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PrintableYeah lets remember that back in that time there were alot of people not getting credit on records for anything they did. Clivilles + Cole were the masterminds around all of this "get a model" use someone else to sing time period. This is why you lost alot of great POP acts like the Cover Girls and Expose and Lisa Lisa cause everyone thought everyone was a FAKE at this point so everyone went down the drain. So i wouldnt be surprised if this was Mariah, Mariah has always said that she has demos "the woodshop" demos that have never been heard and they were her best work then. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: Yeah lets remember that back in that time there were alot of people not getting credit on records for anything they did. Clivilles + Cole were the masterminds around all of this "get a model" use someone else to sing time period. This is why you lost alot of great POP acts like the Cover Girls and Expose and Lisa Lisa cause everyone thought everyone was a FAKE at this point so everyone went down the drain. So i wouldnt be surprised if this was Mariah, Mariah has always said that she has demos "the woodshop" demos that have never been heard and they were her best work then.
Think about it a moment... What you're suggesting is the opposite of the Black Box situation. Don't you think -- if Soul II Soul had as aesthetically marketable a singer as Mariah -- they'd have thrown her in every video possible? That's been part of her success in her solo career, to be sure: She sings like that while looking like that, too. | |
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Najee said: twink69 said: Sony I wouldnt be suprised may not have wanted her associated with an urban/dance act like SoulIISoul anyway if it was her, "Vision of Love" been enginered as her #1 debut was probably more imporatnt to them. Sony was notorious for glossing over her history to fit their marketing.
I know this is your speculation, but I put it in boldface because Mariah Carey ALWAYS has been marketed to the soul music audience -- the same audience that bought Soul II Soul's music. Whenever Carey has had an uptempo song released, it's mostly remixed with a style that appeals to the soul/music scene. Again, I'm not quite following the logic here. Mariah is a soulful singer and writer regardless how her label wanted to promote her or water down her production to sell at wallmart. | |
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Calligraphy said: lastdecember said: Yeah lets remember that back in that time there were alot of people not getting credit on records for anything they did. Clivilles + Cole were the masterminds around all of this "get a model" use someone else to sing time period. This is why you lost alot of great POP acts like the Cover Girls and Expose and Lisa Lisa cause everyone thought everyone was a FAKE at this point so everyone went down the drain. So i wouldnt be surprised if this was Mariah, Mariah has always said that she has demos "the woodshop" demos that have never been heard and they were her best work then.
Think about it a moment... What you're suggesting is the opposite of the Black Box situation. Don't you think -- if Soul II Soul had as aesthetically marketable a singer as Mariah -- they'd have thrown her in every video possible? That's been part of her success in her solo career, to be sure: She sings like that while looking like that, too. True but early on with Mariah she was never allowed to dress or even sound how she really wanted to sound, so i just think that Soul II Soul and Black Box all of that was coming from a place and throwing someone like Mariah in the middle of it, regardless or her looks, Mariah was this skinny little nothing teenager at the time, they already had their idea in place. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: Calligraphy said: Think about it a moment... What you're suggesting is the opposite of the Black Box situation. Don't you think -- if Soul II Soul had as aesthetically marketable a singer as Mariah -- they'd have thrown her in every video possible? That's been part of her success in her solo career, to be sure: She sings like that while looking like that, too. True but early on with Mariah she was never allowed to dress or even sound how she really wanted to sound, so i just think that Soul II Soul and Black Box all of that was coming from a place and throwing someone like Mariah in the middle of it, regardless or her looks, Mariah was this skinny little nothing teenager at the time, they already had their idea in place. That still doesn't hold water for me, given how she looked (even back then) and how image consultants transform people into stage sirens every day. It just doesn't make sense. | |
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Calligraphy said: Don't you think -- if Soul II Soul had as aesthetically marketable a singer as Mariah -- they'd have thrown her in every video possible? That's been part of her success in her solo career, to be sure: She sings like that while looking like that, too. If it is her, the added vocals would have been done after the band did the album (SoulIISoul may not have even seen her, esp if she did it from New York) Mariah had a some what smimilar problem, she just didnt look what people at the time would accept as "urban or black music artist" she has said so many labels said "white girl trying to sound black" and Mariah around late 80's was not as a cool looking as Caron Wheller, they werent going to drop her also talented and fine ass from the band for some girl who *possibly* re sung some vocal parts. Mariah and Caron Wheller late 80's early 90's. who looks more like the face of "SoulIISoul" and what they were trying to do for black british music and what they represented?? yeah, I dont think early 90's Mariah is what they wanted as the face of black british soul?? 
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Believe me -- I'm not saying Caron Wheeler is anything but beautiful.  I'm talking about the way the machine works (especially how it worked in the case of Black Box & Music Factory).
But, M's vox would have been added to SIIS's already-recorded album, after the fact and it would have been a sonic addition instead of a visual/conceptual one... 
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I'm not buying it either. I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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twink69 said:[quote] sosgemini said: Harlepolis said: They had no connection to the states prior to their debut and the way jazzy b made it sound he assembled a collective, link-minded group of folks from the London club scene. How in the world would Carey get caught up in that mix? Additionally, they credit their backing vocalist. Why not Carey? cha know? SoulIISoul prior to these records were not high profile/well known producers, is it far fetched that after Caron recorded the album they sourced some unknown vocals from the New York dance music scence (she was already doing this as was Melonie Daniel's who it could be) I doubt they had dealings with her directly or she had any creative input apart from vocals but someone or studio she was working for and if its true I'm sure its not a fact Jazzie B would like to empahsise. especially if that unknown vocalist ended up on the radio herself a year later. it just doesn't make since...there were quit a few featured vocalist on that album and they all got credit. furthermore, jazzie b and howie b were well known dj entities...why in the world would they record an album in london and then let the label record separate vocals in NY and add them and not then credit Carey? The whole point of SIIS was to bring a voice to underground club singers...Based on your theory Carey would have fit perfectly in that mold.. and by the way, jazzie b and howie b had creative control over SIIS. it was a london based movement...so why throw in one vocalist from NY when they had access to a bevy of female singers (and used them). just doesn't hold up... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: twink69 said: SoulIISoul prior to these records were not high profile/well known producers, is it far fetched that after Caron recorded the album they sourced some unknown vocals from the New York dance music scence (she was already doing this as was Melonie Daniel's who it could be) I doubt they had dealings with her directly or she had any creative input apart from vocals but someone or studio she was working for and if its true I'm sure its not a fact Jazzie B would like to empahsise. especially if that unknown vocalist ended up on the radio herself a year later. it just doesn't make since...there were quit a few featured vocalist on that album and they all got credit. furthermore, jazzie b and howie b were well known dj entities...why in the world would they record an album in london and then let the label record separate vocals in NY and add them and not then credit Carey? The whole point of SIIS was to bring a voice to underground club singers...Based on your theory Carey would have fit perfectly in that mold.. and by the way, jazzie b and howie b had creative control over SIIS. it was a london based movement...so why throw in one vocalist from NY when they had access to a bevy of female singers (and used them). just doesn't hold up... sounds like BS to me..... | |
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