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PrintableNajee said: Don't blame MTV and record labels... there are so many independent record labels out there it's ridiculous.
Black people embraced the likes of NWA, The 2 Live Crew, Scarface, Too $hort etc. White America wanted to kill that sound and fast, now black people are trying to have a selective memory. After WE made that music popular and wide selling then major record companies did turn away people who didn't fit the proven archetype for sales... but last I checked most of us weren't beating in the doors of more progressive rap prior to that anyway. And then when we did have a "positive" rapper who was arguably the biggest draw in music at the time (Hammer) the black community turned its back on him. And still we want to blame Whitey? That's business. It's not a racial conspiracy. We even did it to ourselves if you check out how LA Reid influenced Outkast's sound on their first album. It's "there is a proven business model that works so let's get a piece of that pie". Most people aren't going to take a chance on Common when they know they can make a gold record if they stick to a certain formula that has proven successful. And that's for rap, rock, country, pop and every other genre. You think "real" country music fans were creaming themselves over Billy Ray Cyrus? Yet and still when independents like No Limit, Cash Money, Slip n Slide etc. FORCED their way onto the scene they chose to rap about the same stuff. There were no MCAs or Capitols holding a contract over their heads. They chose their sound and continued to popularize the image. [Edited 9/8/07 19:11pm] excellent post. | |
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NWH would have to be the best rap band out there!
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Rap music doesn't create RACISM. Racism has existed way before rap music started. Very true. If you watch TV and you think all black people run around with grills in their mouth and speak in broken sentences. That means you are racist.
That's true. Racists don't realize that there are good and bad in all types of people. However, shit hop just helps to feed their racism even more by giving them more of what they like to see which is black people in a negative light. Oh and I forget something, white people in the suburbs do buy rap music...
That's true and many of those same white people buying the music are racists themselves. They absolutely love the negative stereotypes. It's entertainment for them. They find it humorous. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Najee said: Don't blame MTV and record labels... there are so many independent record labels out there it's ridiculous.
Black people embraced the likes of NWA, The 2 Live Crew, Scarface, Too $hort etc. White America wanted to kill that sound and fast; now black people are trying to have a selective memory. After WE made that music popular and wide selling then major record companies did turn away people who didn't fit the proven archetype for sales ... but last I checked most of us weren't beating in the doors of more progressive rap prior to that anyway. And then when we did have a "positive" rapper who was arguably the biggest draw in music at the time (Hammer) the black community turned its back on him. And still we want to blame Whitey? That's business. It's not a racial conspiracy. We even did it to ourselves if you check out how LA Reid influenced Outkast's sound on their first album. It's "there is a proven business model that works so let's get a piece of that pie." Most people aren't going to take a chance on Common when they know they can make a gold record if they stick to a certain formula that has proven successful. And that's for rap, rock, country, pop and every other genre. You think "real" country music fans were creaming themselves over Billy Ray Cyrus? Yet and still when independents like No Limit, Cash Money, Slip n Slide etc. FORCED their way onto the scene they chose to rap about the same stuff. There were no MCAs or Capitols holding a contract over their heads. They chose their sound and continued to popularize the image. [Edited 9/8/07 19:22pm] And that's it in a nutshell. We're our own worst enemy. | |
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it is really sad that there are these rappers out there who pretty much are degrading themselves by well i dont really wanna say this but for lack of a better work being sterotypical gangsta bling rappers and wear ridiculous clothes, have half a gold bar smelted into chains and god knows what else and stupid "grills" and the damned video hos too!
Example i saw one of the worst songs ever the other day, i forget the rapper but he was utter crap, the song was "Big things poppin" or something basically u couldnt understand a word he said and was just him wearing all his outrageous get up and hundreds of video hos in bikinis for no good reason. Then a few songs later a Bloc Party song came on, and their frontman is black, but u dont see him going around in all this crazy bling and video hos all over the place...ok they arnt from America where most of this stuff comes from, but even still people over there would b exposed to that kind of culture, but he clearly steers clear from that which is a good thing to see. I dont understand how this bling crap has gotten outta control! dont they realise it looks stupid and is really ridiculous!? Receiving transmission from David Bowie's nipple antenna. Do you read me Lieutenant Bowie, I said do you read me...Lieutenant Bowie | |
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I'm astonished at the ignornace in this thread and the trivialization and misuse of the term "racism". Its the opression of one race of people by another. If you are not in a position of power, you are not capable of racism. You can be capable of bigotry, though.
