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Printablesuperspaceboy said: DawnD said: She be the Madonna's main competition. They both made their first album in 1982. They both servived the 80s and 90s and are still making music, that's why. She hasn't sold as much as Madonna, but she's still on Madonna's ass as far as competition is concerned.  Who? Janet? I think she used to be Madonna's Competition back in the day. Not so much now. I'm not sure if Madonna HAS any competition except for herself. As a fan, I hear A LOT about Kylie Minogue, who I would have to say is closer because she is HUGE everywhere but here....AND most of her albums are pretty critically accliamed by the press and her fans. Janet...not so much. i have to agree Kyile is Madonna's biggest competiton. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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MuthaFunka said: DawnD said: And, what did Prince go with his latest effort? And, I loves' me some Prince but come on let's be realistic and less cruel with sarcasm. Are we comparing Prince to MJ in this thread? Nope. So that has absolutely no bearing on this topic whatsoever. But again, if people are trying to justify MJ's comeback with "Well, look what so-and-so did/didn't do" then that speaks volumes about how far he's fallen anyway. This is true, BUT if folks can bring an artist like Kylie into the mix, I can definitely mention Prince's name. Hey, some don't look forward to MJ coming back. Some could careless and that's cool. Some are not feeling him anymore or probably never liked him in the first place. But, I would be hesitant to say he can't do this and he can't do that when none of us really knows how his new material will pan out or how well or how terrible it'll do. We just don't know. But, I'm one of the many who won't say that it'll fail when It may not. And, as you have the right to speak your mind and say whatever you feel, so do I whether you agree or not and others will or won't. | |
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ehuffnsd said: superspaceboy said: Who? Janet? I think she used to be Madonna's Competition back in the day. Not so much now. I'm not sure if Madonna HAS any competition except for herself. As a fan, I hear A LOT about Kylie Minogue, who I would have to say is closer because she is HUGE everywhere but here....AND most of her albums are pretty critically accliamed by the press and her fans. Janet...not so much. i have to agree Kyile is Madonna's biggest competiton. Wake up nobody cares about "Kylie". | |
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superspaceboy said: DawnD said: She be the Madonna's main competition. They both made their first album in 1982. They both servived the 80s and 90s and are still making music, that's why. She hasn't sold as much as Madonna, but she's still on Madonna's ass as far as competition is concerned. Who? Janet? I think she used to be Madonna's Competition back in the day. Not so much now. I'm not sure if Madonna HAS any competition except for herself. As a fan, I hear A LOT about Kylie Minogue, who I would have to say is closer because she is HUGE everywhere but here....AND most of her albums are pretty critically accliamed by the press and her fans. Janet...not so much. Please, that doesn't mean Madonna's shit is good and Janet isn't. Since when is a critics critique etched in stone? Use to Bees don't make honey. Janet's still making music. Again, it's not selling like it use to, but neither is Madonna's. That doesn't make neither less of an artist. If that's the case allot of folks Madonna and Janet as well would've packed up and disappeared along time ago. Now, if you really want to be real about this the ONLY thing either than sales that Madonna has over Janet is she's a better hustler! Better at marketing. But, get knocked on their asses and get right back up and into the game. But, I'll be damned if I fall for, Oh Madonna's the shit! Always has been and always will be and Janet ain't shit! That's why she's always in a bunch of threads here, just like Madonna and Michael cause no one gives a damn. Yeah, right. Let some songs of hers leak. A bunch of folks here will be breaking their necks to take a listen and Madonna's fans will be the Janet fans at it just to judge and say it ain't shit. Madonna's fans seem more concern about Janet's success or the so-called lack thereof cause allot of them know she's Madonna's main competitor and is STILL on her ass. Lack of records sales and all. | |
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Cinnamon234 said: Rhondab said: 
I'm sorry..I just don't want to see MJ wearing some crazy ass costumes, spinning his weird ass around. I don't wanna see the black wig and the red lipstick. I don't wanna hear MJ collaborate with 50 cent. Why can't he just put out some music that he's feeling? Why does it have to be some major "comeback"? Ugh...I'd rather go see Van Hunt. lookin' for Calhoun So don't go see him or change the channel when he comes on TV. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. And he is not collaborating with 50 cent. Come on, get real.
