PrettyMan72 said:

Auuuggghh!!... :O

PFunkjazz said:

I'm not getting IN this, but, I really like the vocals all over I don't remember the name, I think its on "The Clones of Dr Funkenstein" "I'm liking the things you do...the way you move your sexy bo..day..."

feltbluish said:

Actually ,George was a good singer in the early days.I have a CD called "Testifyin" that contains some of his early pre-funk doo-wop type stuff.He does a really nice version of "Ice Melting in Your Heart" ,a song he later gave to "The Brides"

feltbluish said:

The tune is "I've Been Watching You (Move Your Sexy Body)" and the singer is Glen Goines. He died in 1978 of complications due to hepatits-c and also recorded the QUAZAR albums with PFUNK alumnus drummer Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey (later founded MUTINY). Many beleived Glen would have had a career to equal Luther Vandross if he had survived, his voice was really that good!

PFunkjazz said:

let you tell it P-Funk did it all&that ain't true.Earth,Wind&Fire would still Blow there Ass's off any Stage&now easily.P-Funk was the RUle of thumb back in the day with EWF right there but nowadays P-Funk are just there.the Elements still rope that Ass.no Rick ain't with Prysock or Wilson but outside the CLouds&Smoke that represents P-Funk you ask anybody else and nobody in P-Funk on Vocals is gonna get Rick James Love on Vocals.the Mary Jane Girls on Vocals would Smear Parlet&let Val Young go up with any of the P-Funk Girls&they will get CLowned as well.you just Madd because "Fire&Desire" is a Standard on the Slow-Jam tip.where is the Mighty P-Funk Ballad?the reason why I Mentioned George is because of your screen Picture&the way you seem to just Blow P-Funk up beyond.Yes those Cats are Genius&Can Play,etc... but when it comes to Singing your Boys would be stuck on Mute.

PrettyMan72 said:

yeah because of Non-Singing Ass Mick Jagger.

mistermaxxx said:

Now it's EWF?
Whatever man. It's cool if
you only knee-deep into PFUNK.
I don't begrudge ya none. EWF & RJ got
got their place in the music, too.


Maybe ya oughta cop a JPG of Rick James or something...


[This message was edited Fri Oct 11 8:43:02 PDT 2002 by PFunkjazz]

PFunkjazz said:

whatever JPG means?Rick is still doing His thing&EWF as well.P-Funk was Baddd back in the day.EWF is tight,Rick is still doing His thing&P-Funk are alright for grandpa's.HA!Ha!HA!

Till I loved You - Barbra and Don Johnson

Ebony and Ivory - Stevie and Paul

mistermaxxx said:

JPG = jpeg format you'd upload a pic for your avatar.



You're showin' your ass, son!

All I've dissed is Rick's horrid balladeeringstyle . You can have your supremacy on "Quiet Storm SLOW JAMS Hour". I don't listen to much of Black radio and I could care less about that style anyway! Rick's funk is fine (tho it's kinda thin). He hit hard with STREET SONGS, but I gotta hit "SKIP" hard when "F&D" comes up. It just ain't my groove.

I'm a tremendously huge EWF fan, but I certainly have my criticisms of their poppish-disco style (despite their stengths in afro-jazz), but that's not relevant here on this thread.


As per PFUNK being old. I'll gladly delve into a music with some history and traditon behind it. I love jazz and blues for that very reason. It's quite stupid to try to dog PFUNK to build up Rick James and EWF. They all come out of the same bag. Any fool could see that, can't you?




I don't know what kinds of show you actually get out (if any!) to see nowadys, but I've seen both EWF (2x) and PFUNK (18x) in the past 3 years. They're both doing mostly oldschool rehash shows. PFUNK, however, is attracting more of a younger crowd than EWF. Lots of college-age white kids are diggin into PFUNK and finding they love the hard-funk groove. Not that I'm knocking EWF, but they don't really do a jamband style that would attract young adults.

EWF's show is more like something you'd take a date along and cuddle up and get all romantic and shit.

Now I'm outta here cuz your silliness bores me.
[This message was edited Fri Oct 11 23:19:50 PDT 2002 by PFunkjazz]

PFunkjazz said:

Good point.

But then your whole post was full of good points.

Supernova said:

Ya know I'd wanna runaway with you, if I wasn't already married!!