Some of you need to be re-educated because you sound like children; uneducated children at that. There is institutionalized racism throughout American culture. This is not debatable; its fact. The media plays to stereotypes as well as reinforces them. Rap music does not "create racism"; racism is already here. It has been here since whites bought and captured slaves in Africa, slaughtered the Native peoples and occupied this land and named it America. What some of the pop rap does is reinforce stereotypes. We live in a country where capitalism reigns and people will do anything to get rich; even betray their culture. Ultimately, its the people in power who have to be blamed for the amplification of those said offenders. Lyor Cohen, Jimmy Iovine, The Mays Brothers, Viacom, etc. all have a huge hand in what people see and what their perceptions are. Sensationalism yields them the most capital, so sensationalism is always the route they will take. Negative beats out positive most times because Americans are action junkies by design of our media. In the entertainment industry, black stereotypes are more fascinating to the mainstream crowd so they buy them more. People would rather see Asians doing kung-fu rather than playing the romantic male lead in a movie. They would rather see black folk dancing and singing than educating or being scientists. Who's seen a hispanic play a Donald Trump type big boss in a movie? I don't mean a Latino "passing" but a Danny Trejo looking Mexican? You don't see it. People have media developed stereotypes and the fatc of life in the U.S. is that black individuals are used to represent black culture as a whole whereas whites are never looked upon as representing their entire culture in the media. What we see in pop rap are the opportunists who have decided to sell out their own self image as well as their opportunity to represent in a positive manner for profit. We call it COONING. | |
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THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT RIGHT THERE
Moderators, you may close this thread now. BlaqueKnight said: I'm astonished at the ignornace in this thread and the trivialization and misuse of the term "racism". Its the opression of one race of people by another. If you are not in a position of power, you are not capable of racism. You can be capable of bigotry, though.
Some of you need to be re-educated because you sound like children; uneducated children at that. There is institutionalized racism throughout American culture. This is not debatable; its fact. The media plays to stereotypes as well as reinforces them. Rap music does not "create racism"; racism is already here. It has been here since whites bought and captured slaves in Africa, slaughtered the Native peoples and occupied this land and named it America. What some of the pop rap does is reinforce stereotypes. We live in a country where capitalism reigns and people will do anything to get rich; even betray their culture. Ultimately, its the people in power who have to be blamed for the amplification of those said offenders. Lyor Cohen, Jimmy Iovine, The Mays Brothers, Viacom, etc. all have a huge hand in what people see and what their perceptions are. Sensationalism yields them the most capital, so sensationalism is always the route they will take. Negative beats out positive most times because Americans are action junkies by design of our media. In the entertainment industry, black stereotypes are more fascinating to the mainstream crowd so they buy them more. People would rather see Asians doing kung-fu rather than playing the romantic male lead in a movie. They would rather see black folk dancing and singing than educating or being scientists. Who's seen a hispanic play a Donald Trump type big boss in a movie? I don't mean a Latino "passing" but a Danny Trejo looking Mexican? You don't see it. People have media developed stereotypes and the fatc of life in the U.S. is that black individuals are used to represent black culture as a whole whereas whites are never looked upon as representing their entire culture in the media. What we see in pop rap are the opportunists who have decided to sell out their own self image as well as their opportunity to represent in a positive manner for profit. We call it COONING. | |
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I appreciate alot of your comments but some of you can't read. I didn't say rap created racism. I said rap music creates racism. there is a difference in the two statements. It's obvious that racism was not created by rap music. racism has always been there.
