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PrintabletheAudience said: Miles said: You misunderstand my hangin' buddies Stanley and Wynton, tA, namepeace. They just digs old funk, like way back over yonder funk ...   Yeah, once drum machines and synthesizers start replacing the acoustic instruments they're not havin' it.
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theAudience said: jacktheimprovident said: Surprising as it may seem, I'm not really any more into funk that I am into any other style of music and there's plenty of funk outside the top five or so greatest exemplars of it (James, Sly, P-funk, EWF, The Meters) that I find to be mediocre to bad (and outside of Prince and some Rick James I generally don't like 80s funk at all).
For me, rhythm is at least as important as melody, harmony, counterpoint or any other musical element you could name, which is why I'm not very into European Classical music (yet), and why a tune with a good grove can trump a tune with a solid melody for me. This is a very fine point you've raised here which is why I prefer more Jazz based Funk music. Funk in the hands of Jazz musicians (Herbie Hancock and The Headhunters as a prime example) tends to incorporate melody and harmony in a sophisticated manner. Using these 2 albums as illustrations...  
...Head Hunters & Thrust Slick melodies, skillful chord changes combined with carefully constructed arrangements on top of very funky grooves keep the compositions (and in these cases they are truly compositions) from getting boring after a few minutes. In other words, they don't let the Funk just lay there.
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http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 You've sold me on those. I'm gonna have to check 'em out. I love the sound of funk music. It's probably the best sounding music I've ever heard, but I don't like being asked to choose between groove and melody. The best thing is having the two of them together, and if the lyrics are great too, a la Sly, Prince, Clinton and the rest, then so much the better. I make no apologies for that. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: You've sold me on those. I'm gonna have to check 'em out. I love the sound of funk music. It's probably the best sounding music I've ever heard, You can best believe if TA, myself and the rest of the Org Veterns put our stamp on it then, you know there's serious groove going on and we won't steer you wrong. Those albums are pure and uncut Funk. | |
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TonyVanDam said: And don't forget about G-Funk's other co-founders like DJ Quik & Warren G (Dr.Dre's half-brother).
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thebanishedone said: .....but for some reason they are much more into shit hop[/ That is absolutely false, you cannot generalize what music all Black people like to listen to. I like all kinds of music, no specific favorite, if it sounds good, then I like it, doesn't matter if it's funk, rock, jazz, blues, etc..  [Edited 7/26/07 7:12am] | |
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vainandy said:
I realize that I’m from The South and The South has always been the most racist place on earth. However, if you look at the music charts back then and the television shows such as “American Bandstand” and “Soul Train”, you will see that there were separate black and white audiences for different types of music back then. Apparently, issues with race and music was a nationwide thing but not just as brazen and in the open as The South. Since this is a Prince site, here’s a perfect example. Why the hell was Prince not played on white radio stations after the death of disco and why the hell hadn’t most white people heard of Prince before “Little Red Corvette”? Prince had put rock tracks on all his earlier albums so there was certainly rock for them to play if it’s just a genre thing. Prince wasn’t played on white stations because he was black. People can sugarcoat it all they want to but that’s just the way it was
^^Straight to the point and then some.
vainandy said ,,,, It was then, that I realized that there are good and bad in all races.
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vainandy said: White record labels soon discovered that more people were listening to rap than just black people, and since it was cheap to make, they promoted the hell out of it and kept everything else out. Thats exactly why "Shit hop"( ) is big business right now. People say that black people abandoned "funk and rock" but notice that when black people were REALLY down with hip-hop(the 80's) record labels couldn't give a shit about it,,,untill the white kids in the suburbs got addicted to it.
Same shit different day, really. From the beginning of time, the target audience were the white kids,,,thats REALLY why hip-hop is big now, not because black people enjoy it. Trust me ya'll, every sane black person will tell you that he/she don't want to do with the recent coonery of hip-hop music. | |
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Harlepolis said: vainandy said: White record labels soon discovered that more people were listening to rap than just black people, and since it was cheap to make, they promoted the hell out of it and kept everything else out. Thats exactly why "Shit hop"( ) is big business right now. People say that black people abandoned "funk and rock" but notice that when black people were REALLY down with hip-hop(the 80's) record labels couldn't give a shit about it,,,untill the white kids in the suburbs got addicted to it.
Same shit different day, really. From the beginning of time, the target audience were the white kids,,,thats REALLY why hip-hop is big now, not because black people enjoy it. Trust me ya'll, every sane black person will tell you that he/she don't want to do with the recent coonery of hip-hop music. That's true, more white kids listen to rap and hip-hop than black kids. Although many black kids listen to rap/hip-hop, out here in NYC a large majority of the young, black generation or a little older are listening to neo-soul, r&b, new wave, nu-jazz(?), electronica , etc., believe it or not...at least that's what my son tells me. [Edited 7/26/07 8:22am] | |
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2elijah said: Harlepolis said: Thats exactly why "Shit hop"( ) is big business right now. People say that black people abandoned "funk and rock" but notice that when black people were REALLY down with hip-hop(the 80's) record labels couldn't give a shit about it,,,untill the white kids in the suburbs got addicted to it.
Same shit different day, really. From the beginning of time, the target audience were the white kids,,,thats REALLY why hip-hop is big now, not because black people enjoy it. Trust me ya'll, every sane black person will tell you that he/she don't want to do with the recent coonery of hip-hop music. That's true, more white kids listen to rap and hip-hop than black kids. Although many black kids listen to rap/hip-hop, out here in NYC a large majority of the young, black generation or a little older are listening to neo-soul, r&b, new wave, nu-jazz(?), electronica , etc., believe it or not...at least that's what my son tells me. [Edited 7/26/07 8:22am] Oh I believe it, alright
People will try and put black youth in a box, for the sake of not working a brain cell. Back in the day, they said we ONLY listen to "spirituals"(whateva the hell that means) right now, we only listen to hip-hop. Or otherwise, we ain't "black" enough,,,,and I tell ya, the "black enough" bullshit wasn't our invention either. It just seems abit eyebrow-raising to some people when they see black folks liking something out of the "box". | |
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Thumparello said: Funk ain't going nowhere!
Matter of fact it's going to be the next Pop music  It's forever coming!!! 
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funkpill said: Thumparello said: Funk ain't going nowhere!
Matter of fact it's going to be the next Pop music It's forever coming!!!
No doubt. Just like the mothership  .
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Harlepolis said: 2elijah said: That's true, more white kids listen to rap and hip-hop than black kids. Although many black kids listen to rap/hip-hop, out here in NYC a large majority of the young, black generation or a little older are listening to neo-soul, r&b, new wave, nu-jazz(?), electronica , etc., believe it or not...at least that's what my son tells me. [Edited 7/26/07 8:22am] Oh I believe it, alright
People will try and put black youth in a box, for the sake of not working a brain cell. Back in the day, they said we ONLY listen to "spirituals"(whateva the hell that means) right now, we only listen to hip-hop. Or otherwise, we ain't "black" enough,,,,and I tell ya, the "black enough" bullshit wasn't our invention either. It just seems abit eyebrow-raising to some people when they see black folks liking something out of the "box". Very true, pretty much generalizing and putting a limit on what they think what type of music black kids listen to. I actually learn a lot from my son about new artists/music, and he has basically introduced me to some new and interesting world music that different age groups can enjoy--our kids go beyond listening to r&b, funk, etc. although I do have high respect and appreciate r&b/funk/soul music. [Edited 7/26/07 17:33pm] | |
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i have seen a "hatred" 2wards funk and r & b music when it comes 2 prince's music but day i looked in2 a thread about eyrkah badu and someone wanting her 2 do a rock album as they have done 2 prince! :wtf:
like george said .."funk can not only make u move it can remove! the desired effect is what u get..." so if u come at it negative..u'll leave with a negative taste.. i come's 2 get my funky face on! man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: i have seen a "hatred" 2wards funk and r & b music when it comes 2 prince's music but day i looked in2 a thread about eyrkah badu and someone wanting her 2 do a rock album as they have done 2 prince! :wtf:
like george said .."funk can not only make u move it can remove! the desired effect is what u get..." so if u come at it negative..u'll leave with a negative taste.. i come's 2 get my funky face on! And like I always say: FUNK CAN DO AIRTHANG!!!
