Vanilli said:

Marlon seems to me to be a "no bullshit" person. I like him.

midnightmover said:

I have never dismissed Michael being gay, bisexual or otherwise, unlike you I don't proclaim to be 100% sure what one's sexuality is, especially if I don't know the person personally. My stance has always been Michael could be anything, you can't be 100% sure. Whereas your stance is he is 100% gay because you have studied human psychology and therefore certain things like kissing girls would have been impossible for him to do! And that has always been my disagreement with you; it's what you believe he could and could not do as if to say you have lived with him 24/7 all his life, without letting him out of your sight.

As for Marlon it's all a bit of fun. He too could be straight, bisexual or a closet homosexual, we just don't know. At least the orger that discussed Marlon actually meant him personally...over dinner, and unlike you he is still not proclaiming Marlon to be "gay" or otherwise.
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whatsgoingon said:

You are blatantly misrepresenting me. I've never said I'm 100% sure Mike is gay. I've merely said that the weight of evidence, when considered objectively, leads one to conlude that is the most likely scenario. I also never said it's impossible for him to kiss a girl either. For instance I'm pretty sure he did an awful lot more than kiss Lisa Marie.

As for Marlon, you again show you're total lack of judgement. You say the orger had dinner with Marlon. What reason do you have to believe that? Give me one shred of evidence. In 38 years there has never been even the faintest suggestion that Marlon is gay. Now all of a sudden, some anonymous person, with no evidence to back it up, tells you he not only had dinner with Marlon, but Marlon also made a pass at him, and you actually swallow this. Sorry, but unless the orger in question can back this up, then I have to treat his story with extreme scepticism, but then I'm a logical person. I know how tiresome logic is to most of you guys. It spoils all the fun, doesn't it?

floetcist said:

Duh, I'm talking about the performance of those albums in the UK, so what does an MTV blacklist have to do with anything? Her last album made it to No. 2 in the US. In the UK it made No. 63. DJ went Top 5 in The States, but only made it to No. 32 in the UK. Therefore, like every Janet album, they both did much better in the US than outside the US. That's the point.
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midnightmover said:

Well, you might as well call Embattlewarrior a liar, the way you called Stephanie Mills a liar. And plus I did question the orger story and as I said I am not saying Marlon is gay either. I am just asking the question to the board if the Orger story is true, which he swears it is, then is Marlon on the downlow? A simple question, nothing more and nothing less.
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Has anyone heard Marlon's album Baby Tonight?

I've seen the vinyl seceral times for $2.99

whatsgoingon said:

you said "download"

bboy87 said:

That's what happens when you are getting tired.

Back on topic:

whatsgoingon said:

A very dishonest response. Here is what you said about emabattledwarrior... "At least the orger that discussed Marlon actually met him personally...over dinner" Those were your words. I'm asking you how do you know he met Marlon and had dinner with him? We have seen no evidence to support this unlikely claim. If emabattledwarrior wants to offer some proof, then I'll gladly listen, but until then I have to be sceptical. That's the only logical stance to take.
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bboy87 said:

Has Marlon ever NOT had a mustache?

midnightmover said:

pot calling the kettle black?....and damn, stop being such a debbie downer and taking this sh*t so f*cking serious...for the love of Jehovah!! Damn!!!

Rodya24 said:

You know, looking at this picture, I think Marlon, Jackie, and Tito are the Jackson brothers who have aged the best.

sosgemini said:

What on earth are you talking about? If you want to accuse me of something, then please do it. Do you have something against talking straight?

midnightmover said:

Well, if you go back to page 2 or 3 you would see I did question his story. But lets say he is telling the truth, he is still in a better position than you who goes around calling people, you don't know personally, liars just because they say one or two things contrary to your beliefs.

Timmy84 said:

I am not a fan of this picture. The hair in particular. I think I prefer to look at this hairstyle from a distance not so close up.

midnightmover said:

or even better:

whatsgoingon said:

I know you questioned his story at first, but you just said to me that he had dinner with Marlon as if it were a known fact, so he's obviously convinced you since then that there's some truth to his story. If not, then why are you saying it?

And once again you completely ignored the logical points I made (which you can't argue with) and resorted to generalised statements about me "calling-people-liars-because-they-say-one-or-two-things-contrary-to-my-beliefs". Total nonsense. What I'm doing is applying logic. You know that, but you are playing dumb and pretending not to. Embattledwarrior's story is unsubstantiated and so must be treated with scepticism. I don't know why that is so hard to understand.
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sosgemini said:

Pretty cowardly. You lose an argument so you resort to calling me a liar. Then I ask you what I've supposdly lied about and you simply respond with an insulting picture. Oh well, I'll be the bigger man, and walk away. That is, unless you decide to turn around and start talking straight. But then, that would mean being proved wrong again, wouldn't it? So I can understand why you'd want to avoid doing that.

midnightmover said:

oh no...i'm just at work and havent had to time to dig up your quotes about janet not having any cultural impact outside of the usa. i will dig it up over the weekend though.


and yeah, this forum would be a lot more enjoyable if you did take one or both them pills. later mate!!

sosgemini said:

Look forward to it. Good luck.

This is Marlon Jackson...
Really who the hell cares,
He's a lesser Jackson than Tito...
I saw the American Dream...
He couldn't even get the spins right!
why is their bickering over this?

EmbattledWarrior said:

Because people are talking about Janet.

Rodya24 said:

"fiftylem" is a slang for 'a lot'. Its kind of an American "ebonics" type of shit. lol

floetcist said:

I learned something today. Cool.

mancabdriver said:

Thank you.

Vanilli said:

99.9% of those books I would take with a grain of salt.

Isolar said:

After reading how he treated women/female fans during their J5 heyday, I have lost a chunk of respect for Jackie. Same goes for Jermaine. There no better than Joe. Michael spoke about this, and I was so surprised. Good for Marlon for being the only Jackson brotha who didn't cheat on his wife. The saddest story is after Dee Dee left Tito (he cheated) she was murdered by her boyfriend, I think sometime in 1994.
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floetcist said:[quote]

mancabdriver said:

Marlon and Michael had to see alot at such a young age. I remember reading how they would try to convince the fans not to sleep with their older brothers because they would get their hearts broken.

and Jermaine tried to rape Hazel after they divorced

bboy87 said:

Exactly why I can't stand Jermaine

I think this seems to be the most candid, non sensational book written about the family thats not just bullshit I-need-to-make-some-money type mess. This was written by Jermaine's ex-wife. But with that aside, its sometimes annoying how she writes. Still, a good read. I haven't read the whole thing yet, but from what I have its very...interesting, to say the least.

http://jetzis-mjvideo.com...jfv0b.html

floetcist said:

I need to read that book again, along with revised edition of Magic and The Madness

bboy87 said:

No, the "Magic and The Madness" is bullshit. Its basically fan fiction. You'd have to be MJ's shadow in order to know all the things he's written in there. Whats his vagina is so obsessed with the Jacksons, and Michael in particular.