Timmy84 said:

your right tim those are the wisest words i hav read on this forum - WISE WORDS FROM A WISE MAN

Wow, you people cant stop talking about michael jackson, having skimmed through these pages there are some real nutters on here going on about the same old stupid things about his face and kids and this started as a rant on MJ fans.

Thanks, optimus, I just get frustrated with a lot of stuff considering artists whose music I dig.

whatsgoingon said:

I'm talking more about the defenders rather than just fans as such. Maybe backwards is a better word than unbalanced. My bad. btw, I don't have anything against kooks in general. It's just the absence of logic and rationality that gets a bit tiresome.

midnightmover said:

I understand what you are saying, but those people are probably fans of his character more than his music. Because loving someone music has never stopped people from seeing the truth.

Back in 1987 when Bad came out was probably the height of my fandom with Michael, but even then I knew the plastic surgery had gone too far, so as much as I loved him I could still see he was ruining his looks, yet I was a deep-seated fan. I knew lots of other fans like that as well, they felt Michael had ruined himself as much as they loved him. But then again there are those that became fans because of the way he started to "look" because he seem so off The Wall and those are the ones who defy all logic and unfortunately a huge size of his fanbase today are made up of those kind of people.
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whatsgoingon said:

The problem is he doesn't make music anymore. He starts things but never finishes them, and let's face it his music lost it's heart and soul a long time ago anyway. So the true music fans make a distinction between his former greatness and his current state. The defenders and wishful thinkers don't actually realise that it's over. He couldn't even summon the energy to write one new song for the Number Ones album, instead using a pedestrian R Kelly ballad as the sole new track. Even if he did release another album in say 2009 (I'd be surprised even by that) it would be a totally irrelevant affair.
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bboy87 said:

Thats a pretty fair assessment. However you forgot a catagory:

The old skool fans who prefer his music about up to Thriller, and before he transformed himself into a pork-faced white woman.

I believe I'm one of the folks who would fall in that division

Over at MJNO, which seems to consist largely of distressed teenagers, they are constantly arguing about whether the album will come out this year, next year or at all.

The defenders say "He knows what he's doing/he will suprise us all/the best is yet to come" and those that, I think, are more sensible are arguing that they'll believe it when they see it, there's no real evidence that he's recording at all and the information they're getting from official sources is at best confusing and at worst BS or desperate. The last we heard from Bain was that 3-4 singles, but no album, would be released by the end of the year which makes no sense at all.

The sad thing is that the doubters are sometimes banned and often have their threads closed. There's no room for a rational argument in MJ land, it seems.

Hence why I come here and have my own little MJ forum for my gathering of minions

Ottensen said:

So am I. Old skool Michael was the baddest entertainer on the planet(1969-1984), before he lost it and became a parody of himself.

Ottensen said:

yeah I'mma pre porked face white woman fan myself....

I loveeeeeddeedded me some Jacksons back in the day.....but now...

midnightmover said:

Even if he doesn't make music much nowadays that doesn't stop people loving and admiring what he once had. However, we must remember his current batch of fans are mostly late teens to mid 20s, they barely remember Thriller let alone the brown-skin handsome, brotha with a fro, who could be soulful and mellow as well as funky and sassy. To them MJ is the ambigious person which they find attractive. He is King of Pop/ Peter pan who takes forever to release an album. To them songs like Earth Song, Childhood, Lost children, Little susie are classics. Their overall perceptions of who is Michael Jackson is completely different to the perceptions of those of us who remembered him pre-Thriller.
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All fans do that!


But MJ fans are worse because it's MJ that they like.

hope that clears things up.

Blah! Little Susie is SO a fan-classic - I even hear it playing in Harrods when I waltz in there just for the Krispy Kreme counter (the only affordable thing!). You CAN appreciate all aspects of his career and still be objective you know.

*yawn*@ this thread. I really hate topics like this because they're terribly predictable. But like any car wreck, I just have to peak in...

Some sad commentary here, but also a few sensible observations. I don't care much for MJ fan boards any more because the smart fans are far outnumbered by the...others. I really like this forum because of the wide range of music discussions, but the obsession over MJ is actually creepier HERE than on any MJ forum.

MJ fans are labeled as "loonies" here for the simple fact that it makes the fans of other artists feel superior (and how sad is that? How old are you again? 14?) Well, that and the fact that there are some here who developed an emotional attachment to the Jacksons, and now feel "betrayed" by them in some way. Honestly, there is no constructive criticism here, no truthful talk about WHY certain (not all) fans/fanatics of certain people have shall we say, flawed philosophies. MJ is my favorite artist next to Stevie, and I won't have some bitter ex-Jackson fans speak for what I allegedly represent. By the way, posting over-sized JPG's of MJ's mug shot, fake Joe Jackson, the Bird Lady, etc., is NOT clever.

Bottom line is, I have a tremendous amount of respect for MJ, musically AND personally (e.g. his charity work.) I don't like every song he's done, don't agree with every public move he's made, but I know that he is a decent man and a LEGEND who does not have to lift another finger in his musical life. Like the liner notes of one CD said, he could have retired at 14 and still have been crowned an artist for the ages. As sad is it is to see certain fans pretend like pre-Bad era Mike never existed, it also hurts my heart to see comments like "pig faced white woman," and I often wonder what kind of emotional turmoil Mike has had to endure as a Black man, conflicted (at least, at one point) with his appearance and stricken by a life changing skin disease.

I have never seen so much hate, obsession, and unfair judgment projected onto one person, and it's bizarre (I mean, God, even his poor KIDS are torn to pieces by the public, and most of them ain't even seen 'em!) It's a true observation that the public tend to project their own phobias and secret desires onto celebrities, especially "blank canvasses" like Michael Jackson, a man who refuses to go into too much detail about his life or work. Good thing is that Mike's (supposedly) working on new music, and he seems to be cleaning house and getting his mind right. I just hope that MJ has found some peace and can live a happy and fulfilling life from now on.
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Timmy84 said:

And that fucking cheesy "Heal The World"

dseann said:

I've always hated that song. Maybe Michael and his strongest-minded fans may think those songs are boss but they just don't stick with me at all. Sorry. I can't hate on the brother for wanting to express himself the way he wants to but doggone...

I find myself more a fan of his music pre-1987 too though "Bad", "Dangerous", "HIStory" and even "Invincible" had its moments. I heard the Jackson 5's "All I Do is Think of You" and just shake my head as to why Michael don't sing that way anymore, he still does but he does it on the wrong songs, lol.

Timmy84 said:

He seems to have replaced his natural gift of singing with a lot of Ooh's, ahs and crotch grabbing. You are right though he used to sing his behind off up until 79's "Off The Wall" album. The only song he truly sang on Thriller was "The Lady in My Life".

lilgish said:

I am not a fan per se. I think my post in the filth thread was perhaps only my 2nd comment in a MJ thread since I've been on this board.

MJ STANS are insane (If you are not a stan then I'm not talking about you). They take their mess all over the internet. I can understand stanatic behavior inside Michael's online fan community(forums, message boards, etc) but when that sh!t goes outside of those communities, then there is a problem. Going to other artist fan forums or general message boards with the stanning and swooping down on anything that they can spot that is negative about MJ is beyond ridiculous.
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lilgish said:

haha! Michael Jackson fans are even more delusional than some of the nutjobs over on the Prince: Music and more forum. In fact it's not even close.

There's a STAN on the loose in M&M.

PurpleCharm said:

co-sign

thekidsgirl said:

Finally, Mike is getting his color back. Whew!!!!It's about time Mike.

thekidsgirl said: