lets face it folks the "prime" years are long behind them, but the try to stay relavent...so they hook up with the "in" people now.

For MJ looking to will i am to get him back to the promise land...sorry but i see train wreck all over it!!!

Madonna hooking up with JT and "Tims"..sorry but i dont see a 50 yr old lady trying to be hip...doesn't work.....

I wish MJ was desperate or hungry, but he's not.

neither...CELINE DIONE!!

Well, Madonna is still reaching number one all over the world, selling out concerts everyewhere.

MJ could only dream of her success now.

Out of the big 80s 4, MJ, Prince, Madonna and Bruce. Madonna won,

The others did their own thing, but she was the only one to remain on top for 20 years.

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Has to be Michael since he hasn't had a decent one since 83

SquirrelMeat said:

I strongly disagree with you...

MJ has always been more popular than Madonna around the world.

If MJ had managed his career and his life lik Madonna, he would outsell her easily.

Madonna in US is definitely behind the Usher, Timberlake, Beyonce, Fergie in USA.

But from viewing Madonna's collaborations, I'll say her. She hasn't had an American hit as big as "Music" (2001) and "Hung Up" (2005) only got by through downloads, I think.

SquirrelMeat said:

Funniest thing I've heard all day. MJ's last album (Invincible) still sold more in the U.S. than "Confessions" did and sold about the same as she did worlwide based only one single. Also his greatest hits album sold 7.5 million world wide and that was released after the trial. I'd say MJ still does pretty good in the sales department considering what a shitty image he has. Overall though, both MJ & Madonna have big fan bases esp. outside of America and Madonna are pretty much equal in the sales department these days.

...But I love how Madonna fans go on about her longevity in the business and tend to forget that Michael Jackson has been in the entertainment business since he was a child. He's been famous a lot longer than Madonna has so I really don't know what you're talking about.
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krayzie said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I agree with this.Madonna has handled her career better than anybody else in pop music.

Cinnamon234 said:

Record sales tell only part of the story.Sure,Michael might sell more records than she does but honestly,she is in a much better position than he is.She hasn't self-destructed.She continues to tour and record albums.To me,these things are more important than record sales.

SoulAlive said:

Yes, MJ is a joke now and has been for awhile, sad to say. I like everything other than Invincible, but his career is in bad shape. Outside of his fanbase, nobody takes him seriously and few respect him.

Moonbeam said:

Exactly.

MJ doesn't seem desperate for a hit. Ofcourse he would like to have more hits, but he's not desperate in the way Madonna is. "Candy Shop" and "La La"? Come on. Even on Invincible, with flavour-of-the-month producers and dated beats he still had decent and respectable lyrics and melodies. He didn't slut it up and dumb it down like Madonna is doing. He is 100x the artist Madonna could ever hope to be and he's 10X more popular. Sure, Madonna is overexposing herself at the moment so it seems like she's more popular, but just wait until Michael comes out of hiding and starts actually doing shows and releasing music. Madonna wont be shit in comparison. Michael's going to dominate. And with the way he is rumoured to be releasing his new music, you can bet your life that he will absolutely saturate the market. He's releasing 4 singles at the same time prior to the release of the album. That's awesome. #1, #2, #3 and #4 on the singles chart and #1 on the album chart. You can bet on that.
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DarlingDiana said:

I'm gonna make a prediction: there won't be a new Michael Jackson album at all.Yeah,I said it.This guy has lost the inspiration to make new music,he's lost the "drive".That new album he's supposedly working on? Don't hold your breath waiting for it to be released.He doesn't even have a record deal! I seriously think Michael has retired from music,he just hasn't announced it yet.Sorry MJ fans,the party is over.
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Shoot. Michael Jackson needs to release some music in order to have a hit. He hasnt released a album in 6 years...
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DarlingDiana said:

Where did you hear that????

MJ is not even trying it.

I love Madonna but outside of her fan base people think she's an old talentless slut who cant sing. People atleast respect Michael as an artist no matter how nutty they think he is...

As far as success goes I dont think Michael even needs to prove himself ever again. He was touring the world and having number ones when Prince and Madonna were buncha skool kids.

avasdad said:

Prince


cheatin to get his cd to number one tsktsk

LightOfArt said:

oh snap!

krayzie said:

I agree. This may come as a shock to some, but MJ is still more popular than Madonna around the world. Yes, Madonna is huge in the UK, other English-speaking countries, Europe, and Japan with good reason since she has managed her career and life better than MJ, in particular in the last decade. And I admire and respect her very, very much for her longevity in an industry notorious for its sexism. For MJ the destruction of his public image is true in the US for sure (but even in the US, he has a sizable fanbase), but not necessarily true to the same extent in non-English-speaking countries due to the fact that the rest of us were not exposed to the media coverage of the 2005 trial as Americans were. For example, in Korea, his skin-color change, cosmetic surgeries, and love of children are part of his public image; and unlike in the US, he is, for the most part, seen as an eccentric genius and not as a pervert. A lot of people listen to his music without caring about his personal life.

While Thriller made MJ a superstar and brought him incredible exposure to other nationalities, his status as a global pop icon, I would argue, became cemented with the Bad, Dangerous, and HIStory tours.

His fanbase has been and continues to be bigger than Madonna's.

But who is more desperate for a hit? Well, I cannot answer that until I listen to both of their CDs. I hope that MJ releases a new album soon -- before 2009. LOL.

Another thing: MJ has been in the entertainment business longer than Madonna. A lot of people forget that The Jackson 5 hit it big in 1968 -- almost forty years ago. Madonna, to my knowledge, came out with her first studio album in 1982.

BTW, no one is over until that person decides that he or she is over. Madonna came back strong after the controversy surrounding the release of her Erotica album and Sex book, and is still here. MJ came back after his 1993 child molestation accusation, and had great commerical success with the HIStory album and tour.
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LightOfArt said:

These days,Michael is a media joke....a tragic trainwreck.Most people don't even think of "Michael-the-artist" anymore.They think of Michael,the guy who had too much plastic surgery and was recently in a child molestation trial.Sorry,but that's the truth.

I would argue that,in the past ten years or so,Madonna has gotten alot of respect and critical acclaim.More importantly than that,she has stayed focused to her art and hasn't self-destructed.

LightOfArt said:

I don't agree with this at all.

Madonna's fan base did not send her last studio album to #1 in more countries than Thriller, Madonna's fan base did not make her last tour the highest grossing most successful tour by a female artist in history.

MJ fans make the mistake of assuming Madonna is untalented, can't sing or dance and does not have any invlovement writing her songs. This is jealousy, you only have to spend 2 minutes reading a Madonna thread at a MJ forum to see MJ loons slam Madonna as a media darling and how unfair the media is to promote such an untalented slut and victimise poor Michael.

At the end of the day, Madonna is the winner. She isn't a joke, she is not considered a risk to children, she is not an ugly terrible parody of her former self. The problem with MJ is he stopped being innovative after Thriller, everything else was a repeat, the repetitive dance moves, set lists, lip-synced tours, costumes, memo to Michael - it's not 1984. Take a chance and be innovative.

MJ needs a hit much more than Madonna and by the time he bothers to actually release an album, just like last time when he worked with Darkchild who was cool in 1999 but not in 2001, the album will sound dated and behind the time.

That's if he could be bothered doing anything other than stumbling around the world from one kind host to another.

One could make the strong argument that MJ has not been innovative in concerts since the Bad tour. One could also make the strong argument that in the US he is seen as a joke by the mainstream media and public (outside of his fanbase).

However, it would be difficult to make the argument that Madonna is a superior singer, dancer, songwriter, performer, and all-around entertainer when one compares the two at the height of their respective careers -- and one must take into consideration when each started in show business -- MJ in 1968 and Madonna in 1982. I believe that even those who have stopped supporting MJ with the release of his Bad album in 1987 continue to respect and admire his work with The Jackson 5 and The Jackons. Moreover, Off The Wall and Thriller are far more respected among music critics and lovers than Like A Prayer, Erotica, or Ray of Light. I think I am not alone in describing Off The Wall and Thriller as two of the most influential albums of the past thirty years.

But, I am sure there are many, many for whom Madonna is the greater entertainer and pop cultural icon. In addition to her longevity and ability to craft great, fun pop records, I personally admire her for her stance on gay rights, and willingness to spread awareness about AIDS -- something which a lot of celebrities shy from.
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I wonder how will both MJ and Madonna be remembered one hundred years from now. Will the music, or the controversies continue to be documented in history books? Both? Or will MJ and Madonna (and even Prince) be forgotten?

BTW, just because someone is seen as a joke now, does not mean that he or she will not be celebrated by future generations. Mozart died a pauper, and was scorned by the majority of his peers (with some exceptions, of course) when he died -- a far cry from his success as a child prodigy and court composer. His music, however, was rediscovered, and it continues to be loved to this day.
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tyrone25 said:

Neither do I. I was just stating what the popular opinion on her is.

tyrone25 said:

To put things in perspective,let's look at where they are both at,right now:

***Madonna---getting ready to release a new CD in mid-November and launch another world tour next June....is considering a new record deal with LiveNation that will be worth $160 million....Warners has recently said that they will fight to keep her,which means that they too will offer her a generous deal to re-sign....getting ready to celebrate her 25th anniversary in the biz with a multi-disc box set next spring....MTV is planning a 2-hour Madonna special that celebrates her career,to air this fall...her last tour was the most successful tour ever,by a female artist.

***Michael Jackson---currently has no record deal....there is no release date for the new album....no tour plans....hasn't done a big tour in at least ten years....


When you think about it,Madonna really has nothing to prove.Her career is in great shape,considering how long she's been around.She doesn't have to "comeback" from a damaging scandal,or prove that she can still sellout arenas.