New topic
Printable
|
midnightmover said: mancabdriver said: The person who said that Janet was B list celebrity, doesn't know what they are talking about Oh, I know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm talking about her popularity in the UK and Europe and the simple truth is she was nowhere near the top echelon over here, even at her very peak. She had a certain prestige because people knew she was big in America, rich, and of course Michael's sister, so in that sense she wasn't a B lister but in terms of her actual popularity she was always on the second tier. Sure, she had hits and maintained a consistent level for about 10 years but she was always far behind a dozen other different artists in terms of popularity. The same could be said of Mariah Carey up until TEOM. who seriously cares about the UK... they rely on the us.. for military protection... and they have no kind of power.... no offense to anyone in the UK>. one of my best friends live there... but seriously the UK doesn't have any kind of millitary power.... with the US>.. they would have been destroyed or under the control of another country if janet's not popular there.. then that fine with me.. and many of her US fans [Edited 9/17/07 14:38pm] |
- E-mail - orgNote -  Report post to moderator |
Oh for christ's sake.... this is exactly the WRONG tack he needs to be taking with his career. Nothing's ever going to be as big as thriller and the main problem with his music is that he keeps trying, over and over, to try to make it so. God. All hope that he'd just put out a good album without the usual hype has just deserted me. I'm no longer interested in hearing this predictable piece of crap now. "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TotalAlisa said: midnightmover said: You shouldn't be so quick to concede. You were right. Janet has never been as big in the UK and Europe as she was in America. Take those figures with a pinch of salt. Like Mariah Carey she's had hits here and is fairly well known, but she was strictly B List even at her peak. Madonna and Whitney on the other hand were fully fledged superstars over here. Nowadays of course she's completely forgotten. I haven't heard another human being say the words "Janet Jackson" now in years. Last time I saw her on a chat show a few years ago, all the interviewer was asking her about was Michael, Michael, Michael. He didn't even pretend to be interested in her. It's still a surprise for me to see how preoccupied people on this website are with her. I haven't met anyone in years who even thinks about her. just because your not a fan.. doesn't mean no one else doesnt like her.... Have you been to JanetJackson forum, janet-friends.com, janet-xone forums... those are very huge janet jackson fan forums... she actually has some really crazy fans over there.... those people will rip you to threads if you say one negative thing about janet... Ahh well, if there are lots of Janet fans on the Janet forums then that just completely proves me wrong, doesn't it? I'm sure they're all British too. I don't know what hole I've been living in to not be bumping into them on a regular basis. Shit, I'm just gonna walk out my door right now and hopefully I'll be able to make it down the street without being deafened by the chants of Janet worshippers. Oh, wait a minute. I think I hear them now. Yes, they're chanting "The other nipple, Janet. The other nipple!" Damn, this girl's popular. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
- Thomas Jefferson | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Lol Michael HIMSELF was never quoted as saying anything about the new album in the article. Actually he wasn't quoted as saying anything period. It's all SPECULATION right now so I really don't know what all the overdramatics are about. [Edited 9/17/07 14:43pm] "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
"Baby, that was much too fast"...Goodnight dear sweet Prince. I'll love you always | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
|
midnightmover said: TotalAlisa said: just because your not a fan.. doesn't mean no one else doesnt like her.... Have you been to JanetJackson forum, janet-friends.com, janet-xone forums... those are very huge janet jackson fan forums... she actually has some really crazy fans over there.... those people will rip you to threads if you say one negative thing about janet... Ahh well, if there are lots of Janet fans on the Janet forums then that just completely proves me wrong, doesn't it? I'm sure they're all British too. I don't know what hole I've been living in to not be bumping into them on a regular basis. Shit, I'm just gonna walk out my door right now and hopefully I'll be able to make it down the street without being deafened by the chants of Janet worshippers. Oh, wait a minute. I think I hear them now. Yes, they're chanting "The other nipple, Janet. The other nipple!" Damn, this girl's popular. what i said doesn't prove your wrong... YOU were wrong from the first time you posted something..... and YES go to those forums.. and you will see what im talking about.... I don't hear anyone saying they are a mariah or madonna fan.. but yet you think they are important... and those two still have fans... its the same with JJ she is more popular then you.. and has 100 million.. so who really cares about popularity... you better be glad im not there.... 
