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Does Shredding make you a a good Guitar soloist? Shredding is becoming the norm in solos, and people tend to associate this with being a good guitarist...
Personally it irritates the fuck out of me , because in my opinion shredding scales isn't melodic... There are some melodic shredders like Vai, Halen, etc... But im more partial to old school melodic soling Ala David GilmoreTo me soloing is something intelectual, not how many notes you can play within a certain tempo Am i wrong? Sometimes minimalism is a virtue... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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What's a guitar solo? | |
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lilgish said: What's a guitar solo?
christ is everyone in a damn sarcastic mood on the org tonight lol  I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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It's not how much you play, but what you say. A solo should say something in a song. And if it's good, it will make you want to hear more. And it also depends on the style of music too.
Miles said it the best about guitar shredding in the late 80's : "Some of these cats need to go note rehab". | |
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Shredding simply makes you a shredder.
I'd rather hear B.B. King methodically play those same 5 or 6 notes at the right time than hear the lot of those speedfreaks. Now there are players that can play lots of notes effectively. Allan Holdsworth (probably the Godfather of that style) knows when to pull back and play nice melodic passages consisting of quite a few whole notes. tA  Tribal Disorder
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SPYZFAN1 said: It's not how much you play, but what you say. A solo should say something in a song. And if it's good, it will make you want to hear more. And it also depends on the style of music too.
Miles said it the best about guitar shredding in the late 80's : "Some of these cats need to go note rehab". Well tahts why i love Miles back in the jazz Hay day when everybody was playing a million notes a minute, Miles kicked back and got Modal, emphasizing oon the Ahmad Jamal principle that its not the notes you play but the spaces inbetween the notes which i think should be essential for all soloing instruments but people are so impressed by shredders... and i just don't get it I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: lilgish said: What's a guitar solo?
christ is everyone in a damn sarcastic mood on the org tonight lol Live, I think it's okay to shred, everyone is familiar with the songs on record. Really I'll take OTT shredding any day over, no bland, no soling "rock". It depends on the song, You would never hear a solo like Layla today, but it fits perfectly fine with the song. Machine Gun solo.... I know that's not shredding, but where have all the solo's gone? Shredding 
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SPYZFAN1 said: Miles said it the best about guitar shredding in the late 80's : "Some of these cats need to go note rehab".  | |
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SPYZFAN1 said: Miles said it the best about guitar shredding in the late 80's : "Some of these cats need to go note rehab".
Regarding the abundance of notes, alledgedly Miles told Coltrane, "Coltrane, you can't play everything at once!" tA Tribal Disorder
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I agree with Aud. Cats like Holdsworth, Sonny Sharrock, Greg Howe, Al Dimeola, etc are guys that play stuff that blaze, but still keep it interesting.
But guys like Jeff Beck and Buddy Guy can play 4 or 5 notes and make the hair on my arms stand up. I like both schools of playing. Blackbyrd and John Frusciante are the perfect examples of guys that know when to blaze and when to lay back and groove. | |
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SPYZFAN1 said: I agree with Aud. Cats like Holdsworth, Sonny Sharrock, Greg Howe, Al Dimeola, etc are guys that play stuff that blaze, but still keep it interesting.
But guys like Jeff Beck and Buddy Guy can play 4 or 5 notes and make the hair on my arms stand up. I like both schools of playing. Blackbyrd and John Frusciante are the perfect examples of guys that know when to blaze and when to lay back and groove. Vernon Reid, Ty Tabor... Fantasy is reality in the world today. But I'll keep hangin in there, that is the only way. | |
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lilgish said: EmbattledWarrior said: christ is everyone in a damn sarcastic mood on the org tonight lol Live, I think it's okay to shred, everyone is familiar with the songs on record. Really I'll take OTT shredding any day over, no bland, no soling "rock". It depends on the song, You would never hear a solo like Layla today, but it fits perfectly fine with the song. Machine Gun solo.... I know that's not shredding, but where have all the solo's gone? Shredding
[Edited 7/5/07 15:18pm] Speaking of "Jimi Hendrix", when he played the guitar, did he heavy strings and high "Action", average strings, and average "Action", light strings, and low "Action", or.....well, you get what I'm asking? Basically, what was the usual weight (gauge) and estimate of "Percision With Height of Strings Above The Fretboard"? | |
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Outside of Guitar Center I wouldn't say anyone's shredding anymore. Seems long gone in terms of popular music.
But I'd say a brilliant guitar player who shreds is a brilliant guitar player. My Legacy
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theAudience said: SPYZFAN1 said: Miles said it the best about guitar shredding in the late 80's : "Some of these cats need to go note rehab".
Regarding the abundance of notes, alledgedly Miles told Coltrane, "Coltrane, you can't play everything at once!" tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 Supposedly Coltrane said about his solos "sometimes I feel like I just can't stop" and Miles said "just take the horn out of your mouth!" My Legacy
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OK....for us non-guitar players.....can one of you guys give me a good definition of "shredding" and some examples by musician and piece? Give it a whirl....
