mancabdriver said:

Oh, I know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm talking about her popularity in the UK and Europe and the simple truth is she was nowhere near the top echelon over here, even at her very peak. She had a certain prestige because people knew she was big in America, rich, and of course Michael's sister, so in that sense she wasn't a B lister but in terms of her actual popularity she was always on the second tier. Sure, she had hits and maintained a consistent level for about 10 years but she was always far behind a dozen other different artists in terms of popularity. The same could be said of Mariah Carey up until TEOM.

Why do you all assume the article meant the new album will sell as much as Thriller? The close Jackson associate said it will be as big as Thriller. Which probably means it will be the talk of the industry, it will break new ground and it will recieve many, many awards just like Thriller did. It can still sell 10 million and be as big as Thriller. In ways Bad was as big as Thriller. It didn't sell as much but the hype, the publicity, the radio play and all that was as big as Thriller.

Also, just so you guys don't have to worry any more that Michael is too fixated on outselling Thriller, will.i.am recently said in an interview that alot of the time him and MJ were just talking about what direction Michael wanted to take this new album. He said Michael doesn't want to compete with himself because will told him straight up that no one has any change of outselling Thriller. Not Kanye West, not Justin Timberlake, and not even Michael Jackson. So Michael's not fused with that anymore and in his own words, he is not competing with himself.

I'm sorry..I just don't want to see MJ wearing some crazy ass costumes, spinning his weird ass around.


I don't wanna see the black wig and the red lipstick.

I don't wanna hear MJ collaborate with 50 cent.


Why can't he just put out some music that he's feeling? Why does it have to be some major "comeback"?

Ugh...I'd rather go see Van Hunt.

lookin' for Calhoun

DarlingDiana said:

I'm not the dumbass who misread the article.

Rhondab said:

The smartest thing for MJ to do right now is an MTV Unplugged CD.Remind people of why they became fans in the first place! Strip the music down and get up there and SING.No games,no gimmicks,no rappers.Could you imagine him doing acoustic versions of songs like "I Can't Help It","Human Nature" and "Maybe Tomorrow"? A project like this could breathe new life in his career.

SoulAlive said:

You know his dumb ass can't do anything simple. He gotta have statues & explosions & screaming & shit Does he know how to just be a singer anymore? In fact, when's the last time he sang live anyway?

note to the fanatics - don't bother posting UTube links, I don't care enough to watch them

midnightmover said:

First of all I'm not your "bro".
And all the artists you just name are NO WHERE near as popular as white artists...

Never...

who seriously cares about the UK... they rely on the us.. for military protection... and they have no kind of power....

no offense to anyone in the UK>. one of my best friends live there... but seriously the UK doesn't have any kind of millitary power.... with the US>.. they would have been destroyed or under the control of another country

if janet's not popular there.. then that fine with me.. and many of her US fans

midnightmover said:

well good atleast you and I know.. that you fear me and my hamster friends

I will call up all my rodent friends and we will attack

midnightmover said:

i was just being silly.... basically i was saying the UK doesn't determine who is significant.. and who isn't... and if someone is not popular over in the UK.. oh well... that country is small.. and doesn't have the most influence anyways....

TotalAlisa said:

We weren't just talking about the UK. We're talking about the whole of Europe and most countries in the world. Look at the sales figures for MJ's Number Ones album. It sold millions around the world (1.5 million in the UK alone) and less than 10% of those sales were in the US. Why am I even responding to you? You're a fool.

ElectricBlue said:

60 million copies?


Thriller has sold over 100 million copies.
Invincible sold 11.2 million copies.

You have no clue.

DarlingDiana said:

Yet again the The Lies from Michael Jackson Fans.

Here is from a Michael Jackson Website.

http://www.mjinf.co.uk/

Current Best Estimate World Sales
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Off the Wall - 20 million (includes new special edition sales)
Thriller - 60 million (includes new special edition sales)
Bad - 29 million (includes new special edition sales)
Dangerous - 29 million (includes new special edition sales)
History - 18 million units
Blood on the Dance Floor - 6 million
Invincible - 8 million
Number Ones - 6.5 million
The Ultimate Collection - 250,000
Essential Michael Jackson - 2 million

Total - 178,750,000

DarlingDiana said:

Yet again the The Lies from Michael Jackson Fans.