Some of you will believe every and anything where Michael is concerned. But I really find it HILLARIOUS when Prince fans call Michael weird. Oh my gosh...too funny. [Edited 9/17/07 12:41pm] But we're not talkin' about Prince's silly ass right now. I have a few words for him.
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DawnD said: superspaceboy said: Who? Janet? I think she used to be Madonna's Competition back in the day. Not so much now. I'm not sure if Madonna HAS any competition except for herself. As a fan, I hear A LOT about Kylie Minogue, who I would have to say is closer because she is HUGE everywhere but here....AND most of her albums are pretty critically accliamed by the press and her fans. Janet...not so much. Please, that doesn't mean Madonna's shit is good and Janet isn't. Since when is a critics critique etched in stone? Use to Bees don't make honey. Janet's still making music. Again, it's not selling like it use to, but neither is Madonna's. That doesn't make neither less of an artist. If that's the case allot of folks Madonna and Janet as well would've packed up and disappeared along time ago. Now, if you really want to be real about this the ONLY thing either than sales that Madonna has over Janet is she's a better hustler! Better at marketing. But, get knocked on their asses and get right back up and into the game. But, I'll be damned if I fall for, Oh Madonna's the shit! Always has been and always will be and Janet ain't shit! That's why she's always in a bunch of threads here, just like Madonna and Michael cause no one gives a damn. Yeah, right. Let some songs of hers leak. A bunch of folks here will be breaking their necks to take a listen and Madonna's fans will be the Janet fans at it just to judge and say it ain't shit. Madonna's fans seem more concern about Janet's success or the so-called lack thereof cause allot of them know she's Madonna's main competitor and is STILL on her ass. Lack of records sales and all. Not sure what you are getting at with all of that, but someone needs to CHILL. I never mentioned sales or anything of the sort. Nor did I mention who's music is better. It's all relative. But really the fact is Madonna and Janet, both who have huge fan bases, are in completely different leagues. The way in which they manage their lives and career are totally different. I hate to break it to you, but Madonna will always be bigger than Janet. It has nothing to do with Sales or Marketing or beng a better "artist", though those do come into play. It's how they are viewed by the world. Madonna is REVERED much in the same way Michael Jackson is (or used to be)...or Elvis. It's just how it is. The fact that there are stores worldwide that dedicate themselves to Madonna's music doesn't PROVE anything, but it is telling on how big and dedicated her fan base is. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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Rodya24 said: MuthaFunka said: Are we comparing Prince to MJ in this thread? Nope. So that has absolutely no bearing on this topic whatsoever. But again, if people are trying to justify MJ's comeback with "Well, look what so-and-so did/didn't do" then that speaks volumes about how far he's fallen anyway. 
I agree with you that his commercial peak is in the past. But I disagree with you that Michael Jackson will not be able to sell 500,000 or one million copies of his next album. He will not sell nowhere near Thriller figures, but I think he will sell more than 500,000. Oh, I never said he wouldn't sell 1.5, I just said he wouldn't do 10 million worldwide. The "copper" thing was just me taking a shot at how far he's fallen from his Thriller days. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: Rodya24 said:
I agree with you that his commercial peak is in the past. But I disagree with you that Michael Jackson will not be able to sell 500,000 or one million copies of his next album. He will not sell nowhere near Thriller figures, but I think he will sell more than 500,000. Oh, I never said he wouldn't sell 1.5, I just said he wouldn't do 10 million worldwide. The "copper" thing was just me taking a shot at how far he's fallen from his Thriller days. He didn't do 10 million last time either. This figure is touted around a lot but considering how fast it dropped on charts around the world I don't see where those sales would have come from. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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superspaceboy said: midnightmover said: I think we've got a loon on the loose here.
Which one? The MJ Freak, the Madonna Freak or the Janet Freak?
