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Reply #60 posted 10/22/07 11:16am

magnificentsyn
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Graycap23 said:

Bootsy took James Funk 2 a new level. What was George Clinton before Bootsy showed up? Bootsy is the common thread 4 funk from James19060's until 2007.


Funkadelic? confuse lol
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Reply #61 posted 10/22/07 11:40am

MrSoulpower

Today's greatest Funk acts IMO ..



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Reply #62 posted 10/22/07 11:54am

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George Clinton.

James Brown created the basis for Funk, but Funk would not sound like it does today without Dr Funkenstein.

P-Funk is the DNA for so many other forms of music. Its influence is undeniable.

After George (and James obviously) I'd say Bootsy Collins, Larry Graham, Sly Stone, and in recent years, Prince.

Plantlife are the best 'new' funk group I've heard in awhile. 'Drugs: The Misamericans' are quite possibly the best P-Funk band of the past decade.

GC is not the best in the top 4-5 though. George Clinton used many of JB's musicians (Bootsy, Catfish, Maceo, Fred, ect.)
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Reply #63 posted 10/22/07 12:33pm

2Jay

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2Jay said:




CARL CARLTON?????ARE U KIDDING ME?????


Yes. I'll be back my real answer:
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Reply #64 posted 10/22/07 1:03pm

Miles

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The best? Too hard, man lol
The most influental? This cat...


For me, no contest. Hugely assisted by his great 1960-75 bands, imo JB is the Alpha and the Omega of funk - The once and future King of Funk. I'm surprised this wasn't one of his many self-proclaimed titles, but he did have 'King of Soul' goin' on, I suppose smile.

While Sly obviously made several classic funk tracks, I'd actually class Sly as far more pop influenced; perhaps more a pioneer of 'funky pop', later practised and developed by the likes of Stevie Wonder etc.

George Clinton has always been a musicial magpie, but imo he never invented anything in his career. He just took Sly's cosmopolitan psychedelic pop soul template, added some JB, Hendrix and Norman Whitfield Temptations (imo a hugely underrated influence on P-Funk), borrowed Sun Ra's clothes and took it to the stage cool.

And, much as I love Bootsy, as a funk bass pioneer, he comes after Bernard Odum, Sam Thomas, Charles Sherrill (all '60s JB bass players for the unfunkified biggrin), Larry Graham, and the spiritual influence of that era of bass, James Jamerson.

So, for me, JB is the King of Funk and by far the best funk artist there has ever been and ever will be. Everyone else, however good they were/ are, is just standing on the shoulders of the giant that is the JB legacy.

Damn, just listing the above shows what a great era of music that was.
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Reply #65 posted 10/22/07 1:36pm

Miles

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Would anyone object if I said James Brown is the most influential person in modern music?

He influenced showmanship. Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, Prince, MC Hammer and a whole lot more were heavily influenced by JB's showmanship.

He created funk. I don't care what anyone says, JB was the creator. Alot of people try to put credit on Sly Stone's first record or some of Stevie Wonder's early stuff, but it was without JB who created funk.

He influenced hip-hop. Hip-hop was heavily influenced by JB. Not just the music but the dancing to. Talk to any breakdancer, James Brown is their biggest influenced. It can all be traced back to him.

The only act that comes close to having the influence JB has is The Beatles. But Lennon calls Elvis Presley one of his biggest influences, and JB was one of Elvis's biggest influences.

Look at the industry today. A bunch of little Michael Jackson rip-offs running around. Who was MJ influenced by more than anyone? Mr James Brown.

He is the biggest influence on modern music. Any objections?


None at all. A pretty sensible, balanced assessment.

Imo JB is, for better or worse (the worse mostly being hip hop and certain brands of jazz-funk wink) the most influential individual artist in the last 50 years of popular music. He to that what Louis Armstrong basically was to the previous generation.

While funk itself is arguably a dead genre, the rhythmic innovations of the Brown sound (whoever takes credit for inventing this bit or that element) reverberate through almost all modern forms of western dance music, also influencing other genres such as jazz, rock, reggae (arguably the 'chank' guitar, straight out of 'Papa's Bag', though there may be a Motown or Jamaican jazz source for that in reggae), disco and electronic dance music along the way.

Elvis was less influential musically imo, much as I like him. However, personal analysis of his 1950s and late '60s-early '70s work in particular reveals he had a very unique rhythmic sense, expressed through body movement, that his bands had to watch and follow or die - not unlike James Brown himself.This 'sense' was never as classically formalised as Brown's 'commandments of funk' cool, and Elvis' rhythmic 'feel' was imo original and personal to him and is very difficult to successfully duplicate. This 'feel' is perhaps the secret of why his great up-tempo music is so unique. The latter similarly but x 10 for JB.

I like some of Michael Jackson's work, but his impact on dance music is entirely post James Brown. And Prince's funk music, however brilliant it was in the '80s and at times '90s, is clearly nowhere without the JB template.