Here is from a Michael Jackson Website.

http://www.mjinf.co.uk/

Current Best Estimate World Sales
-----
Off the Wall - 20 million (includes new special edition sales)
Thriller - 60 million (includes new special edition sales)
Bad - 29 million (includes new special edition sales)
Dangerous - 29 million (includes new special edition sales)
History - 18 million units
Blood on the Dance Floor - 6 million
Invincible - 8 million
Number Ones - 6.5 million
The Ultimate Collection - 250,000
Essential Michael Jackson - 2 million

Total - 178,750,000

ElectricBlue said:

Source: http://www.mtv.co.uk/chan...ackos_back
Earlier Jacko had collected his Diamond award - [b]for selling more than one hundred million albums of his 'Thriller' disc[b] - from Beyonce.

I can't find a source for the 11.2 million figure but I distinctly remember a statement from Sony around mid 2002 saying the album had sold 11.2 million copies.

Rhondab said:

The smartest thing for MJ to do right now is an MTV Unplugged CD.Remind people of why they became fans in the first place! Strip the music down and get up there and SING.No games,no gimmicks,no rappers.Could you imagine him doing acoustic versions of songs like "I Can't Help It","Human Nature" and "Maybe Tomorrow"? A project like this could breathe new life in his career.

SoulAlive said:

You know his dumb ass can't do anything simple. He gotta have statues & explosions & screaming & shit Does he know how to just be a singer anymore? In fact, when's the last time he sang live anyway?

note to the fanatics - don't bother posting UTube links, I don't care enough to watch them

krayzie said:

lol, excuse me, but I live here. I think I know better than you who's big here and who isn't. Trust me Beyonce, 50 Cent, Usher, these artists are huge over here and around the world (unfortunately). Beyonce's dad is very fond of pointing out how Destiny's Child made a lot more money in Europe than they did in the US. In the 80s Whitney, MJ, Tina Turner, Sade, and for shorter periods, TTD, Tracy Chapman, hell, even Five Star were all major stars over here so the idea that Janet wasn't that big because of her colour is quite frankly ridiculous. I'm sure you'd love to think that the world outside the US is just a lily-white land of crackers, but, uhhh, it's not.
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[Edited 9/18/07 5:58am]

midnightmover said:

Dude, do not bother to respond to her anymore. She will probably throw you a homophobic remark or threaten to destroy the country of your residence.

Rodya24 said:

why am I being attacked for not agree with lifestyles of homosexuals...

im not attacking you for being homosexaul..... who cares if i agree with lifestyles of people.... why do you care so much... get OVER it....

midnightmover said:

Completely wrong...

I repeat again, ALL the black artists you just name above are NO WHERE near as popular as white artists...

Only a handful of black artists have enjoyed a popularity as big as white artists.

And I never said Janet wasn't that big because of her colour.

midnightmover said:

Well the only sources I could find that tell you the breakdown for the album is wikipedia (which isn't always reliable as we all know) and an MJ site. I don't know how credible these sources are but i'll post the links anyway.

Wikipedia.


Being his first studio album in six years (after 1995's HIStory), expectations were high. The album debuted at #1 on the Billboard 200 album charts, selling 366,275 copies and beating out other strong debuts by Enrique Iglesias and the Backstreet Boys, artists who occupied the second and fourth positions, respectively. Although the album would debut at #1 in 13 countries it was seen by many as a disappointment. Invincible sold 5.4 million copies worldwide in two months and has sold an estimated amount of up to 8 million copies to date. The single "You Rock My World" peaked at #10 in its third week on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart, and "Butterflies" later peaked at #14 on the same chart, and at #2 for 5 weeks on the R&B/Hip-Hop singles chart. "Heaven Can Wait" also charted at the bottom of the R&B/Hip-Hop charts due to radio airplay without an official release.

Certifications

Country Certification Shipments
Australia 2x Platinum 140,000
Brazil Gold 70,000
France 2x Platinum 575,000[13]
Germany Platinum[14] 300,000
Switzerland Platinum[15] 40,000
Sweden Gold 30,000
UK Platinum 350,000
U.S. 2x Platinum 2,100,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...28album%29





Chart Information & Sales
Highest Chart Position: UK #1 USA #1

Current Sales Award: UK Platinum USA 2 times Platinum

Current Sales Figure: 350,000 2.1 million

Latest Official World Sales Figure: 5.4 million (to end of 2001).

Current Best Estimate World Sales: 8 million.



