sosgemini said:[quote]

Rodya24 said:

Do you really want him to do that?

sosgemini said:[quote]

Rodya24 said:

How does that translate to "she has zero cultural impact in Great Britain"? I do not understand. You accuse me of hyperbole. Well, speak for yourself.

On the other hand, you are right. Janet Jackson has made a significant impact worldwide. Her breast exposure at Superbowl and the American reaction to it certainly cemented her place in popular cultural memory around the world.

Man this board always gotta have some technical difficulties.

Anyway, Janet on Def Jam, Madonna supposedly going to Live Nation, and both of them got money and don't give a fuck what we're saying.

Getting personal just to prove a point, that's not cute.
[Edited 10/11/07 21:28pm]

sosgemini said:

Whoops. It's getting late.

Rodya24 said:

your entire argument within this thread and a various others within the last week has been that janet had no impact on the global culture outside of the US. Folks have slowly but surely pointed out countering evidence and you are now accepting the fact that she has had some contact but only under the guise of a joke relating to her pathetic nipplegate timeperiod. folks have posted platinum sales and top selling singles and yet you can't even be gracious and accept, "hey...i over stated myself" you instead gotta bring up nipplegate.

well, aight. we know where you are coming from...and yet i still aint found out more about marlon's homosexual tendencies. thanks a lot.

sosgemini said:

Here are the forty best selling albums in the UK for 2001. As you'll see Janet is nowhere on the list. Please wake up. Janet is not that big over here. bboy87 already proved that.


1 No Angel Dido 1
2 Swing When You're Winning Robbie Williams 1
3 White Ladder David Gray 1
4 Just Enough Education to Perform Stereophonics 1
5 Dreams Can Come True - Greatest Hits Volume 1 Gabrielle 2
6 Gold - Greatest Hits Steps 1
7 The Invisible Band Travis 1
8 Songbird Eva Cassidy 1
9 Survivor Destiny's Child 1
10 Fever Kylie Minogue 1
11 Hot Shot Shaggy 1
12 Iowa Slipknot 1
13 Hybrid Theory Linkin Park 4
14 Popstars Hear'Say 1
15 Not That Kind Anastacia 2
16 All Rise Blue 2
17 Sunshine S Club 7 3
18 Encore Russell Watson 6
19 Parachutes Coldplay 1
20 GHV2 (Greatest Hits Volume 2) Madonna 2
21 Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog Flavoured Water Limp Bizkit 1
22 Gorillaz Gorillaz 3
23 All That You Can't Leave Behind U2 1
24 The Record - Their Greatest Hits Bee Gees 5
25 Echoes - The Best Of Pink Floyd 2
26 Whoa, Nelly! Nelly Furtado 2
27 The Story So Far - The Very Best Of Rod Stewart 7
28 A Funk Odyssey Jamiroquai 1
29 Onka's Big Moka Toploader 4
30 J.Lo Jennifer Lopez 2
31 The Greatest Hits Texas 1
32 Sing When You're Winning Robbie Williams 1
33 Solid Bronze - Great Hits Beautiful South 10
34 Songs From The West Coast Elton John 2
35 1 The Beatles 1
36 The Ultimate Collection Billy Joel 4
37 The Very Best Of The Eagles 3
38 Songs In A Minor Alicia Keys 7
39 Rise Gabrielle 1
40 The Marshall Mathers LP Eminem 1

sosgemini said:

I called him a party pooper a few times because he was getting TOO deep into conversation. And he is and the motherfucker totally made me forget that Marlon once touched one of the posters here's ass!

Matta of fact, he come in here posting about some global impact bullshit, I'm gonna say that word "party pooper" and post an evil smiley and see what he says.

midnightmover said:

those arent showing sales though...i recall Control not hiting the top of its list because the sales were split into two years...whatever the case may be, the album still sold a lofty figure... wouldnt you agree?

sosgemini said:

No. I was being serious with the statement on nipplegate. The American reaction to her role in particular did make an impact worldwide.

I never argued that she has "no impact on the global culture outside of the US"; I have been arguing that she is not the icon as some in the Janet Jackson brigade make her out to be.

midnightmover said:

Most of these people SUCK. Except probably Billy Joel, Elton John, Rod Stewart, the Eagles, Alicia and Madonna but other than that... oh and Pink Floyd but..
[Edited 10/11/07 21:37pm]

Rodya24 said:

You fucking party pooper!

I wonder if Marlon ever got some ass. Embattled Warrior, bring yo ass in here and save this thread from going to the Titanic! SHIT!

Timmy84 said:

Tell me about it.

Timmy84 said:

Timmy84 said:

Rodya24 said:

which is subjective...depending on your own f*cking biases...which has been my argument all along. damn!!!

midnightmover said:

The site I got the info from was www.mjjcharts.com

It's a site that compiles chart and sales info on the Jackson family from all charts around the world

sosgemini said:

[Edited 10/11/07 21:45pm]

sosgemini said:

I give up. You have obviously been a Janet Jackson fan for over a decade.
[Edited 10/11/07 21:43pm]

Rodya24 said:

actually, my top masturbatory artist within the past decade have been aimee mann, bjork and radiohead...but thanks for playing, we have some lovely partying gifts for you. ;lol:

sosgemini said:

Still... you have been a Janet Jackson fan for over a decade. Did you become a fan when Control came out?

Ok back to Marlon:

Marlon David Jackson
Birthday: March 12, 1957
Children: Valencia, Brittny, Marlon Jr.
Facts: 1957 - His twin-brother Brandon died within twenty-four hours after birth
1975 - married Carol Ann Parker
1976 - Valencia was born
1978 - Brittny was born
1982 - Marlon Jr. was born
1986 - leaving The Jacksons
1987 - released his only solo album "Baby Tonight"
1987 - the single "Don't go" placed number 2 in the US R&B Charts
1987 - played Joseph Williams in the movie "Student Confidential"
2002 - Marlon is an executive board member of the Major Broadcasting Cable Network (MBC Network).

bboy87 said:

Let's cut to the chase. Janet's total album sales in the UK are 2.5 million. What are Mike's total album sales in the UK?

sosgemini said:

No, not at all. The reason I dug this list up is because I remember All For You not staying on the charts very long. It had certainly left the charts by 2002. This list basically chimes with my memory of 2001. Dido, David Grey, Eminem still lingering from the previous year, and Janet way down the pecking order as always. All For You was released around April or May so it had plenty of time to make the list. Most of the albums on here, like Alicia's, were released after All For You. The album was not a big success here. No Janet album ever really has been.
[Edited 10/11/07 22:02pm]

Come to think of it, in all seriousness, while most Japanese do not follow American football (the Superbowl is not as big of an event as the World Series or American baseball in general in Japan or South Korea), the American reaction to nipplegate did have an impact (not big, of course since there was the situation in the Middle East) worldwide.

midnightmover said:

2001 was also the year when Invincible did not do well on the UK charts.

midnightmover said:

this reminds me of "reaching one" by wendy and lisa..."cause we go on and on and on and on and on...counting backwards from one hundred...never reaching one."

we are back to your "hunch" theory, right?

sosgemini said:

I just added to that post. Here is what I put.... "All For You was released around April or May so it had plenty of time to make the list. Most of the albums on here, like Alicia's and Madonna's, were released after All For You". There you have it.
[Edited 10/11/07 22:07pm]

Rodya24 said:

Yeah, it made a big noise for about one week and then it was gone.

All the while.....


hey bboy87, they haven't said nothin' about me yet, have they?

nah Mike, they're still blabbering about Janet.....


Mike:foreal? well cool



Invincible stayed in the UK Top 100 for a total 16 weeks