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superspaceboy said: DawnD said: Please, that doesn't mean Madonna's shit is good and Janet isn't. Since when is a critics critique etched in stone? Use to Bees don't make honey. Janet's still making music. Again, it's not selling like it use to, but neither is Madonna's. That doesn't make neither less of an artist. If that's the case allot of folks Madonna and Janet as well would've packed up and disappeared along time ago. Now, if you really want to be real about this the ONLY thing either than sales that Madonna has over Janet is she's a better hustler! Better at marketing. But, get knocked on their asses and get right back up and into the game. But, I'll be damned if I fall for, Oh Madonna's the shit! Always has been and always will be and Janet ain't shit! That's why she's always in a bunch of threads here, just like Madonna and Michael cause no one gives a damn. Yeah, right. Let some songs of hers leak. A bunch of folks here will be breaking their necks to take a listen and Madonna's fans will be the Janet fans at it just to judge and say it ain't shit. Madonna's fans seem more concern about Janet's success or the so-called lack thereof cause allot of them know she's Madonna's main competitor and is STILL on her ass. Lack of records sales and all. Not sure what you are getting at with all of that, but someone needs to CHILL. I never mentioned sales or anything of the sort. Nor did I mention who's music is better. It's all relative. But really the fact is Madonna and Janet, both who have huge fan bases, are in completely different leagues. The way in which they manage their lives and career are totally different. I hate to break it to you, but Madonna will always be bigger than Janet. It has nothing to do with Sales or Marketing or beng a better "artist", though those do come into play. It's how they are viewed by the world. Madonna is REVERED much in the same way Michael Jackson is (or used to be)...or Elvis. It's just how it is. The fact that there are stores worldwide that dedicate themselves to Madonna's music doesn't PROVE anything, but it is telling on how big and dedicated her fan base is. You know what? I sincerely and truly apologize to you and whomever I've offended that happen to pay attention to what I've written. To be blunt, it really isn't that serious. I just get tired of both MJ and JJ getting shitted on from time to time. But, hey to each his or her own. I'm a music lover. I enjoy listening to music no matter what artists' is making it. If it tickles my ears and soothes my heart and mind, I'm into it. I sincerely hope you accept my apology. I've been waiting for a minute to get on the org. I love this web and i enjoy everyones point of view, even if i may disagree. Folks on here are quite intelligent. So, have a nice day and again I apologize. I dig Madonna's old stuff more than her new stuff. I was in awe of TRUE BLUE and LA ISLA BONITA. She did me proud with those. | |
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DawnD said: superspaceboy said: Not sure what you are getting at with all of that, but someone needs to CHILL. I never mentioned sales or anything of the sort. Nor did I mention who's music is better. It's all relative. But really the fact is Madonna and Janet, both who have huge fan bases, are in completely different leagues. The way in which they manage their lives and career are totally different. I hate to break it to you, but Madonna will always be bigger than Janet. It has nothing to do with Sales or Marketing or beng a better "artist", though those do come into play. It's how they are viewed by the world. Madonna is REVERED much in the same way Michael Jackson is (or used to be)...or Elvis. It's just how it is. The fact that there are stores worldwide that dedicate themselves to Madonna's music doesn't PROVE anything, but it is telling on how big and dedicated her fan base is. You know what? I sincerely and truly apologize to you and whomever I've offended that happen to pay attention to what I've written. To be blunt, it really isn't that serious. I just get tired of both MJ and JJ getting shitted on from time to time. But, hey to each his or her own. I'm a music lover. I enjoy listening to music no matter what artists' is making it. If it tickles my ears and soothes my heart and mind, I'm into it. I sincerely hope you accept my apology. I've been waiting for a minute to get on the org. I love this web and i enjoy everyones point of view, even if i may disagree. Folks on here are quite intelligent. So, have a nice day and again I apologize. I dig Madonna's old stuff more than her new stuff. I was in awe of TRUE BLUE and LA ISLA BONITA. She did me proud with those.Apology accecpted. You are correct, it's just music. Most of it is good too. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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VoicesCarry said: Rodya24 said: I will have you know that in most parts of the world, she is known as the sister of Michael Jackson, nothing more.
