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Reply #60 posted 09/17/07 9:51am

VoicesCarry

Rodya24 said:

MuthaFunka said:


Because MJ has basically become tabloid fodder and the butt of a many jokes now. He's looked upon as being "this weird dude" rather than "the king of pop".


Oh yeah. But there are still a number of people who are willing to purchase his albums. Even people in my generation (those who were born after Thriller, Bad, Dangerous, and even HIStory).


I agree. His fanbase is huge. They even bought millions of copies of Number Ones, despite the fact that it was a recycled version of an older hits collection.
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Reply #61 posted 09/17/07 10:19am

midnightmover

Rodya24 said:

VoicesCarry said:



nod True now. Not true in the past.



nod Okay, I am going to grudgingly agree with you. biggrin

You shouldn't be so quick to concede. You were right. Janet has never been as big in the UK and Europe as she was in America. Take those figures with a pinch of salt. Like Mariah Carey she's had hits here and is fairly well known, but she was strictly B List even at her peak. Madonna and Whitney on the other hand were fully fledged superstars over here. Nowadays of course she's completely forgotten. I haven't heard another human being say the words "Janet Jackson" now in years. Last time I saw her on a chat show a few years ago, all the interviewer was asking her about was Michael, Michael, Michael. He didn't even pretend to be interested in her. It's still a surprise for me to see how preoccupied people on this website are with her. I haven't met anyone in years who even thinks about her.
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Reply #62 posted 09/17/07 10:22am

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....can't wait to see this lol .....
If you will, so will I
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Reply #63 posted 09/17/07 10:48am

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bored I love how everything is always going to be as big as Thriller based on pure speculation.

I am still waiting on that Katrina Single.

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Reply #64 posted 09/17/07 10:56am

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Do I sense a egomaniacal title along the lines of "Omnipotent" or "Immortal" or "Holy" or maybe even "God?"
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Reply #65 posted 09/17/07 10:56am

DawnD

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Nothing will be as big as Thriller! That was a once in a lifetime deal. Anyways. Isn't Mike's new album supposed to be released digitally on the internet? I smell a flop coming....

I wholeheartedly agree with most of what you're sayin. I believe this cd will do better than Invincible. I wouldn't put ANYTHING past MJ. I mean, there's no entertainer like him. He's one in a million.
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Reply #66 posted 09/17/07 10:59am

DawnD

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ElectricBlue said:

Thriller? eek

How in the world is any album ever going to sell 60 million copies? In 1982 we had people buying the Album or Cassette. Then in the mid 1980's rebuying all your old stuff on CD. Then put another "special edtion". All because of that sold 60 million copies. Now in 2007 you just download off the internet for "free" or one friend buys it and uses a mp3 ripper, then burn free copies to your friends. MJ couldn't sell his last album even though he had $30 Million worth of promotion & $35 Million of production.

As for a Tour, MJ couldnt even sell out the Victory Tour. They gave tickets away for free to make it appear kinda filled. That was at his peak! I saw Janet in 2001 in a 20,000 seater and it was less then 1/2 filled. We had crappy seats, as soon as we walked in the usher brought everyone to the floor seats.

Janet will cover him from totally failing in America. He will do ok around the world, I guess it is a decent plan to ride Janet's Fame.

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60 million copies? eek
MJ couldn't sell his last album? eek
Janet's fame? eek eek

Thriller has sold over 100 million copies.
Invincible sold 11.2 million copies.
Janet's fame? eek eek eek

The Jacksons may not have sold out every concert of the Victory tour. But Michael sold out the Bad tour, Dangerous tour and HIStory tour. In terms of record sales, 1984 was his peak. But in terms of ticket sales, 1996-97 was his peak.

You are kidding yourself if you think Michael couldn't sell out stadiums these days and has to tour with Janet to do so. IF Michael and Janet are touring together, it's because they are family and want to share the experience together. It's got shit all to do with using the other to get ticket sales.

You have no clue.