anyways... life doesn't evolve around you or your rock and roll friends.... there are lots of people who like janet.... even after the SB.... just get over it... [Edited 9/17/07 14:47pm] |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TotalAlisa said: midnightmover said: Oh, I know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm talking about her popularity in the UK and Europe and the simple truth is she was nowhere near the top echelon over here, even at her very peak. She had a certain prestige because people knew she was big in America, rich, and of course Michael's sister, so in that sense she wasn't a B lister but in terms of her actual popularity she was always on the second tier. Sure, she had hits and maintained a consistent level for about 10 years but she was always far behind a dozen other different artists in terms of popularity. The same could be said of Mariah Carey up until TEOM. who seriously cares about the UK... they rely on the us.. for military protection... and they have no kind of power.... no offense to anyone in the UK>. one of my best friends live there... but seriously the UK doesn't have any kind of millitary power.... with the US>.. they would have been destroyed or under the control of another country if janet's not popular there.. then that fine with me.. and many of her US fans [Edited 9/17/07 14:38pm]  You are starting to seriously worry me. On the other thread you said you wanted to get into government so you could outlaw homosexuals. Now you're dismissing an entire country because you don't think they have enough killing machines. The worrying thing is that people like you are actually allowed to vote.“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
- Thomas Jefferson | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TotalAlisa said: midnightmover said: Ahh well, if there are lots of Janet fans on the Janet forums then that just completely proves me wrong, doesn't it? I'm sure they're all British too. I don't know what hole I've been living in to not be bumping into them on a regular basis. Shit, I'm just gonna walk out my door right now and hopefully I'll be able to make it down the street without being deafened by the chants of Janet worshippers. Oh, wait a minute. I think I hear them now. Yes, they're chanting "The other nipple, Janet. The other nipple!" Damn, this girl's popular. who cares.. she is more popular then you.. and has 100 million.. so who really cares about popularity... you better be glad im not there....
anyways... life doesn't evolve around you or your rock and roll friends.... there are lots of people who like janet.... even after the SB.... just get over it... you need to cut back on the birthday cake. that little body of yours isn't made to take all that sugar "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TotalAlisa said: midnightmover said: Ahh well, if there are lots of Janet fans on the Janet forums then that just completely proves me wrong, doesn't it? I'm sure they're all British too. I don't know what hole I've been living in to not be bumping into them on a regular basis. Shit, I'm just gonna walk out my door right now and hopefully I'll be able to make it down the street without being deafened by the chants of Janet worshippers. Oh, wait a minute. I think I hear them now. Yes, they're chanting "The other nipple, Janet. The other nipple!" Damn, this girl's popular. who cares.. she is more popular then you.. and has 100 million.. so who really cares about popularity... you better be glad im not there....
anyways... life doesn't evolve around you or your rock and roll friends.... there are lots of people who like janet.... even after the SB.... just get over it... Oh, believe me I'm very glad you're not here. And for the record, the only reason we're discussing her popularity in the UK and Europe is because false claims were being made about her popularity here. If you don't think it matters then maybe you should tell that to the people making the false claims. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
- Thomas Jefferson | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
krayzie said: superspaceboy said: Not sure what you are getting at with all of that, but someone needs to CHILL. I never mentioned sales or anything of the sort. Nor did I mention who's music is better. It's all relative. But really the fact is Madonna and Janet, both who have huge fan bases, are in completely different leagues. The way in which they manage their lives and career are totally different. I hate to break it to you, but Madonna will always be bigger than Janet. It has nothing to do with Sales or Marketing or beng a better "artist", though those do come into play. It's how they are viewed by the world. Madonna is REVERED much in the same way Michael Jackson is (or used to be)...or Elvis. It's just how it is. The fact that there are stores worldwide that dedicate themselves to Madonna's music doesn't PROVE anything, but it is telling on how big and dedicated her fan base is. I think we can't compare Janet and Madonna in the first place. Madonna is white, Janet is black... Madonna will always appeal to a wider audience because she's white... And to be honest Janet has dominated Madonna in US since Rythm Nation until the titty scandal... Madonna is only bigger outside the US. This is much harder for black artists to sell records outside the US... Beside MJ, I think the only black artist who has some big appeal worldwide is Tina Turner... [Edited 9/17/07 14:17pm] Wooaaah, slow down a second, bro. I think you'll find there are tons of black artists selling massively outside the US. Hell, most of the biggest R&B stars like Beyonce and Usher are huge all over the world. 50 Cent is huge all over the world. In the 80s you had Whitney, Prince, TTD, Boby Brown, Tracy Chapman and a dozen others all selling millions. Janet's failure to match her US level in other countries has NOTHING to do with her colour. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
- Thomas Jefferson | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Cinnamon234 said: midnightmover said: You missed the point of my post. People keep saying Invincible sold 10 million worldwide. You just said it sold 8 million. I'm asking where these sales came from since in my part of the world(UK) that album debuted at No.1, but left the Top 40 within 4-5 weeks. Oh did they? Well I certainly never claimed it sold 10 million but yes I've read in several places that it sold 8 million. Michael is an artist who is known all over the world so I don't understand why you think it's impossible that Invincible sold 8 million. The UK isn't the only music market in the world you know and it isn't even the biggest. Oh, I know, but from what I hear the same thing happened in the US and many other countries so I'm just wondering where these sales came from, although 8 million sounds a lot more credible than 10 million. Still, I'd be interested to see how that breaks down around the world. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
- Thomas Jefferson | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TotalAlisa said: DawnD said: Wait aminute! I'm a Janet fan, but I don't think she's really big outside the US. I'm realistic. But, at the same time she is known outside the US. But, again her primary fanbase is inside the US. And, so what if she isn't well known outside the US? That doesn't make her less of an artist and it doesn't make artists' that are well known outside of the US more of one either. janet is very big in Japan... there are other places in the world other then Europe.... there's asia and africa EVERYONE is big in Japan. Even Me!  Christian Zombie Vampires | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
mancabdriver said: The Madonna vs Janet - thing is pretty relevent, espeically in America. It's a bit like Prince vs Jacko, he has only sold a fraction of what Michael has sold but is still considered his major rival.