I was referring to Non-black people who do not personally know any black people for whatever reason. I mean just because you don't know any black people doesn't make you a racist. I'm talking about someone who may live in area where there just aren't any black people living in your area. This person who has never had the opportunity to meet and interact with any black people will naturally form biased opinions of all blacks, just by watching these Damn Minstrel shows. I'm Black and I hate these fools in this rap videos! These Fools are setting Blacks back 400 years. Just think if Dr. Martin Luther King lived to today to see this shit on tv. Just think of all the people that marched for civil rights and died for the cause. These civil rights workers fought hard for blacks to achieve things in life. Martin luther king would flip in his grave if he knew how blacks are protrayed on TV. Some people just don't get it. Not everybody grows up with positive role models around them. Some of these poor kids are not raised by both parents. Some of these kids see these ignorant rappers as role models. These rappers make it cool to be ignorant. You can't dress hip hop and expect to get a decent job. You can't talk hip hop ebonics in a job interview and expect to get a job ( pull your pants up). This shit sounds ridiculous, but I interview kids all the time for positions and this is what I see and hear on a daily basis. I grew up listening to 2 live crew and 2 short. the music was dirty, but it didn't promote ignorance like this new rap shit. Their music was just about sex and partying. But I knew the difference between right and wrong. My parents were their for my positive role models. all kids don't have them. Sorry for the rant but this shit pisses me off ( I didn't even have time check my own spelling and grammar) [Edited 9/11/07 12:45pm] [Edited 9/11/07 12:46pm] | |
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Man, please. The rap acts you see today are the descendants of acts like The 2 Live Crew, NWA and Too $hort. If anything, most of today's acts are fairly clean compared to those guys -- not to mention there's a 20-year buffer between Eazy-E and crew (when it was shock, because no one was making music like that) and acts like Soulja Boy (where people today are accustomed to hearing foul language and sexist behavior in rap songs).
Once again, acts like The Notorious B.I.G., 2Pac and Master P. would not have been around (or at least would have been forced to change their approach) had the rap fan base killed that noise in the beginning. You can't have it both ways, and when forced to make a choice the fan base (which was hugely black) chose to go with the gangsta rappers while everyone else had to hit the door. If anyone promoted the negative stereotypes of the black experience, it was black people primarily. If anyone is promoting the negative stereotype of the black experience, it's been us for the past two decades. [Edited 9/11/07 13:18pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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jaimestarr79 said: I'm Black and I hate these fools in this rap videos! These Fools are setting Blacks back 400 years. Just think if Dr. Martin Luther King lived to today to see this shit on tv. Just think of all the people that marched for civil rights and died for the cause. These civil rights workers fought hard for blacks to achieve things in life. Martin luther king would flip in his grave if he knew how blacks are protrayed on TV. [b]They are NOT setting blacks back 400 years! This is EXACTLY what I was talking about. They aren't setting ME back because they don't represent ME, or you for that matter. America has forced this mentality that as individuals we all represent our culture, but this ideology is exclusive to "minorities" in this country. This institutionalized and accepted RACISM is part of why we are where we are today. Its this kind of thinking that we need to undo. Those fools are who they are. They just happen to be black. Until we are judged as individuals, we will always be considered second class citizens and not truly free. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: I'm astonished at the ignornace in this thread and the trivialization and misuse of the term "racism". Its the opression of one race of people by another. If you are not in a position of power, you are not capable of racism. You can be capable of bigotry, though.
Some of you need to be re-educated because you sound like children; uneducated children at that. There is institutionalized racism throughout American culture. This is not debatable; its fact. The media plays to stereotypes as well as reinforces them. Rap music does not "create racism"; racism is already here. It has been here since whites bought and captured slaves in Africa, slaughtered the Native peoples and occupied this land and named it America. What some of the pop rap does is reinforce stereotypes. We live in a country where capitalism reigns and people will do anything to get rich; even betray their culture. Ultimately, its the people in power who have to be blamed for the amplification of those said offenders. Lyor Cohen, Jimmy Iovine, The Mays Brothers, Viacom, etc. all have a huge hand in what people see and what their perceptions are. Sensationalism yields them the most capital, so sensationalism is always the route they will take. Negative beats out positive most times because Americans are action junkies by design of our media. In the entertainment industry, black stereotypes are more fascinating to the mainstream crowd so they buy them more. People would rather see Asians doing kung-fu rather than playing the romantic male lead in a movie. They would rather see black folk dancing and singing than educating or being scientists. Who's seen a hispanic play a Donald Trump type big boss in a movie? I don't mean a Latino "passing" but a Danny Trejo looking Mexican? You don't see it. People have media developed stereotypes and the fatc of life in the U.S. is that black individuals are used to represent black culture as a whole whereas whites are never looked upon as representing their entire culture in the media. What we see in pop rap are the opportunists who have decided to sell out their own self image as well as their opportunity to represent in a positive manner for profit. We call it COONING. AMEN! | |
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Najee said: Man, please. The rap acts you see today are the descendants of acts like The 2 Live Crew, NWA and Too $hort. If anything, most of today's acts are fairly clean compared to those guys -- not to mention there's a 20-year buffer between Eazy-E and crew (when it was shock, because no one was making music like that) and acts like Soulja Boy (where people today are accustomed to hearing foul language and sexist behavior in rap songs).
Once again, acts like The Notorious B.I.G., 2Pac and Master P. would not have been around (or at least would have been forced to change their approach) had the rap fan base killed that noise in the beginning. You can't have it both ways, and when forced to make a choice the fan base (which was hugely black) chose to go with the gangsta rappers while everyone else had to hit the door. If anyone promoted the negative stereotypes of the black experience, it was black people primarily. If anyone is promoting the negative stereotype of the black experience, it's been us for the past two decades. [Edited 9/11/07 13:18pm] Are you kidding?!? Just a few years ago (within the 2000's, mind you), Eminem was cracking a sick joke about wanting to rape AND kill his own mother in the song Kill You. I'm sorry, but I don't recall NWA, Eazy-E, or even The Geto Boyz taking free speech to these extremes.  | |
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TonyVanDam said: Are you kidding?!? Just a few years ago (within the 2000's, mind you), Eminem was cracking a sick joke about wanting to rape AND kill his own mother in the song Kill You.
I'm sorry, but I don't recall NWA, Eazy-E, or even The Geto Boyz taking free speech to these extremes. Please! The Geto Boys were making songs about raping and killing women YEARS before Eminem came on the scene. NWA (of which Dr. Dre, Eminem's producer, was a member) talked about all kinds of profane and explicit things in the late 80s and 1990. By the time Eminem came around, people already were desensitized to the stuff those acts said when Mr. Mathers was in grade school. And notice what I said and you highlighted: "Most of today's acts are fairly clean compared to those guys." [Edited 9/11/07 22:46pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Just a few years ago (within the 2000's, mind you), Eminem was cracking a sick joke about wanting to rape AND kill his own mother in the song Kill You. That little piece of stale candy will say anything to get attention. I'd like to see him fall into so many other rappers shoes and go to jail. He would be a jailhouse favorite with that bleach blonde hair of his. He'd get so much dick, he'd be able to live up to his slogan....."melts in your mouth, not in your hand". Andy is a four letter word. | |
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jaimestarr79 said: I'm Black and I hate these fools in this rap videos! These Fools are setting Blacks back 400 years. Just think if Dr. Martin Luther King lived to today to see this shit on tv. Just think of all the people that marched for civil rights and died for the cause. These civil rights workers fought hard for blacks to achieve things in life. Martin luther king would flip in his grave if he knew how blacks are protrayed on TV.Some people just don't get it. Not everybody grows up with positive role models around them. Some of these poor kids are not raised by both parents. Some of these kids see these ignorant rappers as role models. These rappers make it cool to be ignorant.You can't dress hip hop and expect to get a decent job. You can't talk hip hop ebonics in a job interview and expect to get a job ( pull your pants up). This shit sounds ridiculous, but I interview kids all the time for positions and this is what I see and hear on a daily basis.
I agree!  This hip-hop culture has gotten out of control.My blood boils whenever one of these rappers tries to justify their actions by saying they're "keeping it real".They truly don't see anything wrong with what they do.They don't even care how many young children are influenced by what they do.They take no responsibility...it's just "entertainment",another way to make a buck Martin Luther King would roll over in his grave if he saw what's going on today. | |
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MikeMatronik said: The solution:
BUY ROBYN's ALBUM! 
Now this is real music Wow!I was wondering whatever happened to her. | |
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Najee said: TonyVanDam said: Are you kidding?!? Just a few years ago (within the 2000's, mind you), Eminem was cracking a sick joke about wanting to rape AND kill his own mother in the song Kill You.
