Who would say the best funk artist is? Who influenced the genre and made the best music for it? discussion.
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Duh. You gotta give props to the inventor.

Love James but I'd go with Bootsy. he worked with James, went 2 P-funk and then fronted his own thang.

Graycap23 said:

For once you and i agree...Bootsy IS funk

Case closed.

Bootsy did his own thing, but the question who influenced the genre and made the most music for it .. Bootsy cannot touch JB and he knows it!

Dyke & The Blazers should get some consideration...



...Maybe MrSoulpower will tell you the JB Fear Factor story.


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theAudience said:

Absolutely. But I'd still give JB the main responsibility. Dyke and the Blazers didn't form until 1964 - that year, JB released "Outta sight", which really is the first Funk song on in regards to "the one" pattern. Dyke's first big hit was "Funky Broadway", which was released in '66. At that time, JB had already released "Papa's got a brandnew bag" and "Cold Sweat". So basically, JB established the Funk, but Dyke and his gang really scared the hell out of James Brown.

theAudience said:

Dyke and the boys don't have that name out their, but the were there, along with Charles Wright and 103 Band.

But of course it's:

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JAMES BROWN
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MrSoulpower said:

JB is The King no doubt.
I should've clarified my statement by saying ...should get some consideration as a contributer to the JB architecture.


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theAudience said:

Oh hell yeah. But even JB doesn't deserve the respect for the sole discovery of "the one" .. hard boppers like Horace Silver and Andrew Hill were already playing with that idea back in the 1950s ..

MrSoulpower said:

And Art Blakey...


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theAudience said:

Absolutely. And it should be mentioned that the true originators for James Brown's lab of Funk would be these cats:

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MrSoulpower said:

The funk of the hard bop of 50s wasn't based on emphasizing 1 - 3 as JB instructed. The "funk" of Soul jazz in this period employed churchy, gospel blues feeling and boogaloo (Latin and Caribbean). Though the solo would change the count emphasis for a few bars, there was never an edict to lock down on 1 & 3. Jazz still had to swing and that comes from a 2 - 4 emphasis.
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PFunkjazz said:

Not exactly as JB instructed, but already back in the '50s, music critics like Feathers and Hentoff already referred to Horace Silver's compositions as "funky", because of it's R&B influence on a technical level. I know it's not exactly the same, or I would not have mentioned JB as my first choice ..

PFunkjazz said:

I think the point is that the Hard-Boppers channeled the pulse of the music towards a more R&B feel.
(which would include JB's feel on occasion but still have the freedom to swing where necessary).

Their ultimate aim was to create a more people-friendly groove-based Jazz music.

JB had plenty of boogaloo goin' on also.


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PFunkjazz said:

IS

MrSoulpower said:

I know the article you're referencing and that's exactly what JB meant.

theAudience said:

That's right ... especially during his instrumental phase on SMASH ...

Sly Stone invented the first ever funk album (Stand!). For this reason alone, Sly is the king of funk.

theAudience said:

Another aspect of JB's funk is repetition of short phrases. Locking on such ad infinitium would get you laughed off the bandstand...unless you were Miles Davis

TonyVanDam said:

I hate to break it down for ya, but "Stand" was not the first Funk album. Also, it doesn't matter who released Funk on album format first, it matters who released it first. And when it comes down to it, it was still James Brown.

TonyVanDam said:

Go back to the predecessors: LIFE and DANCE TO THE MUSIC

PFunkjazz said:

But even those were by far not the first Funk albums. "Dance to the music" was released in 1967, "Life" in 1968. Mant Funk albums by other artists had been released by that time. Also, I don't find it approciate to answer this question by looking at album releases. The most common format of record releases in Funk of the 1960s was the 45 (and still is).
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MrSoulpower said:

Without question.
Along with their forerunners Melvin Parker, Nat Kendrick & Clayton Fillyau.

The human drum machines!


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theAudience said:

Nate Jones not to be forgotten. He's the most underrated of all of JB's drummers.