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PrintableRodya24 said:  I never denied that Janet was successful here. I said in this thread that she has had success with her dance songs. In fact, in another thread, I said that she has done better chart-wise in Japan than her brother.
She might have been successful in the past, but to call her an icon on the level of Madonna or MJ like some Americans think she is is wrong. And to argue that because she is a Jackson or that because the Jacksons have been successful as recording artists, all of them are seen as an American embarrassment in Japan is wrong too. The world does not revolve around the US or the Jacksons. Hard to swallow for some (not you), I know. [Edited 10/11/07 17:22pm] Um, who actually thinks Janet is as big as Michael and Madonna? I've never heard anyone (except for a few crazy Janet fans) say that. The people who think that Janet is as big as MJ & Madonna are in the minority, most people know better than that. "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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midnightmover said: sosgemini said: no they are not...and im not even a huge janet fan...i like the two of them pretty much the same..actually, i've seen madge in concert more...but bullsh*t still smells like bullsh*t no matter whose arse its coming from.  sos. I like you. You're generally one of the more intelligent orgers, but you're in a minority of one if you don't realise that Janet is far less popular than Madonna internationally and always has been. Rodya is completely right and I think you'll find most people around here, be they American, European, or Asian already know that. If you've gone around for the last twenty years thinking Janet was a phenomenon all over the world then I'm sorry to tell you otherwise, but she's not. She's had success in most territories, but nowhere near the success she's had in America. The same was true of Mariah Carey until, perhaps, her last album. Here in the UK Janet's never had a number one and her greatest significance for most is her connection to Michael. She was a medium-level star for about twelve years, but never more. Now that's still quite an accomplishment, but take one look at the popularity of Whitney, Madge, or even Prince, and it's soon put into perspective. It's the same story in most countries outside the US. I'm surprised you don't already know this. Most do. most of the claims are subjective pop-culture statements...its best to state things as opinion versus fact. thats the only point i am trying to make...i am not arguing specifics because you can't really argue something that is subjective. and expecially when we are dealing with cultures that we arent familiar with...i am not going to make claim to knowing the pulse of the entire world...yet rodya24 does, hence me telling him to tone down the rhetoric...its only an opinion. Space for sale... | |
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Cinnamon234 said: Rodya24 said: I never denied that Janet was successful here. I said in this thread that she has had success with her dance songs. In fact, in another thread, I said that she has done better chart-wise in Japan than her brother.
She might have been successful in the past, but to call her an icon on the level of Madonna or MJ like some Americans think she is is wrong. And to argue that because she is a Jackson or that because the Jacksons have been successful as recording artists, all of them are seen as an American embarrassment in Japan is wrong too. The world does not revolve around the US or the Jacksons. Hard to swallow for some (not you), I know. [Edited 10/11/07 17:22pm] Um, who actually thinks Janet is as big as Michael and Madonna? I've never heard anyone (except for a few crazy Janet fans) say that. The people who think that Janet is as big as MJ & Madonna are in the minority, most people know better than that. People on this forum. Did you not read the thread where Janet Jackson fans were arguing that she is as iconic as Madonna? | |
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sosgemini said: midnightmover said: sos. I like you. You're generally one of the more intelligent orgers, but you're in a minority of one if you don't realise that Janet is far less popular than Madonna internationally and always has been. Rodya is completely right and I think you'll find most people around here, be they American, European, or Asian already know that. If you've gone around for the last twenty years thinking Janet was a phenomenon all over the world then I'm sorry to tell you otherwise, but she's not. She's had success in most territories, but nowhere near the success she's had in America. The same was true of Mariah Carey until, perhaps, her last album. Here in the UK Janet's never had a number one and her greatest significance for most is her connection to Michael. She was a medium-level star for about twelve years, but never more. Now that's still quite an accomplishment, but take one look at the popularity of Whitney, Madge, or even Prince, and it's soon put into perspective. It's the same story in most countries outside the US. I'm surprised you don't already know this. Most do. most of the claims are subjective pop-culture statements...its best to state things as opinion versus fact. thats the only point i am trying to make...i am not arguing specifics because you can't really argue something that is subjective. and expecially when we are dealing with cultures that we arent familiar with...i am not going to make claim to knowing the pulse of the entire world...yet rodya24 does, hence me telling him to tone down the rhetoric...its only an opinion. Excuse me for assuming, but I am going to assume you are an American. Your "we" statements, and self-confessed ignorance about cultures outside of the US point to this conclusion. Midnightmover is from Great Britain. I am Asian. We both have more credentials to state whether or not a recording artist is "big" in the countries stated than you. | |
