Lothan said:

true.

Hey theres nothing wrong with Jerry Springer!! Ok sometimes the show topics are very out there, but in the end he attempts to get these people back on the right track and tells them very bluntly that they are clearly in the wrong and they NEED to do something to fix it.....whether they bother listening to him is another story but you cant say he didnt try

But on rap music, yeah there really isnt a positive message in most, im sure there must be someone out there who is trying to preach the right message, whether or not the mainstream is ready for someone to tell the truth and not hate is a whole different story unfortunately

It just seems all about the money to these people now days...i remember seeing some bullshit "World's Richest People" show or something along the lines of that and one of them (which didnt suprise me) was a random black "rapper" who had pretty much sold out as much as he could, eg he has his own clothing line, movie studio and god knows what else and even said at some point he did it all for the money.....how these people get record deals in the 1st place is amazing...but then again all record labels just want money anyway so thats no suprise really

kcwm said:

Everybody does what they do for money. We all sell our souls a little bit to make a buck. If you ask the regular joe if he could make millions to act an ass, he'd jump on it.

Well I think shows like The Hills and Surreal Life make white people look stupid too.



KILL YOUR TELEVISION

I disagree, there are plenty of musicians out there who have not sold out and would rather kill themselves then to sell out like its seen in the rap industry, which is all it seems to be about. I know a lot of you guys wont know this guy but even tho i really dislike him Ben Lee is one of them, he made an album or two with a proper label and realized they were screwing him over badly, so he went out and did something about it by starting his own independant label.

Cinnie said:

I don't look at those shows and make generalizations about all white people. People who stereotype can kiss my ass.

jaimestarr79 said:

i hope you figure these things out at some point.

Better yet, i hope we all figure these things out at some point in our journey.

lilgish said:

co-co.

White people are the ones that turned hip hop into shit hop. Rap was actually funky before white kids got into it.

I first started noticing teenage white boys getting into it in the late 80s. I never saw them get into the rap groups that could jam though, it was always the ones that were slower, the music was more stripped down, and the rap acts were usually plain looking or ghetto looking. It was also usually acts that were more negative than the other rap acts. Black radio stations weren't even playing the slow dull shit back then, they were strictly playing the acts that could jam such as Egyptian Lover, LA Dream Team, or Freestyle. The slow stripped down shit was strictly underground until the white kids got into it. I used to hear the white boys that listened to it actually making racist remarks while they listened to it. A white person can listen to black artists and still be racist. Racists love anything that makes black people look like a fool.

Of course, when white men running record labels saw they could make a bigger profit than ever before because the shit is so cheap to make, they promoted the hell out of it and kept everything else out that could possibly threaten it. Add major corporations that run a monopoly on radio stations into the mix and that just made it even worse.

You better believe that the old white buzzards running the record labels and making the money off it are laughing their asses off. They love those negative images and they really love to hear the brainwashed idiot rappers make remarks like "keep it real" and they love to see them go back into the ghetto even after they are famous and stir up shit. As long as they keep it real in the ghetto, there's never a chance they move next door to them or date their daughter.

Wake up dumbasses.

I can't stand those fucking BET comedians that are always comparing black people to white people. They also act like all white people that date black people are stupid and easy to take advantage of. I wish a motherfucker would even try to take advantage of me. I'd cut his dick off and wear it dangling from my earring.

vainandy said:

dingaling...

paisleypark4 said:

Yep...I am tired of these rap music threads...dull threads...just like the genre. It's still a crime to call it music.

jaimestarr79 said:

These thugged out rappers are reinforcing negative stereotypes about black people and I don't like it.They go on the awards shows,acting like lunatics in a minstrel show.It's really sad.

RAP music is awesome!

jaimestarr79 said:

Rap music doesn't create RACISM. Racism has existed way before rap music started.

If you watch TV and you think all black people run around with grills in their mouth and speak in broken sentences. That means you are racist.