 Janet has sold over 50 million albums outside of the US. She has mounted successful world tours many times. The rest of the world knows who she is. Even if you don't appreciate her work. [Edited 9/17/07 7:35am] Rody24 is right, Janet is VERY big in US, but outside the US she's mostly known as the Michael's sister... | |
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krayzie said: VoicesCarry said: Janet has sold over 50 million albums outside of the US. She has mounted successful world tours many times. The rest of the world knows who she is. Even if you don't appreciate her work. [Edited 9/17/07 7:35am] Rody24 is right, Janet is VERY big in US, but outside the US she's mostly known as the Michael's sister... True. But, it's all good. At least she's known somewhere. Damn! All this Janet talk is making me want to listen to RHYTHM NATION! | |
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midnightmover said: MuthaFunka said: Oh, I never said he wouldn't sell 1.5, I just said he wouldn't do 10 million worldwide. The "copper" thing was just me taking a shot at how far he's fallen from his Thriller days. He didn't do 10 million last time either. This figure is touted around a lot but considering how fast it dropped on charts around the world I don't see where those sales would have come from. Who's doing 10 million these days anyway? I think the last artist to sell 10 million was either Usher or Madonna or both, but i'm not sure. See, some of you keep saying that Michael is always chasing "Thriller's" sales but I think it is actually you all that keep comparing everything he does to that album which is unfair. Michael can't top the sales of that album-no one can actually. And actually "Invincible" didn't fall off that quickly. It sold 5 million in two months and was doing well for a time. It's just that there was no second single and that caused it to fall off afterwards but for him to sell 8 million (?) based on one single is quite good. Not even today's superstars are selling that much so I don't know why some of you love to just single out Michael. [Edited 9/17/07 14:05pm] "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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DawnD said: Martinelli said: No, it's Janet fans who seem 2 think she's huge outside the US. Don't get me wrong..I really like her. But It's just not true. by 1995 she had sold 48 million albums worldwide.. Her last 3 albums combined, sold less than 1.5m copies in Europe... Where does the 50 million come from? India? China? Wait aminute! I'm a Janet fan, but I don't think she's really big outside the US. I'm realistic. But, at the same time she is known outside the US. But, again her primary fanbase is inside the US. And, so what if she isn't well known outside the US? That doesn't make her less of an artist and it doesn't make artists' that are well known outside of the US more of one either. janet is very big in Japan... there are other places in the world other then Europe.... there's asia and africa |
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Cinnamon234 said: midnightmover said: He didn't do 10 million last time either. This figure is touted around a lot but considering how fast it dropped on charts around the world I don't see where those sales would have come from. Who's doing 10 million these days anyway? I think the last artist to sell 10 million was either Usher or Madonna or both, but i'mnot sure. See, some of you keep saying that Michael is always chasing "Thriller's" sales but I think it is actually you all that keeps comparing everything he does to that album which is unfair. Michael can't top the sales of that album-no one can actually. And actually "Invincible" didn't fall off that quickly. It sold 5 million in two months and was doing well for a time. It's just that there was no second single and that caused it to fall off afterwards but for him to sell 8 million (?) based on one single is quite good. Not even today's superstars are selling that much so I don't know why some of you love to single out Michael. [Edited 9/17/07 14:00pm] I agree. There was the world-wide single "You Rock My World." And the radio-release "Butterflies" in the US. In Europe there was "Cry." That was about it. I think Invincible sold around six to eight million around the world. Not bad for an album with such terrible single releases. | |
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The Madonna vs Janet - thing is pretty relevent, espeically in America. It's a bit like Prince vs Jacko, he has only sold a fraction of what Michael has sold but is still considered his major rival.