The person who said that Janet was B list celebrity, doesn't know what they are talking about When Janet. came out the album went #1 in over 20 countries inlcuding the UK, USA and Australia and the WORLD tour sold out in every city it went too. She is still considered an A list to this day in every country she visits. The people in the UK who "grace" the covers of the newspapers, magazines and who are the most talked about celebrities in the UK like Hilton and Lohan have never had major hit films or singles. Apart from that whole superbowl thing Janet has been a very shy person who tries to stay out the public eye... if Michael was Mariah Carey's or Beyonce's brother they would also be asked about him all the time, thats just how it is when your borther was the biggest pop star in the world Janet is A list and always will be. However, there is no longer Madonna vs Janet...if there ever was. People (mostly here) point to the Prince vs MJ all the time. It's no longer true nor is it relevant. It actually was relevant for a brief period in the 80's. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
superspaceboy said: mancabdriver said: The Madonna vs Janet - thing is pretty relevent, espeically in America. It's a bit like Prince vs Jacko, he has only sold a fraction of what Michael has sold but is still considered his major rival.
The person who said that Janet was B list celebrity, doesn't know what they are talking about When Janet. came out the album went #1 in over 20 countries inlcuding the UK, USA and Australia and the WORLD tour sold out in every city it went too. She is still considered an A list to this day in every country she visits. The people in the UK who "grace" the covers of the newspapers, magazines and who are the most talked about celebrities in the UK like Hilton and Lohan have never had major hit films or singles. Apart from that whole superbowl thing Janet has been a very shy person who tries to stay out the public eye... if Michael was Mariah Carey's or Beyonce's brother they would also be asked about him all the time, thats just how it is when your borther was the biggest pop star in the world Janet is A list and always will be. However, there is no longer Madonna vs Janet...if there ever was. People (mostly here) point to the Prince vs MJ all the time. It's no longer true nor is it relevant. It actually was relevant for a brief period in the 80's. I love Janet's songs/previous efforts, ROLL WITCHU and DAYS GO BY. Too bad, some are missing out on such beautiful music. I truly believe that an artist should let their art speak for itself as oppose to mastering the media and being popular in this place and that place. I love the OFF THE WALL album by MJ. It gained and he gained popularity through his music and didn't rely heavily upon marketing. Sure that was apart of it, but it was the music itself that lead the way. I think it's quite sad that Janet is thought of by many as only MJ's sister. It's rather insulting in a way. But, the great thing is she does have her own identity and can truly hold her own as an artist and performer. I so look forward to what they both have to offer. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
midnightmover said: Oh, I know, but from what I hear the same thing happened in the US and many other countries so I'm just wondering where these sales came from, although 8 million sounds a lot more credible than 10 million. Still, I'd be interested to see how that breaks down around the world. Well the only sources I could find that tell you the breakdown for the album is wikipedia (which isn't always reliable as we all know) and an MJ site. I don't know how credible these sources are but i'll post the links anyway. Wikipedia. Being his first studio album in six years (after 1995's HIStory), expectations were high. The album debuted at #1 on the Billboard 200 album charts, selling 366,275 copies and beating out other strong debuts by Enrique Iglesias and the Backstreet Boys, artists who occupied the second and fourth positions, respectively. Although the album would debut at #1 in 13 countries it was seen by many as a disappointment. Invincible sold 5.4 million copies worldwide in two months and has sold an estimated amount of up to 8 million copies to date. The single "You Rock My World" peaked at #10 in its third week on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart, and "Butterflies" later peaked at #14 on the same chart, and at #2 for 5 weeks on the R&B/Hip-Hop singles chart. "Heaven Can Wait" also charted at the bottom of the R&B/Hip-Hop charts due to radio airplay without an official release. Certifications Country Certification Shipments Australia 2x Platinum 140,000 Brazil Gold 70,000 France 2x Platinum 575,000[13] Germany Platinum[14] 300,000 Switzerland Platinum[15] 40,000 Sweden Gold 30,000 UK Platinum 350,000 U.S. 2x Platinum 2,100,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/w...28album%29 Chart Information & Sales Highest Chart Position: UK #1 USA #1 Current Sales Award: UK Platinum USA 2 times Platinum Current Sales Figure: 350,000 2.1 million Latest Official World Sales Figure: 5.4 million (to end of 2001). Current Best Estimate World Sales: 8 million. UK (top 100) & USA (top 200) chart run: UK: #1,5,18,32,39,44,49,52,65,95,out for 9 months,84,96,out for 7 months,63,65,70,96,out USA: #1,3,4,11,17,25,28,26,25,27,24,25,27,27,35,40,46,53,71,89,104,126,123,130,124,174,174,198,out USA R&B chart (top 