I don't think ya' heah me... AIRTHANG!!!
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2elijah said: thebanishedone said: .....but for some reason they are much more into shit hop[/ That is absolutely false, you cannot generalize what music all Black people like to listen to. I like all kinds of music, no specific favorite, if it sounds good, then I like it, doesn't matter if it's funk, rock, jazz, blues, etc..
[Edited 7/26/07 7:12am] That's right! I'm black and 17 and I HATE shit-hop... | |
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datdude said:
thanks for the insights Vain, i knew u'd have some. heck, when you CAN'T respond to the groove in funk, u ARE dead. u may not be able to cut the rug, like you USED to, but i know i'll show nuff be tryin'. And when I get to old to cut the mustard, I can at least lick the jar.
for those out of the country (like Finland) who've posted, i wonder how different your experiences would be if the country had gone thru some of the same racial turmoil as in the states, when black music was looked as RACE music. it was as if, they knew that if a white person could appreciate and like music from black ppl, it would "affirm their humanity" and it would be the first step towards something other than the superior-inferior, oppressive relationship. music can liberate.
I think that's probably why a lot of people overseas are so open to different types of music. They don't have the racial history that we have here in the states. i'm glad many of those who've posted have been able to "go against the grain" despite whatever culture they find themselves in. free yo mind and yo ass will follow indeed!
Not only did I go against the grain with my musical tastes and friends since 1979, but I arrogantly flaunted it and didn't give a damn who liked it or not. That's how Prince influenced me so much during those years. It also was a big help in 1990 when I got tired of living a lie with my sexuality and decided to live my life totally as I pleased. I just figured, if I survived all those years of comments by rednecks concerning race, I could survive anything. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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TonyVanDam said:
It makes me wonder how many black folks from The South were secretly listening to Heavy Metal?!?  I knew one or two black guys that listened to heavy metal and didn't give a damn who knew. I used to talk about them like a dog back in the day but nowadays I have nothing but respect for them for doing as they pleased just like I did. I joke with them these days and tell them that God got mine and their souls reversed in the wrong bodies. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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TonyVanDam said: vainandy said: Well, I don't want anything that "touches my heart". I want something that touches my ass. If I want heart-touching stuff, I'll turn on Lifetime and watch one of it's movies.  VA, THIS should be you new footnote for the month of August!You know I can come up with a good one every now and then. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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MajesticOne89 said: TonyVanDam said: They the same kind of orgers that might think Lovesexy is better than Dirty Mind, Controversy, and even 1999!!! [/b]
  Haha. Idk about you guys, but i'll take those 3 albums over ATWIAD, Parade and lovesexy anyday. I dont remember what vainandy said exactly on a thread comparing Prince's early 80's work to his late 80's, but I think it went something like this "Fuck that artsy fartsy shit, give me some funk!" That sounds pretty close to something I would say.
Then I would compare the orchestra parts on "Parade" to Lawrence Welk just to piss the "Parade" lovers off. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: That sounds pretty close to something I would say.
Then I would compare the orchestra parts on "Parade" to Lawrence Welk just to piss the "Parade" lovers off. Yeah, that sort of thing would piss me off since I love "Parade". I just think it's unfairly judged as an "artsy-fartsy" album espcially when you consider the tour behind it. That was one of the funkiest and most soulful tours Prince has ever done. But I guess a lot of you guys missed that point.  NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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NWF said: vainandy said: That sounds pretty close to something I would say.