Yes! Janet's fame! Hell, just because she hasn't sold million, well niether her or Prince had in awhile it doesn't mean she nor he doesn't have any fame! Damn! No one is ontop all the damn time! It may come as a shock, but it's unrealistic. Neither Sting nor Bono are selling like crazy right now, that doesn't mean they are not A listers and don't have fame! Sheesh!
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Reply #67 posted 09/17/07 11:04am

DawnD

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First of all, I hope Michael Jackson does not pull another Thriller. It happens once a lifetime; moreover, he is almost 50.

All in all, cool news. The source that you cited is not nearly as tarnished as Fox News. I hope the person the article quoted was exaggerating about the Thriller part, but was honest about how good the album sounds.

Yeah, and ElectricBlue: sad to your comment on Michael depending on the fame of Janet Jackson. I will have you know that in most parts of the world, she is known as the sister of Michael Jackson, nothing more. nod

That's allot of how folks feel that aren't feeling or neither like Janet. Without question, she's carved her own nitch. I guess, she just pisses allot of folks off due to her not going away and simply disappearing. I hope she keeps working until SHE decides to quit, not when others think she should. Michael can move a crowd like no other always. He's just special that way. I so dig that! lol
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Reply #68 posted 09/17/07 11:05am

DawnD

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VoicesCarry said:



Janet has sold over 50 million albums outside of the US. She has mounted successful world tours many times. The rest of the world knows who she is. Even if you don't appreciate her work.
[Edited 9/17/07 7:35am]


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Wow. I have had to defend myself from the Janet fans quite often in the past week. I will write it again: I love for the most part her singles. I want both her and her brother to succeed commercially and musically in the upcoming year.

But let us be honest: Janet Jackson is primarily a US and Japan act.

This is true. She does well in Canada and Australia as well. But, for the most part her primary success is in America. smile
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Reply #69 posted 09/17/07 11:06am

DawnD

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I dont believe this article is Real..and people are on Crack if they think ANY new album will outsell thriller !

smile Aww. That was indeed a once in a lifetime thingy.
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Reply #70 posted 09/17/07 11:09am

DawnD

VoicesCarry said:

Martinelli said:



absolutely not


Yes, she has.

Why is it always the Madonna fans that have the problem? lol

She be the Madonna's main competition. They both made their first album in 1982. They both servived the 80s and 90s and are still making music, that's why. She hasn't sold as much as Madonna, but she's still on Madonna's ass as far as competition is concerned. biggrin
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Reply #71 posted 09/17/07 11:11am

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I think the album is going to be amazing. From what I've heard, it will be as big as 'Thriller'


spit Yeah right!

Forget platinum, MJ will be lucky to go copper!

His Thriller days are LONG GONE and he will never be able to recapture the 80s. He's done. Only HE thinks he's still relevant in the music game and that's a damn shame.

And, what did Prince go with his latest effort? And, I loves' me some Prince but come on let's be realistic and less cruel with sarcasm.
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Reply #72 posted 09/17/07 11:12am

DawnD

VinnyM27 said:

Sounds like more spin and gossip but if there is any truth to it all, if I were Janet, I would worry about my damn self.

Oh! Well, are you Janet?
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Reply #73 posted 09/17/07 11:16am

DawnD

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VoicesCarry said:



Yes, she has.

Why is it always the Madonna fans that have the problem? lol


No, it's Janet fans who seem 2 think she's huge outside the US.

Don't get me wrong..I really like her.

But It's just not true. by 1995 she had
sold 48 million albums worldwide..

Her last 3 albums combined, sold less than 1.5m copies
in Europe...

Where does the 50 million come from? India? China?

Wait aminute! I'm a Janet fan, but I don't think she's really big outside the US. I'm realistic. But, at the same time she is known outside the US. But, again her primary fanbase is inside the US. And, so what if she isn't well known outside the US? That doesn't make her less of an artist and it doesn't make artists' that are well known outside of the US more of one either.
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Reply #74 posted 09/17/07 11:17am

DawnD

Rodya24 said:

MuthaFunka said:



I don't see him selling 10 milion worldwide. His "star" has fallen.



That "fallen star" still manages to sell more albums than most other "fallen stars." wink

lol I so love that!
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Reply #75 posted 09/17/07 11:20am

DawnD

MuthaFunka said:

Rodya24 said:



Fine. You do not think Michael Jackson will sell 500,000 copies of his upcoming album. In the words of VoiceCarry, you "win."