The person who said that Janet was B list celebrity, doesn't know what they are talking about When Janet. came out the album went #1 in over 20 countries inlcuding the UK, USA and Australia and the WORLD tour sold out in every city it went too. She is still considered an A list to this day in every country she visits. The people in the UK who "grace" the covers of the newspapers, magazines and who are the most talked about celebrities in the UK like Hilton and Lohan have never had major hit films or singles. Apart from that whole superbowl thing Janet has been a very shy person who tries to stay out the public eye... if Michael was Mariah Carey's or Beyonce's brother they would also be asked about him all the time, thats just how it is when your borther was the biggest pop star in the world | |
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TotalAlisa said: DawnD said: Wait aminute! I'm a Janet fan, but I don't think she's really big outside the US. I'm realistic. But, at the same time she is known outside the US. But, again her primary fanbase is inside the US. And, so what if she isn't well known outside the US? That doesn't make her less of an artist and it doesn't make artists' that are well known outside of the US more of one either. janet is very big in Japan... there are other places in the world other then Europe.... there's asia and africa Ummm... Outside of Japan and to a lesser extent South Korea, Janet is not big in other countries in Asia. And not popular in Africa either. | |
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midnightmover said: Rodya24 said: Okay, I am going to grudgingly agree with you. You shouldn't be so quick to concede. You were right. Janet has never been as big in the UK and Europe as she was in America. Take those figures with a pinch of salt. Like Mariah Carey she's had hits here and is fairly well known, but she was strictly B List even at her peak. Madonna and Whitney on the other hand were fully fledged superstars over here. Nowadays of course she's completely forgotten. I haven't heard another human being say the words "Janet Jackson" now in years. Last time I saw her on a chat show a few years ago, all the interviewer was asking her about was Michael, Michael, Michael. He didn't even pretend to be interested in her. It's still a surprise for me to see how preoccupied people on this website are with her. I haven't met anyone in years who even thinks about her. just because your not a fan.. doesn't mean no one else doesnt like her.... Have you been to JanetJackson forum, janet-friends.com, janet-xone forums... those are very huge janet jackson fan forums... she actually has some really crazy fans over there.... those people will rip you to threads if you say one negative thing about janet... i could compare britney to janet... they both are dance and video artist... neither has the best singing voices... but they have true entertainment talent... well britney used to... anyways... JANET is so much more talent then britney... she on a different level.. but yet britney has sold more albums then janet... when actually comparing albums... janet's songs are much better IMO... and I was a huge fan of both... selling records isn't about talent... its more about popularity and marketing.. because of course if you hear a song a thousand times.. your going to like it... i have to say that janet probably was never that popular... |
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Cinnamon234 said: midnightmover said: He didn't do 10 million last time either. This figure is touted around a lot but considering how fast it dropped on charts around the world I don't see where those sales would have come from. Who's doing 10 million these days anyway? I think the last artist to sell 10 million was either Usher or Madonna or both, but i'm not sure. See, some of you keep saying that Michael is always chasing "Thriller's" sales but I think it is actually you all that keep comparing everything he does to that album which is unfair. Michael can't top the sales of that album-no one can actually. And actually "Invincible" didn't fall off that quickly. It sold 5 million in two months and was doing well for a time. It's just that there was no second single and that caused it to fall off afterwards but for him to sell 8 million (?) based on one single is quite good. Not even today's superstars are selling that much so I don't know why some of you love to just single out Michael. [Edited 9/17/07 14:05pm] You missed the point of my post. People keep saying Invincible sold 10 million worldwide. You just said it sold 8 million. I'm asking where these sales came from since in my part of the world(UK) that album debuted at No.1, but left the Top 40 within 4-5 weeks. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Rodya24 said: TotalAlisa said: janet is very big in Japan... there are other places in the world other then Europe.... there's asia and africa Ummm... Outside of Japan and to a lesser extent South Korea, Janet is not big in other countries in Asia. And not popular in Africa either. Really?!? I heard she was pretty big in South Africa. Hell, I don't know. I'm just happy that she's still making music. Just as long as I get her stuff here in America, I'm cool! | |
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Rodya24 said: Cinnamon234 said: Who's doing 10 million these days anyway? I think the last artist to sell 10 million was either Usher or Madonna or both, but i'mnot sure. See, some of you keep saying that Michael is always chasing "Thriller's" sales but I think it is actually you all that keeps comparing everything he does to that album which is unfair. Michael can't top the sales of that album-no one can actually. And actually "Invincible" didn't fall off that quickly. It sold 5 million in two months and was doing well for a time. It's just that there was no second single and that caused it to fall off afterwards but for him to sell 8 million (?) based on one single is quite good. Not even today's superstars are selling that much so I don't know why some of you love to single out Michael. [Edited 9/17/07 14:00pm] I agree. There was the world-wide single "You Rock My World." And the radio-release "Butterflies" in the US. In Europe there was "Cry." That was about it. I think Invincible sold around six to eight million around the world. Not bad for an album with such terrible single releases. What? I disagree big time lol. I love "You Rock My World" and "Butterflies", but yes Invincible did do well considering the fact that it only had one world wide single and one official video. I still can't believe that he only did one video for that album though. Michael and music videos go together like p&j, I mean that was just crazy to me. I really hope things are different with the new album (whenever it comes out). "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ
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ElectricBlue said: Thriller?