Then I would compare the orchestra parts on "Parade" to Lawrence Welk just to piss the "Parade" lovers off. Yeah, that sort of thing would piss me off since I love "Parade". I just think it's unfairly judged as an "artsy-fartsy" album espcially when you consider the tour behind it. That was one of the funkiest and most soulful tours Prince has ever done. But I guess a lot of you guys missed that point. Well, I never saw the tour but I heard a bootleg cassette tape of portions of it. I was not impressed. I had grown up on Prince sounding like no other R&B artist at the time. I had grown up on Prince's sound sounding extremely cold and futuristic. The funk on "Parade" was good funk but it didn't sound like Prince to me. It sounded like Prince immitating James Brown. The last thing I wanted to hear while the 80s were still going on, was funk that sounded like it was 10 or 15 years old. I wanted current sounding funk. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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NWF said: vainandy said: That sounds pretty close to something I would say.
Then I would compare the orchestra parts on "Parade" to Lawrence Welk just to piss the "Parade" lovers off. Yeah, that sort of thing would piss me off since I love "Parade". I just think it's unfairly judged as an "artsy-fartsy" album espcially when you consider the tour behind it. That was one of the funkiest and most soulful tours Prince has ever done. But I guess a lot of you guys missed that point. Well the point was it was Prince at his funkiest. He was way ahead of his funk peers at that point anyways. He might've taken it back to the days of JB, but the shit was tight though. Andy, try and find the video of the Parade tour, then you'll see how bad the brotha was. [Edited 7/27/07 7:40am] NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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jacktheimprovident said: Well, I do think that many people who don't like funk, reggae, hip-hop, certain types of jazz etc. might not appreciate it because they don't feel the groove or aren't used to music that doesn't have a straight-forward vocal melody as its main hook rather than rhythmic (or polyrhythmic) interplay.
I wouldn't say it's a racial thing though (obviously not because I happen to be Caucasian and a major lover classic funk, R&B, jazz, reggae and hip-hop), I'd say certain people are just "groove-deaf" and/or their distate is an extension of their unwillingness to make an effort to appreciate music that isn't immediately accessible to them. I'll go with my man here's answer since that's exactly the point I was going to make on this thread.
It's not really a race thing (maybe for some ). It's just that they may not dig the groove. If one comes from a Metal background and that's what they're into mostly, then something like Funk would be something they'd sneeze that.
But it's like anyone with anything. If they're into whatever music they like, then another genre they can't dig or relate to is gonna go over their heads. NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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NWF said: NWF said: Yeah, that sort of thing would piss me off since I love "Parade". I just think it's unfairly judged as an "artsy-fartsy" album espcially when you consider the tour behind it. That was one of the funkiest and most soulful tours Prince has ever done. But I guess a lot of you guys missed that point. Well the point was it was Prince at his funkiest. He was way ahead of his funk peers at that point anyways. He might've taken it back to the days of JB, but the shit was tight though. Andy, try and find the video of the Parade tour, then you'll see how bad the brotha was.
[Edited 7/27/07 7:40am] Oh, he definately was, and still is, bad. If he wasn't I wouldn't still be here. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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NWF said: Yeah, that sort of thing would piss me off since I love "Parade". I just think it's unfairly judged as an "artsy-fartsy" album espcially when you consider the tour behind it. That was one of the funkiest and most soulful tours Prince has ever done. But I guess a lot of you guys missed that point.
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I am white (european) and funk is my all time favourite genre! "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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vainandy said: if I saw another white person in the place, I would let them know real quick…. “Motherfucker, I am the only white delight in this place tonight. Get lost”.
Haha was "white delight" really a commonly accepted phrase for the token club caucasoid? Thats funny. Glug, glug like a mug | |
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funkpill said: FUNK CAN DO AIRTHANG!!!
I don't think ya' heah me... AIRTHANG!!!
Sho Nuff | |
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vainandy said:
if I saw another white person in the place, I would let them know real quick…. “Motherfucker, I am the only white delight in this place tonight. Get lost”.
vainandy..I swear that sounds like a signature line... | |
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for the record i do enjoy some funk (clinton, james, bootsy,...)
but my answer to any variation to the question "why don't you like (insert genre here)?" is always: "same reason I don't enjoy people talking aerodynamics or quantum-physics"...it doesn't relate to my life, and I can't relate to it...race, gender, color of skin doesn't have much to do with it i think. It was not in vain...it was in Minneapolis! | |
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