UK (top 100) & USA (top 200) chart run:

UK: #1,5,18,32,39,44,49,52,65,95,out for 9 months,84,96,out for 7 months,63,65,70,96,out

USA: #1,3,4,11,17,25,28,26,25,27,24,25,27,27,35,40,46,53,71,89,104,126,123,130,124,174,174,198,out

USA R&B chart (top 100): #86,1,1,1,1,3,5,5,5,8,7,5,6,6,10,13,13,14,24,34,40,44,50,49,54,69,55,61,67,71,69,87,80,81,out 1 wk,100,out



Other Countries sales figures:

Australia: 70,000+
Brazil: 70,000+
France: 600,000+
Japan: 200,000+


The Story behind the Success

Invincible debuted at number one in the majority of record markets around the world including Australia, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Holland, Hong Kong, Hungary, Italy, Lithuania, Norway, Sweden, Turkey and of course the UK & USA. Current sales are around 8 million which is a once in a lifetime achievement by most artists standards but a huge disappointment by MJ's previous record-breaking sales. The reason for this relative failure is as follows.

Up to the end of 2001 sales were at 5.4 million, (11th best seller worldwide) which was very good for 2 months of sales, but behind HIStory & Dangerous which had sold more in the same time period. The album was outselling HIStory in the USA & French markets however up until the early part of 2002. The album was absolutely huge in France where after release it was #1 for 3 weeks and top 10 for 2 months thereafter with sales to date of over 750,000 copies. The album was also doing very well in the USA, much to many peoples surprise, where it sold a million copies in just over a month but it dropped out of the top 200 mid 2002 due to no promotion/singles with sales at 2.1 million. It was also at the top of the R&B album chart for 4 weeks and remained in the top 10 for 14 weeks.

This showed that the album got off to a reasonable start but the album fell out of most international charts in early 2002 simply due to no promotion on Sony's part and the lack of an active singles. It was hoped the Cry single would help the album back up the chart in Christmas 2001 but due to it's chart failure it had little impact. The second single in the USA, Butterflies, had a much better effect in prolonging strong album sales, due to superb airplay, but the lack of a commercial release (and therefore #1 spot) inhibited its positive effect.

The album promotion/singles campaign halted in early 2002 due to Michael's problem's with Sony and his possible future departure from the label. The expected main commercial singles, Unbreakable & Whatever Happens, were crucial to the albums long-term success - but their releases were cancelled. Also in the USA all planned radio release singles after Butterflies were also cancelled. Due to this the album sales slowed to a trickle and it left most charts. It did however enjoy a brief re-entry in some world charts (inc an extra month in the UK) after the Bashir interview in early 2003 but the sales impact on Michael's other more well know albums was much greater.

The album had enormous potential for huge hit singles (and therefore sales) but Sony did everything possible so this did not happen. All Michael previous album have had strong or steady sales over a 2 year period due to multiple successful single releases and world tours. Tragically this has not happened with Invincible despite it containing some of the strongest tracks of his career.

Sony has now moved on and the only Invincible track's getting attention are You Rock My World and Break of Dawn which feature on the new 'Number Ones' compilation which in just 6 weeks sold triple the UK total sales of Invincible although in most other counties (especially the USA) Invincible's sales are still well ahead of Number Ones.





http://mjinf.co.uk/Invinc...ncible.htm
[Edited 9/17/07 15:36pm]

Rodya24 said:

first of all mister... Im not Homophobia.... i love and respect everyone.. and would NEVER want anyone harming them or anyone.... just cause i don't agree with their lifestyle doesn't mean that I don't love or respect them....

second.... Why do you guys take what i say so seriously...

Rodya24 said:

why am I being attacked for not agree with lifestyles of homosexuals...

im not attacking you for being homosexaul..... who cares if i agree with lifestyles of people.... why do you care so much... get OVER it....

Cinnamon234 said:

See, that's a pretty sharp drop in the US too which confirms what I was saying. The sales figures from other countries you've got there are also very low which again confirms my suspicion. Where these ten, or even 8 million sales are supposedly coming from is still a mystery to me.

midnightmover said:

I am sure fanatics are exaggerating album sales. But I still find it surprising that it was able to exceed 5-6 million in sales based on one world-wide single and an awful music video.

krayzie said:

Oh really? Here are your words, "Madonna is only bigger outside the US.
This is much harder for black artists to sell records outside the US...
Beside MJ, I think the only black artist who has some big appeal worldwide is Tina Turner". Those are your words not mine. I've already explained why they're wrong. Jaw droppingly wrong.