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Rodya24 said: Cinnamon234 said: Um, who actually thinks Janet is as big as Michael and Madonna? I've never heard anyone (except for a few crazy Janet fans) say that. The people who think that Janet is as big as MJ & Madonna are in the minority, most people know better than that. People on this forum. Did you not read the thread where Janet Jackson fans were arguing that she is as iconic as Madonna? In some cultures she is...and in some, she isnt...big wooooo....but you were mking some outlandish statements simply to knock folks down and that sh*t really does get old... man, its like this forum has become a playground all of a sudden... Space for sale... | |
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Cinnamon234 said: Rodya24 said: I never denied that Janet was successful here. I said in this thread that she has had success with her dance songs. In fact, in another thread, I said that she has done better chart-wise in Japan than her brother.
She might have been successful in the past, but to call her an icon on the level of Madonna or MJ like some Americans think she is is wrong. And to argue that because she is a Jackson or that because the Jacksons have been successful as recording artists, all of them are seen as an American embarrassment in Japan is wrong too. The world does not revolve around the US or the Jacksons. Hard to swallow for some (not you), I know. [Edited 10/11/07 17:22pm] Um, who actually thinks Janet is as big as Michael and Madonna? I've never heard anyone (except for a few crazy Janet fans) say that. The people who think that Janet is as big as MJ & Madonna are in the minority, most people know better than that. Even I'm a Janet fan and I know Michael and Madonna whup her in the popularity department.
Why is this even a discussion? I thought this was about Marlon.
Anyway, I thought Marlon WASN'T at Michael's trial... nice to see it though, thanks. 50 years old and looks 30. REAL Black don't crack. | |
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sosgemini said: Rodya24 said: People on this forum. Did you not read the thread where Janet Jackson fans were arguing that she is as iconic as Madonna? In some cultures she is...and in some, she isnt...big wooooo....but you were mking some outlandish statements simply to knock folks down and that sh*t really does get old... man, its like this forum has become a playground all of a sudden... That's what happens when Jackson fans collide, you get into a World War III breakdown.
I've decided to lay low. Any more crazy-ass shit comes out of people's mouths, I'm gonna fuck the threads up.
And whatever y'all do, don't divulge into a 10-page thread, I'm gonna be watching y'all...   [Edited 10/11/07 17:44pm] | |
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Rodya24 said: sosgemini said: most of the claims are subjective pop-culture statements...its best to state things as opinion versus fact. thats the only point i am trying to make...i am not arguing specifics because you can't really argue something that is subjective. and expecially when we are dealing with cultures that we arent familiar with...i am not going to make claim to knowing the pulse of the entire world...yet rodya24 does, hence me telling him to tone down the rhetoric...its only an opinion. Excuse me for assuming, but I am going to assume you are an American. Your "we" statements, and self-confessed ignorance about cultures outside of the US point to this conclusion. Midnightmover is from Great Britain. I am Asian. We both have more credentials to state whether or not a recording artist is "big" in the countries stated than you. oh yes, because Asian culture is such a united front. and the same for Europe. GET THE FUCK OUT!!! 
see, there you go again making outlandish statements in an attempt to discredit other's opinions...you ain't gotta roll like that man...just state your opinion without attempting to belittle others and this place will start to feel less like a playground...man. Space for sale... | |
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Timmy84 said: Cinnamon234 said: Um, who actually thinks Janet is as big as Michael and Madonna? I've never heard anyone (except for a few crazy Janet fans) say that. The people who think that Janet is as big as MJ & Madonna are in the minority, most people know better than that. Even I'm a Janet fan and I know Michael and Madonna whup her in the popularity department.