Oh lawd. What's with the pissy attitude? See, this is why you can't reason with MJ fans - They're "blinded by it all". Sad.

I'm not blind, okay! I'm quite realistic. The last scandal really did hurt MJ. However, his abscence from the scene has helped his situation, cause allot of folks DO miss him. And, he does have as great of a chance as any other celebrity to do well for himself on the charts again. Folks still lose their damn minds whenever he makes an appearance, so it ain't over UNTIL it's over.
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Reply #76 posted 09/17/07 11:24am

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Reply #77 posted 09/17/07 11:24am

lowkey

im a janet fan, i live in america so i can care less how well known she is in europe...its like that kylie chick some people love so much, i hear she is huge overseas but nobody i know every heard of her.
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Reply #78 posted 09/17/07 11:27am

midnightmover

I think we've got a loon on the loose here.
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Reply #79 posted 09/17/07 11:38am

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DawnD said:

MuthaFunka said:



spit Yeah right!

Forget platinum, MJ will be lucky to go copper!

His Thriller days are LONG GONE and he will never be able to recapture the 80s. He's done. Only HE thinks he's still relevant in the music game and that's a damn shame.

And, what did Prince go with his latest effort? And, I loves' me some Prince but come on let's be realistic and less cruel with sarcasm.


Are we comparing Prince to MJ in this thread? Nope. So that has absolutely no bearing on this topic whatsoever. But again, if people are trying to justify MJ's comeback with "Well, look what so-and-so did/didn't do" then that speaks volumes about how far he's fallen anyway.
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Reply #80 posted 09/17/07 12:05pm

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DarlingDiana said:

Jackson plan his comeback
Singer is talking about a new album and tour

September 17, 2007
BY BILL ZWECKER Sun-Times Columnist

As stories fly about how troubled entertainers like Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears or Tom Sizemore will stage attempts at career comebacks, I'm hearing another tarnished star is quietly strategising his return to centre stage.

None other than Michael Jackson has been meeting with a series of music industry insiders and promoters regarding a major new album and international concert tour to promote it - possibly by the end of 2008 or early 2009.

A long-time Jackson associate told this column Friday, "This is something Michael is carefully planning. I think the album is going to be amazing. From what I've heard, it will be as big as 'Thriller' - and yet will take his music in a new direction to appeal to new, younger fans - but will still have those Michael touches his traditional fans love."

Apparently, Janet Jackson and some of Michael's brothers possibly will be involved, including doing duets with him on a number of tracks. "Can you imagine what a sensation it would be if Michael and Janet toured together," said the source, teasingly. "That is something that's being discussed."

http://www.suntimes.com/e...17.article





AWESOME..... square
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Reply #81 posted 09/17/07 12:07pm

Rodya24

MuthaFunka said:

DawnD said:


And, what did Prince go with his latest effort? And, I loves' me some Prince but come on let's be realistic and less cruel with sarcasm.


Are we comparing Prince to MJ in this thread? Nope. So that has absolutely no bearing on this topic whatsoever. But again, if people are trying to justify MJ's comeback with "Well, look what so-and-so did/didn't do" then that speaks volumes about how far he's fallen anyway.


shrug

I agree with you that his commercial peak is in the past. But I disagree with you that Michael Jackson will not be able to sell 500,000 or one million copies of his next album. He will not sell nowhere near Thriller figures, but I think he will sell more than 500,000.
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Reply #82 posted 09/17/07 12:19pm

Rhondab

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I'm sorry..I just don't want to see MJ wearing some crazy ass costumes, spinning his weird ass around.


I don't wanna see the black wig and the red lipstick.

I don't wanna hear MJ collaborate with 50 cent.


Why can't he just put out some music that he's feeling? Why does it have to be some major "comeback"?

Ugh...I'd rather go see Van Hunt.

lookin' for Calhoun lol
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Reply #83 posted 09/17/07 12:21pm

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shrug

I agree with you that his commercial peak is in the past. But I disagree with you that Michael Jackson will not be able to sell 500,000 or one million copies of his next album. He will not sell nowhere near Thriller figures, but I think he will sell more than 500,000.