I'm sorry, but I don't recall NWA, Eazy-E, or even The Geto Boyz taking free speech to these extremes. Please! The Geto Boys were making songs about raping and killing women YEARS before Eminem came on the scene. NWA (of which Dr. Dre, Eminem's producer, was a member) talked about all kinds of profane and explicit things in the late 80s and 1990. By the time Eminem came around, people already were desensitized to the stuff those acts said when Mr. Mathers was in grade school. And notice what I said and you highlighted: "Most of today's acts are fairly clean compared to those guys." [Edited 9/11/07 22:46pm] The Geto Boyz has co-written rap songs about raping and killing women (mostly Bushwick Bill's doings!). Hell, even Willie D has written a lot of rap songs that totally disrespect women ON PURPOSE (Read: I'm not a muthaf***ing gentlemen). But The Geto Boyz has never, ever written a song about raping or killing their mothers like Eminem has. That's my point. | |
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vainandy said: TonyVanDam said:
Just a few years ago (within the 2000's, mind you), Eminem was cracking a sick joke about wanting to rape AND kill his own mother in the song Kill You. That little piece of stale candy will say anything to get attention. I'd like to see him fall into so many other rappers shoes and go to jail. He would be a jailhouse favorite with that bleach blonde hair of his. He'd get so much dick, he'd be able to live up to his slogan....."melts in your mouth, not in your hand". Boy George is still convince that the real reason why Eminem was writing songs with homophobic remarks is because Eminem might be gay himself (Read: keeping it on the DL). | |
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jaimestarr79 said: I appreciate alot of your comments but some of you can't read. I didn't say rap created racism. I said rap music creates racism. there is a difference in the two statements. It's obvious that racism was not created by rap music. racism has always been there.
I was referring to Non-black people who do not personally know any black people for whatever reason. I mean just because you don't know any black people doesn't make you a racist. I'm talking about someone who may live in area where there just aren't any black people living in your area. This person who has never had the opportunity to meet and interact with any black people will naturally form biased opinions of all blacks, just by watching these Damn Minstrel shows. I'm Black and I hate these fools in this rap videos! These Fools are setting Blacks back 400 years. Just think if Dr. Martin Luther King lived to today to see this shit on tv. Just think of all the people that marched for civil rights and died for the cause. These civil rights workers fought hard for blacks to achieve things in life. Martin luther king would flip in his grave if he knew how blacks are protrayed on TV. Some people just don't get it. Not everybody grows up with positive role models around them. Some of these poor kids are not raised by both parents. Some of these kids see these ignorant rappers as role models. These rappers make it cool to be ignorant. You can't dress hip hop and expect to get a decent job. You can't talk hip hop ebonics in a job interview and expect to get a job ( pull your pants up). This shit sounds ridiculous, but I interview kids all the time for positions and this is what I see and hear on a daily basis. I grew up listening to 2 live crew and 2 short. the music was dirty, but it didn't promote ignorance like this new rap shit. Their music was just about sex and partying. But I knew the difference between right and wrong. My parents were their for my positive role models. all kids don't have them. Sorry for the rant but this shit pisses me off ( I didn't even have time check my own spelling and grammar) [Edited 9/11/07 12:45pm] [Edited 9/11/07 12:46pm] You are not black... | |
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vainandy said: TonyVanDam said:
Just a few years ago (within the 2000's, mind you), Eminem was cracking a sick joke about wanting to rape AND kill his own mother in the song Kill You. That little piece of stale candy will say anything to get attention. I'd like to see him fall into so many other rappers shoes and go to jail. He would be a jailhouse favorite with that bleach blonde hair of his. He'd get so much dick, he'd be able to live up to his slogan....."melts in your mouth, not in your hand".  | |
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TonyVanDam said: The Geto Boyz has co-written rap songs about raping and killing women (mostly Bushwick Bill's doings!). Hell, even Willie D has written a lot of rap songs that totally disrespect women ON PURPOSE (Read: I'm not a muthaf***ing gentlemen).