Why is this even a discussion? I thought this was about Marlon.
Anyway, I thought Marlon WASN'T at Michael's trial... nice to see it though, thanks. 50 years old and looks 30. REAL Black don't crack. Except if your name is Jasmine Guy but other than that I agree that this thread has gotten off topic (as usual) and yes Marlon looks great for his age. Most of the Jackson siblings except for the obvious two look good though. Rebbie is almost 60 and looks amazing for her age. Even Katherine looks good. Most of them are aging very well. "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ
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sosgemini said: Rodya24 said: People on this forum. Did you not read the thread where Janet Jackson fans were arguing that she is as iconic as Madonna? In some cultures she is...and in some, she isnt...big wooooo....but you were mking some outlandish statements simply to knock folks down and that sh*t really does get old... man, its like this forum has become a playground all of a sudden... Well, I am glad to know that other non-US citizens are not delusional. On a final note to those who think that the Jacksons are seen as an American embarrassment, in East Asia that is not the case. There are other greater American embarrassments. The current administration comes to mind. Have a lovely evening. | |
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Yep they sure do, Cinnamon.  [Edited 10/11/07 17:50pm] | |
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Rodya24 said: sosgemini said: In some cultures she is...and in some, she isnt...big wooooo....but you were mking some outlandish statements simply to knock folks down and that sh*t really does get old... man, its like this forum has become a playground all of a sudden... Well, I am glad to know that other non-US citizens are not delusional. On a final note to those who think that the Jacksons are seen as an American embarrassment, in East Asia that is not the case. There are other greater American embarrassments. The current administration comes to mind. Have a lovely evening. Boy, cut that shit out.  This is why Jackson threads are the way they are. And we dare say the Jacksons are dysfunctional. Look at y'all motherfuckas. | |
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Timmy84 said: Rodya24 said: Well, I am glad to know that other non-US citizens are not delusional. On a final note to those who think that the Jacksons are seen as an American embarrassment, in East Asia that is not the case. There are other greater American embarrassments. The current administration comes to mind. Have a lovely evening. Boy, cut that shit out. This is why Jackson threads are the way they are. And we dare say the Jacksons are dysfunctional. Look at y'all motherfuckas. cheap shots, always gotta get the last dig in...its like im talking to this guy:  Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Rodya24 said: Excuse me for assuming, but I am going to assume you are an American. Your "we" statements, and self-confessed ignorance about cultures outside of the US point to this conclusion. Midnightmover is from Great Britain. I am Asian. We both have more credentials to state whether or not a recording artist is "big" in the countries stated than you. oh yes, because Asian culture is such a united front. and the same for Europe. GET THE FUCK OUT!!!
see, there you go again making outlandish statements in an attempt to discredit other's opinions...you ain't gotta roll like that man...just state your opinion without attempting to belittle others and this place will start to feel less like a playground...man. Yes, you are right. Asian culture is not one. Finally, a statement I can agree with you in this thread. But, come back to me when you discover that in South Korea, North Korea, China, Japan, Thailand, India, Mongolia, Laos, etc. Janet Jackson is not that big of a deal as you think she is. Perhaps you will find statues and religions devoted to this breast-exposing goddess. Perhaps, you will find, as I think and know you will, most people could not give a shit about her or most of the Jacksons. Again, the Jacksons are not seen as an American embarrassment because most people could care less about them. Again, have a lovely night! | |
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Timmy84 said: sosgemini said: In some cultures she is...and in some, she isnt...big wooooo....but you were mking some outlandish statements simply to knock folks down and that sh*t really does get old... man, its like this forum has become a playground all of a sudden... That's what happens when Jackson fans collide, you get into a World War III breakdown.
