DarlingDiana said:

I think it¨s just his perfectionism. He is a perfectionist and has always claimed to be one. He even said that it´s that perfectionism that delays his work. He said that while working on Invincible, he had over 100 songs to choose from and that it usually takes this amount before he comes up with 10 songs that he likes.

dag said:

I think during the recording of Invincible, Michael Jackson was out of it.

But you are right. He is a perfectionist. Every Michael Jackson album has something that I love.

dag said:

I don't think he is a perfectionist, I think he has become very contrieved that's why he takes so long. I bet he sits down and says to himself;"that sounds too Black, mustn't sound too black"
or" they ain't enough pop/rock songs on here"
"I must try and cater for everyone"

So are you trying to say he wasn't being a perfectionist when he did Destiny in 1978, Off The Wall in 1979, Triumph 1980 and Thriller 1982. Four classic albums, although two of them with his brothers, within a space of four years. Now he can barely master a classic within a space of 10 years.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the appeal of will.i.am at all.

His music with the BEP's is horrible. His lyrics are sexist and childish. Maybe he would make better music on his own, but I haven't like one song I've ever heard him on.

whatsgoingon said:

While I disagree with what you have written (I do not want to get into another argument with you), I wish Michael Jackson would release unreleased tracks, b-sides, demos, and unfinished tracks from the '60s to '00s. There is, from what I have read, quite a lot of material that a number of people have not heard.

Rodya24 said:

I remember after I heard that Invincible was better but he kept working on it until it was overproduced and saturated. I wanted to go to Neverland and whup his ass

Empress said:

He's the kinda producer who can adapt. Before Fergie, The Black Eyed Peas were BETTER. He's produced some good stuff such as the songs on Common's new album and such

bboy87 said:

thanks - I didn't know he's produced some stuff for Common. I only know that I can't stand anything from the BEP's.

I'm glad to hear some update at last, even though I'm not too crazy about him working with will.i.am. But hey, if it's dancy and melodic r&b stuff that gets people dancing and singing along, who am I to complain? I really hope the album comes out soon, I'm tired of waiting. Spring 2008 sounds good to me.

I predict the album to come out in September 2008.

YAY TEDDY RILEY!

bboy87 said:

Word? Well in that case I would of gotten Bubbles n'em and smack his skinny self too!!

I personally dont' want to read about his new music... i want to HEAR samples

March 08?
thats it
I'm gonna go right down and say it...

Prince won...
Mike could shove his big KOP crown and statue up his ass...
Cause its obvious he aint as bad as he dreamed up in his little head.
Planet Earth may be shite, least the man is releasing and still performing
HIs Royal Badness 31 MJ 21

EmbattledWarrior said:

I had no idea Michael Jackson and Prince were in a competition against each other. "Start... Run...! Who will win the race? Who the fuck cares?"

EmbattledWarrior said:

You HONESTLY thought the album was gonna be done now? We're talking about Michael Joe Jackson

It would be so funny if his cd flops just like Janet's

fantasticjoy said:

A number of people label Invincible as his flop album.

To be honest, I do not care if his new album -- if it ever comes out -- sells one or ten million. As long as it is good, I will be satisfied.

Rodya24 said:

did you know invincible sold 10 million world wide... so NO it was not a flop...maybe in the US>.. but in the US.. people really don't like the jacksons

ive been a hardcore fan for years.. but i honestly dont think we will see a new album... there's been zero build up.. and usually the build up starts years before the release.. noones seen or heard from mike in months and no work has been done in any major studios, it would have been leaked if he was recording.

he doesnt have a record deal... hell he doesnt even have a website..

even if he started recording now at a rapid pace it will still be years before we hear anything.

I dont know why Michael Jackson fans think he ALWAYS takes forever to make albums... He did HIStory in 5 months and Thriller in 2 months. What it is, is he takes FOREVER to release albums.
[Edited 8/31/07 11:30am]

whatsgoingon said:

Of course he was a perfectionist back then, but like you said, 2 of the albums were with his brothers, so he wasn't fully in charge of the albums and his brothers most likely kicked him in the butt to not delay things! With "Off the wall" he was an artist among many, the same with "Thriller", he had deadlines and couldn't take forever to record his albums, even though he threw out the first mix of "Thriller", because he hated it, shortly before release and started all over again!

After "Thriller" he was a megastar who had to compete with the biggest selling album of all time! But with "Bad" there was still Quincy, who kept him focused and working on the album, but from "Dangerous" on Michael called all shots! He was the executive producer and no one was around to tell him to hurry up.... and of course, with every album the pressure mounts and it's probably less fun to do than the albums pre Thriller! Because whatever he does, he can't win in many people's eyes anyway!

Michael's desire was always to come up with albums that are loved by everyone and not only one demographic!

And what people also always tend to overlook, since '97 music clearly is not his number 1 priority anymore! He is a singleraising father of three! And even after the release of HIStory he said, that he is not positive that he will release another album!
[Edited 8/31/07 11:49am]

EVERYONE: Stop expecting another album from Michael Jackson ANYTIME SOON. If it is released, it will be out NOT THIS YEAR OR EARLY NEXT YEAR. Think around late 2008...

Until then, keep on petitioning Michael Jackson to release the Destiny, Triumph, Victory, and Bad Tours on DVD, as well as unreleased and unfinished tracks, b-sides, and demos.

FunkyBrotha said:

i cant remember a time where people knew mj was recording in what studio and mj always kept things quiet.
only time we heard michael talk about it was at the wma,s when he spoke to bbc and he said he was writing him selve wich is good too me.

Rodya24 said:

He's obviously in a competion with everyone froom the 80's if he was afraid of madonnas release
i don't make things up
i call them how i sees them
And madonna and her swill might be better than Mj's swill

PatrickS77 said:

And that's how he started to mess up badly. I am not saying that from the beginning he wanted to only appeal to one type of audience, but if you get into the habit of trying to make music to appeal to everyone so you can maximize your sales, you are going to compromise yourself. Albums like Dangerous and History are not albums of perfection but albums that spell contrieved all over them.

FunkyBrotha said:

Alot of people are just not interested.

fantasticjoy said:

You make your appearance once again in a Michael Jackson thread.

True. A number of people could care less what Micheal Jackson does. But I doubt a lot of people would agree with your opinion that his singing is no better than Latoya's.

You and musicismydurg should get together sometimes. Your posts and his Mariah and Madonna threads keep me rolling on the floor.

DarlingDiana said:

The only hope for Janet is that MTV decides to not blacklist her anymore along with the FCC from radio airplay. THATS why she isn't selling much anymore. Because if I do remember correctly, Janet was by far surpassing Michael's 'Invincible' with 'All For You'.

fantasticjoy said:

Like I keep mentioning before, MJ is not being ban listed from his major market (Pop music) like Janet's, and thats why she's suffering. Not just be mediocre music. I thought All For You was bland, and that was her most successful album to date. Had the Superbowl fiasco not happened, Damita Jo would of done just as well. Funny, because Damita Jo is a way better album than AFY.

whatsgoingon said:

Well, that's your opionion! I think Dangerous and HIStory are two all around great albums, more daring than Thriller! With songs where everyone can find something they like!

And I think the sales argument is just the sideeffect of wanting to please everyone! Michael comes from a different background. His goal is not to release as much music as possible, he could do that, if he wanted, his goal is to bring the best possible joy and entertainment to the world! The more people who enjoy his music, the better! There is nothing wrong with that... it's just a different approach to things!