100): #86,1,1,1,1,3,5,5,5,8,7,5,6,6,10,13,13,14,24,34,40,44,50,49,54,69,55,61,67,71,69,87,80,81,out 1 wk,100,out Other Countries sales figures: Australia: 70,000+ Brazil: 70,000+ France: 600,000+ Japan: 200,000+ The Story behind the Success Invincible debuted at number one in the majority of record markets around the world including Australia, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Holland, Hong Kong, Hungary, Italy, Lithuania, Norway, Sweden, Turkey and of course the UK & USA. Current sales are around 8 million which is a once in a lifetime achievement by most artists standards but a huge disappointment by MJ's previous record-breaking sales. The reason for this relative failure is as follows. Up to the end of 2001 sales were at 5.4 million, (11th best seller worldwide) which was very good for 2 months of sales, but behind HIStory & Dangerous which had sold more in the same time period. The album was outselling HIStory in the USA & French markets however up until the early part of 2002. The album was absolutely huge in France where after release it was #1 for 3 weeks and top 10 for 2 months thereafter with sales to date of over 750,000 copies. The album was also doing very well in the USA, much to many peoples surprise, where it sold a million copies in just over a month but it dropped out of the top 200 mid 2002 due to no promotion/singles with sales at 2.1 million. It was also at the top of the R&B album chart for 4 weeks and remained in the top 10 for 14 weeks. This showed that the album got off to a reasonable start but the album fell out of most international charts in early 2002 simply due to no promotion on Sony's part and the lack of an active singles. It was hoped the Cry single would help the album back up the chart in Christmas 2001 but due to it's chart failure it had little impact. The second single in the USA, Butterflies, had a much better effect in prolonging strong album sales, due to superb airplay, but the lack of a commercial release (and therefore #1 spot) inhibited its positive effect. The album promotion/singles campaign halted in early 2002 due to Michael's problem's with Sony and his possible future departure from the label. The expected main commercial singles, Unbreakable & Whatever Happens, were crucial to the albums long-term success - but their releases were cancelled. Also in the USA all planned radio release singles after Butterflies were also cancelled. Due to this the album sales slowed to a trickle and it left most charts. It did however enjoy a brief re-entry in some world charts (inc an extra month in the UK) after the Bashir interview in early 2003 but the sales impact on Michael's other more well know albums was much greater. The album had enormous potential for huge hit singles (and therefore sales) but Sony did everything possible so this did not happen. All Michael previous album have had strong or steady sales over a 2 year period due to multiple successful single releases and world tours. Tragically this has not happened with Invincible despite it containing some of the strongest tracks of his career. Sony has now moved on and the only Invincible track's getting attention are You Rock My World and Break of Dawn which feature on the new 'Number Ones' compilation which in just 6 weeks sold triple the UK total sales of Invincible although in most other counties (especially the USA) Invincible's sales are still well ahead of Number Ones. http://mjinf.co.uk/Invinc...ncible.htm [Edited 9/17/07 15:36pm] "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ
"Baby, that was much too fast"...Goodnight dear sweet Prince. I'll love you always | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Cinnamon234 said: midnightmover said: Oh, I know, but from what I hear the same thing happened in the US and many other countries so I'm just wondering where these sales came from, although 8 million sounds a lot more credible than 10 million. Still, I'd be interested to see how that breaks down around the world. Well the only sources I could find that tell you the breakdown for the album is wikipedia (which isn't always reliable as we all know) and an MJ site. I don't know how credible these sources are but i'll post the links anyway. Wikipedia. Being his first studio album in six years (after 1995's HIStory), expectations were high. The album debuted at #1 on the Billboard 200 album charts, selling 366,275 copies and beating out other strong debuts by Enrique Iglesias and the Backstreet Boys, artists who occupied the second and fourth positions, respectively. Although the album would debut at #1 in 13 countries it was seen by many as a disappointment. Invincible sold 5.4 million copies worldwide in two months and has sold an estimated amount of up to 8 million copies to date. The single "You Rock My World" peaked at #10 in its third week on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart, and "Butterflies" later peaked at #14 on the same chart, and at #2 for 5 weeks on the R&B/Hip-Hop singles chart. "Heaven Can Wait" also charted at the bottom of the R&B/Hip-Hop charts due to radio airplay without an official release. Certifications Country Certification Shipments Australia 2x Platinum 140,000 Brazil Gold 70,000 France 2x Platinum 575,000[13] Germany Platinum[14] 300,000 Switzerland Platinum[15] 40,000 Sweden Gold 30,000 UK Platinum 350,000 U.S. 2x Platinum 2,100,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/w...28album%29 Chart Information & Sales Highest Chart Position: UK #1 USA #1 Current Sales Award: UK Platinum USA 2 times Platinum Current Sales Figure: 350,000 2.1 million Latest Official World Sales Figure: 5.4 million (to end of 2001). Current Best Estimate World Sales: 8 million. UK (top 100) & USA (top 200) chart run: UK: #1,5,18,32,39,44,49,52,65,95,out for 9 months,84,96,out for 7 months,63,65,70,96,out USA: #1,3,4,11,17,25,28,26,25,27,24,25,27,27,35,40,46,53,71,89,104,126,123,130,124,174,174,198,out USA R&B chart (top 100): #86,1,1,1,1,3,5,5,5,8,7,5,6,6,10,13,13,14,24,34,40,44,50,49,54,69,55,61,67,71,69,87,80,81,out 1 wk,100,out Other Countries sales figures: Australia: 70,000+ Brazil: 70,000+ France: 600,000+ Japan: 200,000+ The Story behind the Success Invincible debuted at number one in the majority of record markets around the world including Australia, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Holland, Hong Kong, Hungary, Italy, Lithuania, Norway, Sweden, Turkey and of course the UK & USA. Current sales are around 8 million which is a once in a lifetime achievement by most artists standards but a huge disappointment by MJ's previous record-breaking sales. The reason for this relative failure is as follows. Up to the end of 2001 sales were at 5.4 million, (11th best seller worldwide) which was very good for 2 months of sales, but behind HIStory & Dangerous which had sold more in the same time period. The album was outselling HIStory in the USA & French markets however up until the early part of 2002. The album was absolutely huge in France where after release it was #1 for 3 weeks and top 10 for 2 months thereafter with sales to date of over 750,000 copies. The album was also doing very well in the USA, much to many peoples surprise, where it sold a million copies in just over a month but it dropped out of the top 200 mid 2002 due to no promotion/singles with sales at 2.1 million. It was also at the top of the R&B album chart for 4 weeks and remained in the top 10 for 14 weeks. This showed that the album got off to a reasonable start but the album fell out of most international charts in early 2002 simply due to no promotion on Sony's part and the lack of an active singles. It was hoped the Cry single would help the album back up the chart in Christmas 2001 but due to it's chart failure it had little impact. The second single in the USA, Butterflies, had a much better effect in prolonging strong album sales, due to superb airplay, but the lack of a commercial release (and therefore #1 spot) inhibited its positive effect. The album promotion/singles campaign halted in early 2002 due to Michael's problem's with Sony and his possible future departure from the label. The expected main commercial singles, Unbreakable & Whatever Happens, were crucial to the albums long-term success - but their releases were cancelled. Also in the USA all planned radio release singles after Butterflies were also cancelled. Due to this the album sales slowed to a trickle and it left most charts. It did however enjoy a brief re-entry in some world charts (inc an extra month in the UK) after the Bashir interview in early 2003 but the sales impact on Michael's other more well know albums was much greater. The album had enormous potential for huge hit singles (and therefore sales) but Sony did everything possible so this did not happen. All Michael previous album have had strong or steady sales over a 2 year period due to multiple successful single releases and world tours. Tragically this has not happened with Invincible despite it containing some of the strongest tracks of his career. Sony has now moved on and the only Invincible track's getting attention are You Rock My World and Break of Dawn which feature on the new 'Number Ones' compilation which in just 6 weeks sold triple the UK total sales of Invincible although in most other counties (especially the USA) Invincible's sales are still well ahead of Number Ones. http://mjinf.co.uk/Invinc...ncible.htm [Edited 9/17/07 15:36pm] It's important to note that RIAA certifications are not an accurate barometer of sales. That number is the amount that were printed and shipped to stores. It includes all copies sitting on the shelves and distribution warehouses. "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Rhondab said: 
I'm sorry..I just don't want to see MJ wearing some crazy ass costumes, spinning his weird ass around. I don't wanna see the black wig and the red lipstick. I don't wanna hear MJ collaborate with 50 cent. Why can't he just put out some music that he's feeling? Why does it have to be some major "comeback"? Ugh...I'd rather go see Van Hunt. lookin' for Calhoun DAMMIT Rhonda I'd rather go see Van FOR REAL   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
CalhounSq said: Rhondab said:
I'm sorry..I just don't want to see MJ wearing some crazy ass costumes, spinning his weird ass around. I don't wanna see the black wig and the red lipstick. I don't wanna hear MJ collaborate with 50 cent. Why can't he just put out some music that he's feeling? Why does it have to be some major "comeback"? Ugh...I'd rather go see Van Hunt. lookin' for Calhoun DAMMIT Rhonda I'd rather go see Van FOR REAL Van Hunt is so easy on the eyes. Talent and good looks is always nice. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
