why would the "unsplotch" copy be the original? I think that nowadays ppl are playing with the photograph to make them perfect no to look worse in them. And BTW it´s not just pictures. Look at They don´t care about us video. You can see the blotches. Ad also, why do you think he wears tons of makeup?
HOw do you know that using bleaching creams over a perdiod of time can discolor your skin. Have you done it? I was told by a doctor that NO cream can make you white permanently.

electrorock said:

I don´t know what is lady-like on a chin with a cleft. I thought that was manly feature. Nowadays, everybody is tweezing their eyebrows. All the man celebrities are. HIs nose is only his. Nobody else has such nose. Not even a white lady.

electrorock said:

I agree.The vitiligo story might have been more believable if Mike hadn't done all those other things to make himself look white.Long before any of us heard about vitiligo,he was having numerous surgeries to alter his appearance and get rid of his African American features.To me,the vitiligo excuse is too convenient.And I honestly think that,if he truly does have vitiligo,he doesn't mind it one bit It fits right into his plan.He now has an excuse to go around,looking like a white woman.He can hide behind that excuse all he likes,but it's pretty obvious how he really wants to look.

dag said:

his nose is a complete joke. its a fucked up nose job.

u can do ur eyebrows like a man, not like a woman. plus add the make up wig lipstick etc and u get an old white lady. he obviously does not look like a 50 year old BLACK MAN.

dag said:

I am black myself and live within the black community and I have seen the damage that bleaching creams have done amongst black women especially. You don't have to use it to see their effects. Those that use them over a long period of time have a tendency to become discoloured. I am not saying they look white all over, but their skin can become permanetly damaged. It is a well know fact that long term use can cause permanent damage to the skin and it's one of the reasons why skin specialists want them banned. Not just because of the message it sends out; that light is best, but because of the actual long term damage they can do to the skin.

My hairdresser (she is a very good hairdresser at that) as the problem. She bleaches her skin and she has been doing so for years and up to a year ago her skin looked pretty even and good even, but now you can see the effects of the cream. She has developed a white patch on one side of her face and on the other side of her face it has become much darker than the rest of her like she is has been burnt. Now people like that will use makeup to cover up the damage and others if they have the money get medical help. In the case of MJ he obviously has a skin specialist; whats to say he wasn't offered depigmentation to even out skin that had already been damaged by bleaching and knowing MJ love for all things white he probably jumped at the chance.

And the fact of the matter is myself and many others here have been following MJ for years well before Thriller. Well before photoshop. So yes many of us have seen original photographs of him, with and without makeup. I have seen pictures of Michael where his acne looked really bad and yet there no pictures of Michael at the initial stages of his vitiligo, none what so ever. It's only when he practically became more white than black that we are now seeing pictures of him with BROWN PATCHES on mainly white skin. Where are the pictures of him with white patches on his mostly black skin? Surely there should be geniue pictures of him dating back to the early 80s when his skin disease apparently first appeared?
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[Edited 10/30/07 5:23am]

bboy87 said:

Ooo hell naw, no R. Kelly paedophile jokes on an MJ thread, thats just wrong!

As the Arruh once related to MJ:

You are not alone, I am here with you...

dag said:

One of the funniest most random comments on Prince.org.
[Edited 10/30/07 6:00am]

SpecialEd said:[quote]

dag said:

It's just my theory,but I think Michael was obsessed with trying to look like his best friend/idol Elizabeth Taylor.I think that was his main goal but it obviously backfired

whatsgoingon said:

Sounds spot on. Its almost inconceivable that the self-hatred poster child won't have used skin bleach to wash mother africa away.

SoulAlive said:

wrong. MJ tried to look like diana ross in the 80s and then he decided it was cooler to look like thos japanese cartoon guys. huge eyes, no-nose, no lips, very pale etc

thats what he became, a japanese cartoon guy

electrorock said:

I agree with the part about Diana Ross.He wanted to look like her in the 80s,then he moved on to Elizabeth.He spent the 90s trying to look like her.

SoulAlive said:

Impossible, he wears military uniforms you see. So who has he been trying to look like in the 00s?

SpecialEd said:

here we go again with the military shit.

wer talking about features and not style or clothing.

if he wanted to look like liz taylor he did it soooo bad.

shit i wish i new how to post pics..