While the Brown Sound clearly has many ancestors in r n b, gospel (err, Dixie Hummingbirds main duo = the original JB and Bobby Byrd anyone? Man they could get down for Jesus' sake biggrin), hard-bop jazz and onwards, without the uniquely dynamic human being that was James Brown, funk would never have entered fruition in the way it did, and may not even have been 'invented' in the first place.

All lay hands on the sacred grooves of the 'Papa's Got a Brand New Bag' '45 and say 'Amen', followed by a loud 'Good God!!'. lol
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Reply #66 posted 10/22/07 1:40pm

Timmy84

Who the king? You should KNOW who the king is and that is James Joseph Brown. cool
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Reply #67 posted 10/22/07 2:05pm

Slave2daGroove

MrSoulpower said:

Today's greatest Funk acts IMO ..





Check out the Bamboos from Australia, same funk different chunk of earth...
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Reply #68 posted 10/22/07 2:25pm

jonylawson

Slave2daGroove said:

MrSoulpower said:

Today's greatest Funk acts IMO ..





Check out the Bamboos from Australia, same funk different chunk of earth...


who are these cats-osaka monorail??? info please!
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Reply #69 posted 10/22/07 2:35pm

2Jay

jonylawson said:

Slave2daGroove said:



Check out the Bamboos from Australia, same funk different chunk of earth...


who are these cats-osaka monorail??? info please!

http://www.myspace.com/osakamonaurail
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Reply #70 posted 10/22/07 2:36pm

2Jay

2Jay said:

jonylawson said:



who are these cats-osaka monorail??? info please!

http://www.myspace.com/osakamonaurail


They were mostly the touring band for Marva White. I know whay you're feeling: I had never heard of them either. I googled them.
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Reply #71 posted 10/22/07 2:47pm

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2Jay said:



Oooh shit. lol Dem curls!
Ooh, little darlin' if you're
free 4 a couple of hours (Free 4 a couple of hours)
If U ain't busy 4 the next 7 years (Next 7 years)
Say, let's pretend we're married and go all night
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Reply #72 posted 10/22/07 2:56pm

heybaby

2Jay said:

2Jay said:



They were mostly the touring band for Marva White. I know whay you're feeling: I had never heard of them either. I googled them.


sounds pretty good.
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Reply #73 posted 10/22/07 4:05pm

MrSoulpower

2Jay said:

2Jay said:



They were mostly the touring band for Marva White. I know whay you're feeling: I had never heard of them either. I googled them.


That's Marva Whitney, not Marva White. wink Osaka Monaurail have been performing for 15 years. They have released four albums and a dozen 45s. I've been working with them for a couple of years now, and I honestly say that as a live act, they are the closest to the James Brown orchestra that I have seen so far, and definetely the tighest band these days.

Check out some clips on YouTube:

With Marva Whitney:

http://www.youtube.com/wa..._N1FK_1zf4
http://www.youtube.com/wa...t7cqhoYRKs

Alone:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...31R9EzwI10
http://www.youtube.com/wa...L2lKwrNgHQ
http://www.youtube.com/wa...CmzHiwUp80
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Reply #74 posted 10/22/07 9:43pm

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Is there any female artist(s) that made a influencial impact on Funk?
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Reply #75 posted 10/22/07 9:54pm

Graycap23

Krytonite said:

Is there any female artist(s) that made a influencial impact on Funk?

A couple of ladies that worked with James and George Clinton, and maybe Meshell Ndegeocello abut that's about it.
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Reply #76 posted 10/23/07 1:46am

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Krytonite said:

Is there any female artist(s) that made a influencial impact on Funk?


BETTY DAVIS !



patrice rushen


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Reply #77 posted 10/23/07 4:37am

MrSoulpower

Krytonite said:

Is there any female artist(s) that made a influencial impact on Funk?















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Reply #78 posted 10/25/07 8:16am

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Reply #79 posted 10/25/07 8:17am

magnificentsyn
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MrSoulpower said:

Today's greatest Funk acts IMO ..



Damn, they're coming to my city in Nov, should I go question
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Reply #80 posted 10/25/07 8:22am

Harlepolis

This is THEE single undisputed queen of funk, nevermind what you heard...

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Reply #81 posted 10/25/07 8:28am

Thibaut

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Reply #82 posted 10/25/07 9:06am

MrSoulpower

magnificentsynthesizer said:

MrSoulpower said:

Today's greatest Funk acts IMO ..



Damn, they're coming to my city in Nov, should I go question


Definetely!!! Where are you based?
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Reply #83 posted 10/25/07 9:28am

magnificentsyn
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MrSoulpower said:

magnificentsynthesizer said:



Damn, they're coming to my city in Nov, should I go question


Definetely!!! Where are you based?


Milwaukee.



confused
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