DawnD said: CalhounSq said: DAMMIT Rhonda I'd rather go see Van FOR REAL Van Hunt is so easy on the eyes. Talent and good looks is always nice. I actually think the boy looks like a turtle but musically I'm so THERE  He's really good live, I'd see him every time I got the chance I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Raze said: Oh for christ's sake.... this is exactly the WRONG tack he needs to be taking with his career. Nothing's ever going to be as big as thriller and the main problem with his music is that he keeps trying, over and over, to try to make it so. God. All hope that he'd just put out a good album without the usual hype has just deserted me. I'm no longer interested in hearing this predictable piece of crap now.
If it makes you feel better, Michael Jackson is not quoted in this article. In fact, the only time I have seen him discussing the new album was on Access Hollywood. IMO, he looked irritated when will.i.am told him his comeback should be "big." I think all of us should wait and listen to the album when (and if) it is released before making judgments on its commercial and musical merits. As for this debate on Janet and Madonna. Please. Janet has been primarily a US and Japan act. Even Celine Dion is bigger than her. Just shows one that record sales do not necessarily equate to good music. I will take Control and Rhythm Nation (hell, even janet., The Velvet Rope, AFY, Damita Jo, and 20 YO) over anything Celine has released. [Edited 9/17/07 15:54pm] | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Rodya24 said: Raze said: Oh for christ's sake.... this is exactly the WRONG tack he needs to be taking with his career. Nothing's ever going to be as big as thriller and the main problem with his music is that he keeps trying, over and over, to try to make it so. God. All hope that he'd just put out a good album without the usual hype has just deserted me. I'm no longer interested in hearing this predictable piece of crap now.
If it makes you feel better, Michael Jackson is not quoted in this article. In fact, the only time I have seen him discussing the new album was on Access Hollywood. IMO, he looked irritated when will.i.am told him his comeback should be "big." I think all of us should wait and listen to the album when (and if) it is released before making judgments on its commercial and musical merits. As for this debate on Janet and Madonna. Please. Janet has been primarily a US and Japan act. Even Celine Dion is bigger than her. That is not true! Celine Dion may be taller than Janet, but she's definitely not bigger than Janet!(joking!  ) But, so what? So what if she's not known all over the world. Again, does that make her less of an artist? It appears as though some believe the more popular an artist, the bigger and better they are as oppose to lesser known artists. I just don't get it is all. Does popularity make one artist music better than another? It's like an artist isn't shit unless they are big outside the US. What would really be sad is if an artist was born in the US and was unknown here and more popular outside the US. What difference does it make, really? I just don't understand and would like for someone to break it down to me is all. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
DawnD said: Rodya24 said: If it makes you feel better, Michael Jackson is not quoted in this article. In fact, the only time I have seen him discussing the new album was on Access Hollywood. IMO, he looked irritated when will.i.am told him his comeback should be "big." I think all of us should wait and listen to the album when (and if) it is released before making judgments on its commercial and musical merits. As for this debate on Janet and Madonna. Please. Janet has been primarily a US and Japan act. Even Celine Dion is bigger than her. That is not true! Celine Dion may be taller than Janet, but she's definitely not bigger than Janet!(joking! ) But, so what? So what if she's not known all over the world. Again, does that make her less of an artist? It appears as though some believe the more popular an artist, the bigger and better they are as oppose to lesser known artists. I just don't get it is all. Does popularity make one artist music better than another? It's like an artist isn't shit unless they are big outside the US. What would really be sad is if an artist was born in the US and was unknown here and more popular outside the US. What difference does it make, really? I just don't understand and would like for someone to break it down to me is all.Look at my edited comments on the merits of Celine Dion's "music." | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Rodya24 said: DawnD said: That is not true! Celine Dion may be taller than Janet, but she's definitely not bigger than Janet!(joking! ) But, so what? So what if she's not known all over the world. Again, does that make her less of an artist? It appears as though some believe the more popular an artist, the bigger and better they are as oppose to lesser known artists. I just don't get it is all. Does popularity make one artist music better than another? It's like an artist isn't shit unless they are big outside the US. What would really be sad is if an artist was born in the US and was unknown here and more popular outside the US. What difference does it make, really? I just don't understand and would like for someone to break it down to me is all.Look at my edited comments on the merits of Celine Dion's "music." Aww! I just notice that, sweetheart. And, you are right! But, I still want to know. I still want someone to answer my question. Please. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