But The Geto Boyz has never, ever written a song about raping or killing their mothers like Eminem has. That's my point. The parts you seem to be missing is: 1.) Eminem merely took the same shock-value comments those acts made years before and gave it a new twist (i.e. it's original); 2.) the content is only made "shocking" because people are fairly desensitized by now to what NWA, Too $hort and The Geto Boys did years ago; 3.) the brainchild behind Eminem is a person (Dr. Dre) who was arguably the main reason for this movement in the first place. [Edited 9/13/07 6:50am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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TonyVanDam said: Najee said: Please! The Geto Boys were making songs about raping and killing women YEARS before Eminem came on the scene. NWA (of which Dr. Dre, Eminem's producer, was a member) talked about all kinds of profane and explicit things in the late 80s and 1990. By the time Eminem came around, people already were desensitized to the stuff those acts said when Mr. Mathers was in grade school. And notice what I said and you highlighted: "Most of today's acts are fairly clean compared to those guys." [Edited 9/11/07 22:46pm] The Geto Boyz has co-written rap songs about raping and killing women (mostly Bushwick Bill's doings!). Hell, even Willie D has written a lot of rap songs that totally disrespect women ON PURPOSE (Read: I'm not a muthaf***ing gentlemen). But The Geto Boyz has never, ever written a song about raping or killing their mothers like Eminem has. That's my point. What's the difference? Murder is still murder and rape is still rape. Who you kill or rape doesn't make it any worse or more acceptable. | |
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jaimestarr79 said: When you see these terrible negative images of black people, you can understand why some people are racist. It's not right to be racist, but if those are the only images you see of black people, then one may form irrational opinions about a large group of individuals. It's already difficult to be black and to be judged as an individual. Not all black people listen to rap music and not all black people act like that, but you wouldn't know it watching tv. People often try to group all of us together.
I'm a latino kid from in the projects. On the NYC subway the other day, one african-american kid comes on there, dressed in an I love NY t-shirt and baggy pants, baseball cap tilted to the side. He reaches into his pocket and pulls out... ...a bible. He starts quietly reading the Bible on the train. Next stop, 18 year old african-american female comes on board. She has a similar I love NY t-shirt, super-tight jeans with hoop earrings. She reaches into her bag and starts reading Plato's Republic! I'm thinking...who the hell is buying the modern Stepin Fetchit routines that passes for rap music these days? Not one of these modern "stars" could hold a candle to Chuck D or even KRS-one. Mos Def is on Broadway and the movies. De la soul is de la gone. Will Smith (don't laugh ) is an Oscar-nominated superstar. Salt-and-Pepa have been shaken and stirred. Slick Rick is...deported? LL has been acting on television and movies for years. All the alternative voices to the dreck are gone. You pick up a copy of Vibe or XXL or the Source or Feds or whatever the magazine is, and all you see on the cover are images of young black teenage men, heavily tatooed, gold tooth having sociopaths or bikini-clad babes barely able to keep their clothes on. I'm not a prude, but this sends a definite message to young people that THESE are our heroes. This is who we should be. These are the people to emulate. If Martin or Malcolm could see us now...  
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Shapeshifter said: Harlepolis said: Anything that supports buffoonary and coonary has been and still is being praised. Back in the day, there was Bojangles, Amos & Andy and the cotton club honys known as the "Tall, Tan & Terrific". Now you got Flava Flav, Ying Yang and the modern day Aunt Jemima AKA Monique and the honeys of 'I Love NY'/'Charm School'.
Here's the flip side though. Anything that supports black pride gets deemed as "racist" and "reclusive", anybody who represented black pride are shrewdly written off mainstream history, or get accused of being terrorists & bullies(Like Malcolm X, Huey P. Newton, Dr.Khalid Mohammed and the whole black panther movement). I cannot even throw the whole blame on white people,,,,it seems that some of my beloved people are eating up ALL that bullshit with a guilt-free attitude, and when you confront them about it then "its not THAT deep!" untill the time comes when it will be deep,,,,up in their CHILDREN's asses when they grow up 
I don't blame rap music,,,I blame those who promote it. True. I find it deeply sad and ironic that Flava Flav, a member of one of the most positive, articulate and influential rap groups - Public Enemy - should have turned into a minstrel act. I know he was always their jester, undercutting Chuck D's earnestness with absurdist humour, but he's taken it to a really tragic depth. He's really shat all over their legacy. How long before they get promoted as Flava Flav & Public Enemy. God...it would be laughable if not so true. These days, when almost any absurd thing goes, (let me not start with the geniuses in our government), anything is possible. Flava Flav is better known than Public Enemy. I asked a teen rap fan about PE. He said "Chuck WHO?"
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