Oh and I forget something, white people in the suburbs do buy rap music...

Harlepolis said:

Including the artist (I would hope).

jaimestarr79 said:

Don't let your good, valid points be overshadowed by unnecessary sentimentalism, "Black" and "white" people created this "conspiracy" together for the sakes of money. You can't victimize a whole race and blame the other when so obviously everyone has been looking in the other direction despite obvious ethical shortcomings for the sakes of making as much profit as possible. That group most likely includes also a big bunch of Japanese businessmen as well, just for example. But you're on the right tracks of course, it's just that responsibility in itself doesn't recognize colour.

And mind you, this touches also the black population in Europe as well. The same imagery is sold to them as well (as well as the indigenous European youth as well), and from my own experience I can verify that indeed it creates racism over here as well. It's a different matter altogether whether merely laughing at people who are willingly making themselves laughable in front of other people is a form of racism or not.

I feel myself debted at the great tradition of all the various different forms of African-American music (including ELECTRONIC music, and forms of improvisational avant-garde) to the degree that I would never equate a youth culture movement, or brand, such as "hiphop" to define a very important and rich cultural heritage on the whole. That does not mean that hiphop music could be dismissed completely either, and Flavor Flav has actually been a part of a group whose importance for music I don't think anyone can deny.

I will say that if someon is racist then thats what they have in their heart.. and music is NOT going to create that prejudice in someone....

second... rap music during the late 90's i think 1997 to 2001 was pretty good.. thats when i listened to it... I remember as a kid in middle school it was that popular like it is now...

rap music today stinks... everytime i happen to catch a new song... it stinks so bad... and the sad thing is the music i love so much which is dance/pop.. is even being made anymore... what happen to the boy bands, to the britney spears, 3lw's, just the fun pop songs.... now everyone wants to be hip-hop.. even the pop music has hip-hop elements... rap has taken over...

that makes me want to just create my own music...

Empress said:

The artist don't have the same power and influence as the middle man, as much as people would like to believe so.

Many sincere artists were exploited over the past decades by their "bosses" for the sake of giving the people what they 'supposedly' want.

No, I still blame those who calculated ALL this madness.

Harlepolis said:

True.

I find it deeply sad and ironic that Flava Flav, a member of one of the most positive, articulate and influential rap groups - Public Enemy - should have turned into a minstrel act. I know he was always their jester, undercutting Chuck D's earnestness with absurdist humour, but he's taken it to a really tragic depth. He's really shat all over their legacy. How long before they get promoted as Flava Flav & Public Enemy.

TotalAlisa said:[quote]second... rap music during the late 90's i think 1997 to 2001 was pretty good.. quote]
NO IT WASN'T!!!!!

Rap in '97-2001 was terrible! That was the "shiny suit" era

Harlepolis said:

thanks for your feedback. I think everyone plays a role. Look at the recent bullshit between 50 and Kanye.

Empress said:

True,,,,they let themselves be exploited but its STILL their bosses' doing. A hype makes a huge increase to the sales,,,,clearly NOT their doings.

Cinnie said:

I think a reality show like Big Brother (especially the UK version) makes people of all skin-colors look like a bunch of idiots.

vainandy said:

I knew some white kids that were just as much into these albums as the black kids back in the days:

Seems to me, anger sells. And making that "dollar" is priority number one. I guess it all goes to who's the most angry, and all too happy to sell it for that "dollar". JMO

"Self destruction, your headed for self destruction" didn't anybody learn from this song from the late 80's. Rap is going to self destruct in 20 seconds! Rap can only down hill from here. Will there ever be a postive movement in rap. I thought when biggie and tupac got shot that this was going to be the turning point. I guess it was, the turning point downward! We need a Rap Revival. We need to hear from digable planets, tribe, big daddy kane, heavy D, and the like. Fuck this southern, no sense making, bullshit music!

* Damn, With that all said I feel better now!

Harlepolis said:

I agree with you Harlepolis!!