DawnD said: Rodya24 said: Look at my edited comments on the merits of Celine Dion's "music." Aww! I just notice that, sweetheart. And, you are right! But, I still want to know. I still want someone to answer my question. Please. I agree. Popularity does not necessarily equate to being a better artist or even a good artist. There are a number of musicians who are more talented than both Janet Jackson and Madonna. But both have never been about being talented musicians. Both are and have been about image and fun dance songs. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TotalAlisa said: midnightmover said: Oh, I know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm talking about her popularity in the UK and Europe and the simple truth is she was nowhere near the top echelon over here, even at her very peak. She had a certain prestige because people knew she was big in America, rich, and of course Michael's sister, so in that sense she wasn't a B lister but in terms of her actual popularity she was always on the second tier. Sure, she had hits and maintained a consistent level for about 10 years but she was always far behind a dozen other different artists in terms of popularity. The same could be said of Mariah Carey up until TEOM. who seriously cares about the UK... they rely on the us.. for military protection... and they have no kind of power.... no offense to anyone in the UK>. one of my best friends live there... but seriously the UK doesn't have any kind of millitary power.... with the US>.. they would have been destroyed or under the control of another country if janet's not popular there.. then that fine with me.. and many of her US fans [Edited 9/17/07 14:38pm]  this discussion has now delved into the land of crazy.Christian Zombie Vampires | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TotalAlisa said: ehuffnsd said: i have to agree Kyile is Madonna's biggest competiton. honestly i DON"T know about this Kyile Minouge woman... i can't say i know any songs... and im not sure what she looks like... so as far as her celebrity status... she's NOT that big.... anytime she can't reach a broad audience...' madonna is too much hype.... people say all these great things about her.. but honestly the only music that i think was her best.. was from the 80's... her music definitly does NOT sound better's then janet... just comparing their last two albums... Madonnas was NICE... but not better then janets.... its just madonna gets more recognition by the media... and janet and many other black artists are ignored... just pick up a tabloid magazine.. or any celeb magazine.. and you will see what i mean.... SO there is NO way madonna is better then janet... So because YOU don't know her music means she's not that big? Kylie is the MADONNA everywhere BUT here. And just because you don't like Madonna's music doesn't mean she's bad. It simply means you don't like her music. Madonna gets more meadi attention because she goes after it. It also comes back around because she is also an ICON, so she gets asked to do things like H&M (I am merely speculating she got asked for that...she gets asked for lots of things). But trust me Madonna is in the media because she puts herself there for the most part. Janet seems to enjoy her privacy and hence doesn't put herself out there as much. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Cinnamon234 said: Rodya24 said: I agree. There was the world-wide single "You Rock My World." And the radio-release "Butterflies" in the US. In Europe there was "Cry." That was about it. I think Invincible sold around six to eight million around the world. Not bad for an album with such terrible single releases. What? I disagree big time lol. I love "You Rock My World" and "Butterflies", but yes Invincible did do well considering the fact that it only had one world wide single and one official video. I still can't believe that he only did one video for that album though. Michael and music videos go together like p&j, I mean that was just crazy to me. I really hope things are different with the new album (whenever it comes out). "You Rock My World" and "Butterflies" are two of my favorite Michael Jackson songs. But I still think that SONY should have released "Unbreakable," "Break Of Dawn," "Heaven Can Wait," and "Whatever Happens." | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
krayzie said: superspaceboy said: Not sure what you are getting at with all of that, but someone needs to CHILL. I never mentioned sales or anything of the sort. Nor did I mention who's music is better. It's all relative. But really the fact is Madonna and Janet, both who have huge fan bases, are in completely different leagues. The way in which they manage their lives and career are totally different. I hate to break it to you, but Madonna will always be bigger than Janet. It has nothing to do with Sales or Marketing or beng a better "artist", though those do come into play. It's how they are viewed by the world. Madonna is REVERED much in the same way Michael Jackson is (or used to be)...or Elvis. It's just how it is. The fact that there are stores worldwide that dedicate themselves to Madonna's music doesn't PROVE anything, but it is telling on how big and dedicated her fan base is. I think we can't compare Janet and Madonna in the first place. Madonna is white, Janet is black... Madonna will always appeal to a wider audience because she's white... And to be honest Janet has dominated Madonna in US since Rythm Nation until the titty scandal... Madonna is only bigger outside the US. This is much harder for black artists to sell records outside the US... Beside MJ, I think the only black artist who has some big appeal worldwide is Tina Turner... [Edited 9/17/07 14:17pm] That's Crazy talk Krayzie! Christian Zombie Vampires | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