People are REALLY underestimating Michael. Sure nothing he releases will ever top Thriller (no artist is going to top that albums sales for that matter actually, at least not in this lifetime anyway), but considering all the scandals that he's been associated with, he still sells pretty well. I mean his "Number One's" cd came out in November of 2003 when he was accused for the second time and the album STILL managed to sell 7 million copies worldwide including 1 million in the U.S. Most of today's "superstars" like Beyonce who, Justin,etc. who all have squeaky clean images and who are scandal free can't even manage to sell that these days.

It's really ridiculous to think that Michael's next cd wont sell millions. The only other artist that sells as much or more than Michael worldwide is Madonna. The U.S. might be a problem, but outside of America Michael has no problems selling records.

I really hope Michael and Janet decide to tour together though! I would love to see both of them live as I haven't had the chance to see either of them before.
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Reply #84 posted 09/17/07 12:22pm

Rodya24

Rhondab said:

bored


I'm sorry..I just don't want to see MJ wearing some crazy ass costumes, spinning his weird ass around.


I don't wanna see the black wig and the red lipstick.

I don't wanna hear MJ collaborate with 50 cent.


Why can't he just put out some music that he's feeling? Why does it have to be some major "comeback"?

Ugh...I'd rather go see Van Hunt.

lookin' for Calhoun lol


I agree with you 100%. I am hoping that if he does release a new album, it will be from the heart.
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Reply #85 posted 09/17/07 12:23pm

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Rhondab said:

bored


I'm sorry..I just don't want to see MJ wearing some crazy ass costumes, spinning his weird ass around.


I don't wanna see the black wig and the red lipstick.

I don't wanna hear MJ collaborate with 50 cent.


Why can't he just put out some music that he's feeling? Why does it have to be some major "comeback"?

Ugh...I'd rather go see Van Hunt.

lookin' for Calhoun lol


lol So don't go see him or change the channel when he comes on TV. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. And he is not collaborating with 50 cent. Come on, get real.

Some of you will believe every and anything where Michael is concerned.

But I really find it HILLARIOUS when Prince fans call Michael weird. Oh my gosh...too funny.
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Reply #86 posted 09/17/07 12:31pm

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DawnD said:

VoicesCarry said:



Yes, she has.

Why is it always the Madonna fans that have the problem? lol

She be the Madonna's main competition. They both made their first album in 1982. They both servived the 80s and 90s and are still making music, that's why. She hasn't sold as much as Madonna, but she's still on Madonna's ass as far as competition is concerned. biggrin


Who? Janet? I think she used to be Madonna's Competition back in the day. Not so much now. I'm not sure if Madonna HAS any competition except for herself. As a fan, I hear A LOT about Kylie Minogue, who I would have to say is closer because she is HUGE everywhere but here....AND most of her albums are pretty critically accliamed by the press and her fans. Janet...not so much.

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Reply #87 posted 09/17/07 12:32pm

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TotalAlisa said:

DarlingDiana said:

Jackson plan his comeback
Singer is talking about a new album and tour

September 17, 2007
BY BILL ZWECKER Sun-Times Columnist

As stories fly about how troubled entertainers like Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears or Tom Sizemore will stage attempts at career comebacks, I'm hearing another tarnished star is quietly strategising his return to centre stage.

None other than Michael Jackson has been meeting with a series of music industry insiders and promoters regarding a major new album and international concert tour to promote it - possibly by the end of 2008 or early 2009.

A long-time Jackson associate told this column Friday, "This is something Michael is carefully planning. I think the album is going to be amazing. From what I've heard, it will be as big as 'Thriller' - and yet will take his music in a new direction to appeal to new, younger fans - but will still have those Michael touches his traditional fans love."

Apparently, Janet Jackson and some of Michael's brothers possibly will be involved, including doing duets with him on a number of tracks. "Can you imagine what a sensation it would be if Michael and Janet toured together," said the source, teasingly. "That is something that's being discussed."

http://www.suntimes.com/e...17.article





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Reply #88 posted 09/17/07 12:33pm

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midnightmover said:

I think we've got a loon on the loose here.


Which one? The MJ Freak, the Madonna Freak or the Janet Freak? lol

"A Michael Jackson fan, A Madonna Fan and a Janet Jackson Fan walk into a bar..."

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