How in the world is any album ever going to sell 60 million copies? In 1982 we had people buying the Album or Cassette. Then in the mid 1980's rebuying all your old stuff on CD. Then put another "special edtion". All because of that sold 60 million copies. Now in 2007 you just download off the internet for "free" or one friend buys it and uses a mp3 ripper, then burn free copies to your friends. MJ couldn't sell his last album even though he had $30 Million worth of promotion & $35 Million of production. As for a Tour, MJ couldnt even sell out the Victory Tour. They gave tickets away for free to make it appear kinda filled. That was at his peak! I saw Janet in 2001 in a 20,000 seater and it was less then 1/2 filled. We had crappy seats, as soon as we walked in the usher brought everyone to the floor seats. Janet will cover him from totally failing in America. He will do ok around the world, I guess it is a decent plan to ride Janet's Fame. Yup, Thriller has sold more than 104 million copies. | |
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ehuffnsd said: superspaceboy said: Who? Janet? I think she used to be Madonna's Competition back in the day. Not so much now. I'm not sure if Madonna HAS any competition except for herself. As a fan, I hear A LOT about Kylie Minogue, who I would have to say is closer because she is HUGE everywhere but here....AND most of her albums are pretty critically accliamed by the press and her fans. Janet...not so much. i have to agree Kyile is Madonna's biggest competiton. honestly i DON"T know about this Kyile Minouge woman... i can't say i know any songs... and im not sure what she looks like... so as far as her celebrity status... she's NOT that big.... anytime she can't reach a broad audience...' madonna is too much hype.... people say all these great things about her.. but honestly the only music that i think was her best.. was from the 80's... her music definitly does NOT sound better's then janet... just comparing their last two albums... Madonnas was NICE... but not better then janets.... its just madonna gets more recognition by the media... and janet and many other black artists are ignored... just pick up a tabloid magazine.. or any celeb magazine.. and you will see what i mean.... SO there is NO way madonna is better then janet... |
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superspaceboy said: DawnD said: Please, that doesn't mean Madonna's shit is good and Janet isn't. Since when is a critics critique etched in stone? Use to Bees don't make honey. Janet's still making music. Again, it's not selling like it use to, but neither is Madonna's. That doesn't make neither less of an artist. If that's the case allot of folks Madonna and Janet as well would've packed up and disappeared along time ago. Now, if you really want to be real about this the ONLY thing either than sales that Madonna has over Janet is she's a better hustler! Better at marketing. But, get knocked on their asses and get right back up and into the game. But, I'll be damned if I fall for, Oh Madonna's the shit! Always has been and always will be and Janet ain't shit! That's why she's always in a bunch of threads here, just like Madonna and Michael cause no one gives a damn. Yeah, right. Let some songs of hers leak. A bunch of folks here will be breaking their necks to take a listen and Madonna's fans will be the Janet fans at it just to judge and say it ain't shit. Madonna's fans seem more concern about Janet's success or the so-called lack thereof cause allot of them know she's Madonna's main competitor and is STILL on her ass. Lack of records sales and all. Not sure what you are getting at with all of that, but someone needs to CHILL. I never mentioned sales or anything of the sort. Nor did I mention who's music is better. It's all relative. But really the fact is Madonna and Janet, both who have huge fan bases, are in completely different leagues. The way in which they manage their lives and career are totally different. I hate to break it to you, but Madonna will always be bigger than Janet. It has nothing to do with Sales or Marketing or beng a better "artist", though those do come into play. It's how they are viewed by the world. Madonna is REVERED much in the same way Michael Jackson is (or used to be)...or Elvis. It's just how it is. The fact that there are stores worldwide that dedicate themselves to Madonna's music doesn't PROVE anything, but it is telling on how big and dedicated her fan base is. I think we can't compare Janet and Madonna in the first place. Madonna is white, Janet is black... Madonna will always appeal to a wider audience because she's white... And to be honest Janet has dominated Madonna in US since Rythm Nation until the titty scandal... Madonna is only bigger outside the US. This is much harder for black artists to sell records outside the US... Beside MJ, I think the only black artist who has some big appeal worldwide is Tina Turner... [Edited 9/17/07 14:17pm] | |
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midnightmover said: You missed the point of my post. People keep saying Invincible sold 10 million worldwide. You just said it sold 8 million. I'm asking where these sales came from since in my part of the world(UK) that album debuted at No.1, but left the Top 40 within 4-5 weeks. Oh did they? Well I certainly never claimed it sold 10 million but yes I've read in several places that it sold 8 million. Michael is an artist who is known all over the world so I don't understand why you think it's impossible that Invincible sold 8 million. The UK isn't the only music market in the world you know and it isn't even the biggest. "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ
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DawnD said: Rodya24 said: Ummm... Outside of Japan and to a lesser extent South Korea, Janet is not big in other countries in Asia. And not popular in Africa either. Really?!? I heard she was pretty big in South Africa. Hell, I don't know. I'm just happy that she's still making music. Just as long as I get her stuff here in America, I'm cool! Janet had her fist top ten hit in South Africa with "Two to the power of love" even before the USA and had a string of #1's too. | |
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mancabdriver said: The person who said that Janet was B list celebrity, doesn't know what they are talking about Oh, I know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm talking about her popularity in the UK and Europe and the simple truth is she was nowhere near the top echelon over here, even at her very peak. She had a certain prestige because people knew she was big in America, rich, and of course Michael's sister, so in that sense she wasn't a B lister but in terms of her actual popularity she was always on the second tier. Sure, she had hits and maintained a consistent level for about 10 years but she was always far behind a dozen other different artists in terms of popularity. The same could be said of Mariah Carey up until TEOM. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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superspaceboy said: DawnD said: Please, that doesn't mean Madonna's shit is good and Janet isn't. Since when is a critics critique etched in stone? Use to Bees don't make honey. Janet's still making music. Again, it's not selling like it use to, but neither is Madonna's. That doesn't make neither less of an artist. If that's the case allot of folks Madonna and Janet as well would've packed up and disappeared along time ago. Now, if you really want to be real about this the ONLY thing either than sales that Madonna has over Janet is she's a better hustler! Better at marketing. But, get knocked on their asses and get right back up and into the game. But, I'll be damned if I fall for, Oh Madonna's the shit! Always has been and always will be and Janet ain't shit! That's why she's always in a bunch of threads here, just like Madonna and Michael cause no one gives a damn. Yeah, right. Let some songs of hers leak. A bunch of folks here will be breaking their necks to take a listen and Madonna's fans will be the Janet fans at it just to judge and say it ain't shit. Madonna's fans seem more concern about Janet's success or the so-called lack thereof cause allot of them know she's Madonna's main competitor and is STILL on her ass. Lack of records sales and all. Not sure what you are getting at with all of that, but someone needs to CHILL. I never mentioned sales or anything of the sort. Nor did I mention who's music is better. It's all relative. But really the fact is Madonna and Janet, both who have huge fan bases, are in completely different leagues. The way in which they manage their lives and career are totally different. I hate to break it to you, but Madonna will always be bigger than Janet. It has nothing to do with Sales or Marketing or beng a better "artist", though those do come into play. It's how they are viewed by the world. Madonna is REVERED much in the same way Michael Jackson is (or used to be)...or Elvis. It's just how it is. The fact that there are stores worldwide that dedicate themselves to Madonna's music doesn't PROVE anything, but it is telling on how big and dedicated her fan base is. here's my arguement mister... Madonna may be bigger then janet.. but does She deserve to be... NOooooo way.... was recognition way to much recognition given to madonna... YES... just because she is more popular.. or in the media doesn't make her a better artist or a in a higher league.... if you guys just compare and contrast their music and videos.. you will see their is a inequality between the artist... and its Not fair... |
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