superspaceboy said: TotalAlisa said: honestly i DON"T know about this Kyile Minouge woman... i can't say i know any songs... and im not sure what she looks like... so as far as her celebrity status... she's NOT that big.... anytime she can't reach a broad audience...' madonna is too much hype.... people say all these great things about her.. but honestly the only music that i think was her best.. was from the 80's... her music definitly does NOT sound better's then janet... just comparing their last two albums... Madonnas was NICE... but not better then janets.... its just madonna gets more recognition by the media... and janet and many other black artists are ignored... just pick up a tabloid magazine.. or any celeb magazine.. and you will see what i mean.... SO there is NO way madonna is better then janet... So because YOU don't know her music means she's not that big? Kylie is the MADONNA everywhere BUT here. And just because you don't like Madonna's music doesn't mean she's bad. It simply means you don't like her music. Madonna gets more meadi attention because she goes after it. It also comes back around because she is also an ICON, so she gets asked to do things like H&M (I am merely speculating she got asked for that...she gets asked for lots of things). But trust me Madonna is in the media because she puts herself there for the most part. Janet seems to enjoy her privacy and hence doesn't put herself out there as much. As for Kylie Minogue, yes she is huge in Europe. But in East Asia, Madonna is still queen. And in the US, I think people remember her for "Locomotion" and another hit song. But yes, Kylie Minogue is huge. Terrible music, though. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TotalAlisa said: superspaceboy said: Not sure what you are getting at with all of that, but someone needs to CHILL. I never mentioned sales or anything of the sort. Nor did I mention who's music is better. It's all relative. But really the fact is Madonna and Janet, both who have huge fan bases, are in completely different leagues. The way in which they manage their lives and career are totally different. I hate to break it to you, but Madonna will always be bigger than Janet. It has nothing to do with Sales or Marketing or beng a better "artist", though those do come into play. It's how they are viewed by the world. Madonna is REVERED much in the same way Michael Jackson is (or used to be)...or Elvis. It's just how it is. The fact that there are stores worldwide that dedicate themselves to Madonna's music doesn't PROVE anything, but it is telling on how big and dedicated her fan base is. here's my arguement mister... Madonna may be bigger then janet.. but does She deserve to be... NOooooo way.... was recognition way to much recognition given to madonna... YES... just because she is more popular.. or in the media doesn't make her a better artist or a in a higher league.... if you guys just compare and contrast their music and videos.. you will see their is a inequality between the artist... and its Not fair... I completely disagree. You're basing your opinions on how you perceive their music. Music aside, I think Madonna has done a lot more and has taken a lot more creative risks and pushed bounderies much more than Janet...and THAT is why Madonna will always be "Queen". Madonna is and always will be considered one of the hardest working women in the entertainment business. Another thing the Madonna has going for her that Janet does not is that Madonna started from SCRATCH and made herself into what she is today. Janets had a little more "help" in life and it shows. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TotalAlisa said: midnightmover said: Oh, I know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm talking about her popularity in the UK and Europe and the simple truth is she was nowhere near the top echelon over here, even at her very peak. She had a certain prestige because people knew she was big in America, rich, and of course Michael's sister, so in that sense she wasn't a B lister but in terms of her actual popularity she was always on the second tier. Sure, she had hits and maintained a consistent level for about 10 years but she was always far behind a dozen other different artists in terms of popularity. The same could be said of Mariah Carey up until TEOM. who seriously cares about the UK... they rely on the us.. for military protection... and they have no kind of power.... no offense to anyone in the UK>. one of my best friends live there... but seriously the UK doesn't have any kind of millitary power.... with the US>.. they would have been destroyed or under the control of another country if janet's not popular there.. then that fine with me.. and many of her US fans [Edited 9/17/07 14:38pm]
So... then I guess you do not care about the rest of the human race, with the exception of those residing in the United States which is the sole superpower in the world. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |