gman1966 said:

well I'm gay too, so it's neither a race thing nor an attraction thing. but i appreciate sexiness when i see it. and all of those people you named are so completely fake to me. all very sexless. no depth to their sex appeal whatsoever.

AaronForever said:

Another thing there is nothing fake about those behinds my man.

AaronForever said:

I love you to death man. But you are gay!!! How can I debate this issue with you if you are gay!!!

gman1966 said:

because i have great taste in women

What is this bond with Gays and Madonna? I would like your perspective.

gman1966 said:

i think its a non-ethnic gay thing...

most the people i know, admire her to a degree...but, they wouldnt dare get into defending her to the extreme (like some do here)...



now..im gonna stay out of this debate before the gay mafia comes after me...

(Snip. Pornographic image removed. Ian).

Nope, nothing to see here.
[This message was edited Wed Oct 9 12:14:55 PDT 2002 by TRON]

TRON said:

Hey Tron,I'm curious to know,what picture did you post?

DavidEye said:

Piss-fountain

Moonbeam said:

Oh yes!! I think he once told me that was his favorite pic from the "Sex" book...lol...

How are you doing,Moonbeam? Are you gonna see Madonna's new video tomorrow?

Madonna is Wonderful are you kidding me? She's Smart and an Excellent Business woman. She has Maverick records and she also has her own production company. She is Successful in Everything she does. She does have talent. She has style also. She is always on top of things. She also is Opinionated. She is a Leader and she always tried things first like Prince did and she pushed peoples buttons like Prince did. Madonna is a Mother and still working making movies and dance tunes. She's also a wife . She does so much it's a wonder she is still looking as great as she does. Also she works out . Madonna is a Powerhouse of a Woman. I think she's Fantastic. Where Prince is my Male Hero well Madonna is my Female Hero.

Here we go again...


"That woman cannot sing,very average voice"

I disagree.If you don't think she can sing,you seriously need to listen to the 2-CD "Evita" movie soundtrack,the 'Ray Of Light' CD or her stunning collection of ballads 'Something To Remember'.

"She was kind of cute back in the 80s but she is average pretty"

I think Madonna is a gorgeous woman.Look at her in the "Vogue" video,she looks HOT!! More recently,check out the cover of her new "Die Another Day" single.WOW!!

"That sex book was a joke..."

So,you don't really like her,but you couldn't stop yourself from seeing that "Sex" book,huh?

"I will say she is not a bad actress"

You criticize her singing,her looks and body but yet you think she is a good actress?! What's wrong with this picture?

"weak live performer"

I saw Madonna twice last year on the "Drowned World" tour and it was one of the most stunning,most exciting,most electrifying performances I have ever witnessed in my lifetime.Madonna is anything but "weak" onstage.

"I just do not understand why she is such a sex symbol"

Hmmm,maybe because people actually find her "sexy"?

DavidEye said:

The only reason why you guys think Madonna is hot and is talked about like this because most of you guys are white!!! If this was a predominantly black forum Madonna would not be mentioned, she cannot sing, she cannot dance, etc period... She does not appeal to the Black market!!!
period.

Madonna has rarely I mean rarely been played on black radio of all the black clubs I have been to in this country she has never been played. I saw that tour on HBO take away all those props and stunts and over rehearsed dance movements that shit is weak.

There is no question about her popularity but she is overrated.

That bullshit list on VH1 where she was rated the top sex symbol of all time I am telling that would not be so on a people of color list.

gman1966 said:

Uh...I hate to be the one to break this to you but I AM BLACK! Yes,DavidEye is one Black dude who ADORES Madonna.Why do you insist on turning this into a racial issue,anyway? Madonna has MANY Black fans! Her entire first album was played on Black radio BEFORE it crossed over to the pop stations.As Tron correctly pointed out,PEOPLE THOUGHT MADONNA WAS BLACK when she first came out with songs like "Everybody" and "Holiday".In fact,from the years 1983-1994,Madonna was frequently played on Black stations and embraced by Black music listeners.How dare you try to turn this into an ugly racial argument! If you don't like Madonna,that's fine,but let's keep race out of it,okay?

DavidEye said:

Oh there always be a few but that is definitely a minorty as far as Madonna having many black fans!!! I do not where you are coming when any black person mistaken that whiny voice as being black. Give me a break!!!

gman1966 said:

All I know is,when I first heard "Holiday" in 1983,I assumed it was a new Black singer on the scene.Many other people did too.And even after everyone saw that she was White,she STILL got regular airplay on R&B stations.Nowadays,she's more into techno/pop so naturally,those stations no longer play her music (although the song "Music" was funky as hell...lol).

DavidEye said:

With that voice you assumed Madonna was a black singer. are you serious!!! Very interesting but yes you are right I do remember Holiday receiving SOME airplay with "Holiday". It must be different (but I doubt it)in your area I am pretty involved in club promotions here in Houston and I never seen Madonna embraced in this area.

gman1966 said:

If I'm not mistaken,I think when Maddy's first single "Everybody" came out in late 1982,Warner Bros. purposely did not put a picture of her on the single.They wanted Black stations to embrace her without trippin' on the fact that she was White.In my area,out main R&B station (KSOL) fully embraced her,here's a list of some of the many songs by her that they played throughout the years...

"Everybody"
"Holiday"
"Lucky Star"
"Borderline"
"Into The Groove"
"Like A Virgin"
"Material Girl"
"Angel"
"Dress You Up"
"Crazy For You"
"Papa Don't Preach"
"Spotlight"
"Like A Prayer"
"Express Yourself"
"Keep It Together"
"Vogue"
"This Used To Be My Playground"
"Justify My Love"
"Erotica"
"Secret"
"Take A Bow"


As you can see,not all of those songs can even be considered "R&B" at all,and yet they still supported her.

DavidEye said:

Sorry DavidEye I find that hard to believe!!!

when she started out, many critics and fans thought that she was a black artist because her voice was so good.

I would like to say to everyone that I am not trying to make this racial I started this thread because of all of the Madonna threads that has been created lately.

The simple fact is the MAJORITY of Black people just do not regard Madonna highly like a lot of you people. I like some of her songs "Get Into The Groove" but other than that she is overrated I belong to other boards that are geared toward African-Americans and we do not discuss artists like Madonna she simply does not have that type of appeal in our circle.

With all of these recent threads about Madonna I think she is completely overated!!! I am the type that even though I may not like your art I will acknowledge talent. Now concerning Madonna I just do not understand.

1. That woman cannot sing, very average voice.

2. She was kind of cute in back in the 80's but she is
average pretty.

3. That sex book was a joke. She has no body whatsoever!!!
no ass, no figure ok chest.

4. I will say she is not a bad actress

5. No rythym or dancing skills unless she is doing practiced dance movements. (ie compare her to Miss Janet - no comparison)

6. Completely dependent on a controlled environment, video shoots or elaborate stage production, meaning Madonna is not strong when it comes to giving open performances like the Purple Man.

8. Weak live performer, remember her debut "Like A Virgin"
when she was rolling all over the floor or "The Vogue"
performance with all that weak ass choreagraphy, she
raised her dress big deal!!!

7. I just do not understand why she is such a sex symbol
now if she looked like Ashley Judd or Sharon Stone or
Marilyn Monroe I would understand but she is does not.

Ah well, my lovely picture is gone. If you want to see where it came from check here-

http://hot.ee/madonnanude.../index.htm

TRON said:

She looks incredibly pale and awkward in those pictures.

I could bust in2 a female heroin addict's apartment and I'd get better looking pictures than these.