PFunkjazz said:

PFunkjazz said:

I don't wanna up-load jack.Maurice White started out with Ramsey Lewis&His Jazz Chops&whatnot cover a wide range.you know you turkeys are pretty sad when you got get excited for White College Kids to come see the Retirement Home Funk?you aren't a bigger EWF Fan than Myself I can tell you that.EWF had A Jam within the last 20 years that still rocks with "Let's Groove" when was your last Jam?"Automic Dog" was Solo with that Kermit the Frog getting Cat Scratched on the Back Singing Clinton.you trying to knock the Elements? you are too funny because of course you wanna take a Date to see a Great Band knock it out the box in many different ways.P-Funk is just like "Star-Child" Old&Moldy&time to change your Diaper&your Tired Ass Sound.Rick James still can Rock a Show.Rick&P-Funk you can say along more of the same lines overall.but Rick during His Hey Day left your Act in the dust as well.who cares abotu attracting Younger Fans? your Band is so Desperate for any kind of Exposure.do you hear Frankie Beverly&Maze crying for new White Fans or younger Fans in general? I saw both Acts within the past few Years&here are my thoughts: Earth,Wind&fire though they have a B-Level Group when Sheldon Reynolds was in it they still were tight.now we get Larry Dunn&Al Mckay back watch out.as for P-Funk while they still can Play they are staggering&seem out of it.EWF was Coherent&on Point.P-Funk needs there Diapers Changed&if they were to take that Non-Singing&tired Band on Stage after EWF performed today in a show those Diapers would be changed.put it like this: if going by what I saw over the past 2-3 years on stage was at the Apollo the Sand Man would Yank P-Funk's Ass Off the Stage.in My Old Neighborhood EWF were Our Beatles.P-Funk got Props back then.but EWF still does.I feel sorry for you if you have to go to Beverly Hills 90210&get excited because P-Funk has New Fans.WOW!!!

TheSkinMechanic said:

You're talking about Roberta Flack and Peabo Bryson, though I think the song's pretty good...certainly not a "worst duet". But, to each his/her own!!

Firstly, I don't speak for PFunkjazz, but my interpretation of PFunk's post was that many people from different backgrounds go to see a PFunk show, including a lot more Whites. Whereas before Hard Funk, as I like to call it, was a style that most Whites weren't into during the the genre's heyday. The very fact that many people of different backgrounds and of different generations are going to see PFunk 30+ years after their first recordings is a testament to their timelessness. Not to mention those of the hip hop generation, who have sampled them to death. Of course this isn't a PFunk phenomenon. They're just included in that group of artists that are still relavent musically speaking after years and years. In terms of Hard Funk they set the standard.

Secondly, "Automic Dog" (which I'm sick of) is a George Clinton solo song. You can't exactly blame that on Parliament/Funkadelic in my opinion. Clinton solo could never be what the PFunk empire is as a whole.

Thirdly, I don't think PFunkjazz was knocking EW&F. To tell you the truth, although the comparisons to both groups aren't exactly apples/apples, what both groups did is equally valid regardless of which routes they took. PFunk wasn't into the Afro/Cuban Jazz like EW&F was, and EW&F wasn't exactly into the Hard Funk, Rock, and outer space concepts that PFunk was into. It doesn't mean one was "better" than the other, it means they were both different. Both groups had some of the best musicians you'll find. They just had different methods of getting their Funk and message across.

Fourthly, as far as Rick James' stage show goes; there are issues to take with both Rick and G. Clinton. I don't know if it's happened recently, but I've heard people who I know and don't know say that Clinton has smoked crack onstage. WHAT year/tour this was, I don't remember. I didn't believe it when I heard people I didn't know say so, but once a close friend of mine told me about it...and Rick's problems onstage have been documented in reviews lately too. I didn't think it could be as bad as it was written about till 2 different co-workers of mine went to see him at different gigs and said his show was terrible and they said he acted as if he still had a drug problem. I had no reason to take it to heart when I heard/read about these things, but when friends started telling me about it...

Fifthly, who cares about attracting new fans??? That's partly the way you know music is timeless. The Beatles recently released album of #1 hits that sold well weren't all bought by their baby boom listeners that grew up with them. The fact that the younger generation goes to shows by a group that started their career before these folks were born says a lot. It happens at Prince shows too, although he's been an underground music maker for the last several years, the generation younger than him still holds his back catalog in high esteem. And you know what? Most of them come from his latest shows loving his newer music too - if they knew nothing about it before. These artists still attract those of a different generation because their music is timeless. This does NOT mean I don't think EW&F's music isn't timeless, I do. And I also think they should have been inducted into the HOF sooner than they were instead of having to wait a little longer.

Lastly, considering the giants that they are, I don't think you'd even bother to criticize Parliament/Funkadelic in any way had it not been that PFunkjazz criticized Rick James. But since he did, it seems PFunk (the group) was an easy target. Both EW&F and Parliament/Funkadelic covered a lot of musical territory. Most artists that do tend to have timeless music. My collection would be missing something without either of their contributions to music. But I do think both groups attract a different type of crowd OVERALL - not totally different, just overall.


Cut me...
[This message was edited Sat Oct 12 18:07:11 PDT 2002 by Supernova]

funkbible said:

rofl

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