I've decided to lay low. Any more crazy-ass shit comes out of people's mouths, I'm gonna fuck the threads up.
And whatever y'all do, don't divulge into a 10-page thread, I'm gonna be watching y'all...
[Edited 10/11/07 17:44pm] I'll be fucking it along with you
I'm still trying to wrap my mind about this latest revelation of Marlon's sexuality 
And while this is all goin on..... 
just as long as they ain't talkin' about my ass, this is gonna be good "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: Najee said: Does anyone have a current picture of Marlon Jackson?
Marlon with his mother and Jackie in 2005 at Michael's trial:  Marlon is the only Jackson brother who is till kinda cute. "POOR IS THE MAN WHO'S PLEASURES DEPEND ON THE PERMISSION OF ANOTHER" Madonna
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bboy87 said: Timmy84 said: That's what happens when Jackson fans collide, you get into a World War III breakdown.
I've decided to lay low. Any more crazy-ass shit comes out of people's mouths, I'm gonna fuck the threads up.
And whatever y'all do, don't divulge into a 10-page thread, I'm gonna be watching y'all...
[Edited 10/11/07 17:44pm] I'll be fucking it along with you
I'm still trying to wrap my mind about this latest revelation of Marlon's sexuality
And while this is all goin on.....
just as long as they ain't talkin' about my ass, this is gonna be good "POOR IS THE MAN WHO'S PLEASURES DEPEND ON THE PERMISSION OF ANOTHER" Madonna
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Cinnamon234 said: Rodya24 said: I never denied that Janet was successful here. I said in this thread that she has had success with her dance songs. In fact, in another thread, I said that she has done better chart-wise in Japan than her brother.
She might have been successful in the past, but to call her an icon on the level of Madonna or MJ like some Americans think she is is wrong. And to argue that because she is a Jackson or that because the Jacksons have been successful as recording artists, all of them are seen as an American embarrassment in Japan is wrong too. The world does not revolve around the US or the Jacksons. Hard to swallow for some (not you), I know. [Edited 10/11/07 17:22pm] Wait a minute? This thread was too long so I didn't read everything. What about Marlon's sexuality. How did Wendy Williams miss this one? Um, who actually thinks Janet is as big as Michael and Madonna? I've never heard anyone (except for a few crazy Janet fans) say that. The people who think that Janet is as big as MJ & Madonna are in the minority, most people know better than that. "POOR IS THE MAN WHO'S PLEASURES DEPEND ON THE PERMISSION OF ANOTHER" Madonna
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What about Marlon's sexuality? The thread was too long to read. How did Wendy Williams miss this one? "POOR IS THE MAN WHO'S PLEASURES DEPEND ON THE PERMISSION OF ANOTHER" Madonna
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MikeMatronik said: PatrickS77 said: Yeah, Britney Spears, Lindsey Lohan, Macauley Culkin, Gary Coleman, the girl who played his sister.... But of course... Michael is a repressed homosexual!  MJ has had homosexual actions???? 
Next people will accuse him of molesting white boys!!! Neither Gavin Arvizo or Jordan Chandler were white. If you're going to get fresh, at least get the ethnicity right! Gavin Arvizo was Latino and Jordan Chandler was black, chinese and Jewish. White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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totaldiva said: What about Marlon's sexuality? The thread was too long to read. How did Wendy Williams miss this one?
Apparently, he was attraced to one of the male orgers, EmbattledWarrior who had dinner with him some time ago. | |
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floetcist said: MikeMatronik said: MJ has had homosexual actions????
Next people will accuse him of molesting white boys!!! Neither Gavin Arvizo or Jordan Chandler were white. If you're going to get fresh, at least get the ethnicity right! OH SNAP!  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: Timmy84 said: That's what happens when Jackson fans collide, you get into a World War III breakdown.
I've decided to lay low. Any more crazy-ass shit comes out of people's mouths, I'm gonna fuck the threads up.
And whatever y'all do, don't divulge into a 10-page thread, I'm gonna be watching y'all...
[Edited 10/11/07 17:44pm] I'll be fucking it along with you
I'm still trying to wrap my mind about this latest revelation of Marlon's sexuality
And while this is all goin on.....
just as long as they ain't talkin' about my ass, this is gonna be good Shiiiiit, you know? | |
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bboy87 said: floetcist said: Neither Gavin Arvizo or Jordan Chandler were white. If you're going to get fresh, at least get the ethnicity right! OH SNAP! What the fuck was up with the birthday kid here? | |
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Rodya24 said: totaldiva said: What about Marlon's sexuality? The thread was too long to read. How did Wendy Williams miss this one?
Apparently, he was attraced to one of the male orgers, EmbattledWarrior who had dinner with him some time ago. Hell with dinner, we need some dirt call 866 get wendy"POOR IS THE MAN WHO'S PLEASURES DEPEND ON THE PERMISSION OF ANOTHER" Madonna
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totaldiva said: Rodya24 said: Apparently, he was attraced to one of the male orgers, EmbattledWarrior who had dinner with him some time ago. Hell with dinner, we need some dirt call 866 get wendyI also want to know what a Jackson brother is working with. "POOR IS THE MAN WHO'S PLEASURES DEPEND ON THE PERMISSION OF ANOTHER" Madonna
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Timmy84 said: bboy87 said: OH SNAP! What the fuck was up with the birthday kid here? Someone just announced that they had Sunny Delight! "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: Timmy84 said: What the fuck was up with the birthday kid here? Someone just announced that they had Sunny Delight! Nah, he was wilding out because he saw that they had Grape Drink in the fridge.
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sosgemini said: midnightmover said: sos. I like you. You're generally one of the more intelligent orgers, but you're in a minority of one if you don't realise that Janet is far less popular than Madonna internationally and always has been. Rodya is completely right and I think you'll find most people around here, be they American, European, or Asian already know that. If you've gone around for the last twenty years thinking Janet was a phenomenon all over the world then I'm sorry to tell you otherwise, but she's not. She's had success in most territories, but nowhere near the success she's had in America. The same was true of Mariah Carey until, perhaps, her last album. Here in the UK Janet's never had a number one and her greatest significance for most is her connection to Michael. She was a medium-level star for about twelve years, but never more. Now that's still quite an accomplishment, but take one look at the popularity of Whitney, Madge, or even Prince, and it's soon put into perspective. It's the same story in most countries outside the US. I'm surprised you don't already know this. Most do. most of the claims are subjective pop-culture statements...its best to state things as opinion versus fact. thats the only point i am trying to make...i am not arguing specifics because you can't really argue something that is subjective. and expecially when we are dealing with cultures that we arent familiar with...i am not going to make claim to knowing the pulse of the entire world...yet rodya24 does, hence me telling him to tone down the rhetoric...its only an opinion. This is not subjective. I saw Janet live in 1995. She played three nights at Wembley Arena. Well, Prince sold out nineteen nights at the same venue, so that gives you some idea of the gulf in popularity. Madge sold out Wembley Stadium three nights (which is about 5 or 6 times bigger than the arena). MJ sold out five nights at the stadium. Go and take a look at Janet's sales figures outside the US and compare them with Whitney, Bon Jovi, Guns & Roses, Tina Turner, etc., etc. Growing up it was always strange to me to realise just how intoxicated America seemed with her, because over here it wasn't the same. Hell, Bobby Brown in 1989 was way bigger here than Janet was at any point in her career. That's not a subjective statement. The figures will back me up on that. I'm a lazy bastard by nature so I'm not gonna go hunting for them, but if you want to, you can. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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