(I'm pretty sure I get what you are talking about, but let's give it a try....)  "Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive."
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cubic61052 said: OK....for us non-guitar players.....can one of you guys give me a good definition of "shredding" and some examples by musician and piece? Give it a whirl....
(I'm pretty sure I get what you are talking about, but let's give it a try....) Oh, well even I have a good idea of what shredding and no one has even broken down for me. The style of playing the guitar where, like, you get a "Metal" feel, you know? Like if your guitar sounds like a medley of screams. Sometimes chaos results. Sometimes there is order. Hell, sometimes they go hand in hand.  | |
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cubic61052 said: OK....for us non-guitar players.....can one of you guys give me a good definition of "shredding" and some examples by musician and piece? Give it a whirl....
(I'm pretty sure I get what you are talking about, but let's give it a try....) Lots of fast notes--Eddie Van Halen, Steve Vai, Metallica--80's stuff My Legacy
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its all about phrasing, see you can play harmonics and pull offs and hammer ons until your fingers fall off, trust me I've done it, but id rather hear some good tone and melodic notes instead of crazy speed, because in that you miss everything | |
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NO !
It can be cool in a live show context..but on recordings "TASTY" ie:well phrased,well placed notes win everytime ! | |
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FarrahMoan said: lilgish said: Live, I think it's okay to shred, everyone is familiar with the songs on record. Really I'll take OTT shredding any day over, no bland, no soling "rock". It depends on the song, You would never hear a solo like Layla today, but it fits perfectly fine with the song. Machine Gun solo.... I know that's not shredding, but where have all the solo's gone? Shredding
[Edited 7/5/07 15:18pm] Speaking of "Jimi Hendrix", when he played the guitar, did he heavy strings and high "Action", average strings, and average "Action", light strings, and low "Action", or.....well, you get what I'm asking? Basically, what was the usual weight (gauge) and estimate of "Percision With Height of Strings Above The Fretboard"? I have read that he used '10 Guage' Strings. I also heard that his 'G' string was a lighter guage than usual. I'm not sure what exactly...maybe somebody has more info.....?? | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: Shredding is becoming the norm in solos, and people tend to associate this with being a good guitarist...
Personally it irritates the fuck out of me , because in my opinion shredding scales isn't melodic... There are some melodic shredders like Vai, Halen, etc... But im more partial to old school melodic soling Ala David GilmoreTo me soloing is something intelectual, not how many notes you can play within a certain tempo Am i wrong? Sometimes minimalism is a virtue... Who shreds nowadays? Shred has been dead since the 80s. | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: SPYZFAN1 said: It's not how much you play, but what you say. A solo should say something in a song. And if it's good, it will make you want to hear more. And it also depends on the style of music too.
Miles said it the best about guitar shredding in the late 80's : "Some of these cats need to go note rehab". Well tahts why i love Miles back in the jazz Hay day when everybody was playing a million notes a minute, Miles kicked back and got Modal, emphasizing oon the Ahmad Jamal principle that its not the notes you play but the spaces inbetween the notes which i think should be essential for all soloing instruments but people are so impressed by shredders... and i just don't get it Some people like shred. They like the sound of it. It's all subjective. [Edited 7/5/07 21:23pm] | |
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cubic61052 said: OK....for us non-guitar players.....can one of you guys give me a good definition of "shredding" and some examples by musician and piece? Give it a whirl....
(I'm pretty sure I get what you are talking about, but let's give it a try....) http://www.youtube.com/wa...8h0FcxhXvM http://www.youtube.com/wa...w_B7nzWdH4 [Edited 7/5/07 21:50pm] a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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Stax said: cubic61052 said: OK....for us non-guitar players.....can one of you guys give me a good definition of "shredding" and some examples by musician and piece? Give it a whirl....
(I'm pretty sure I get what you are talking about, but let's give it a try....) http://www.youtube.com/wa...8h0FcxhXvM http://www.youtube.com/wa...w_B7nzWdH4 [Edited 7/5/07 21:50pm]
Scarified: http://www.youtube.com/wa...hBcODXja4U Technical Difficulties: http://www.youtube.com/wa...2zXMR2yc8E | |
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A thread about shredding and no one's mentioned this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...S_IYe5JTZ4 I love Yngwie and I love shred. His image and playing are all over the top, but i dig it. When I think "shred", one record label comes to mind: Mike Varney's Shrapnel Records. That was the home of shred. As far as shred being "dead", a lot of those '80s cats are like freakin' gods over there in Japan. Nuno Bettencourt, Richie Kotzen, Paul Gilbert and Marty Freidman (who has his own tv show over there) are like royalty over there. More shredders: Nuno Bettencourt: http://www.youtube.com/wa...S9q4vrN_04 Paul Gilbert: http://www.youtube.com/wa...C60XNiS-MQ Marty Freidman: http://www.youtube.com/wa...VdyHs_IX1I Akira Takasaki (Loudness): http://www.youtube.com/wa...pl5q6vr5Bg Joey Tafolla: http://www.youtube.com/wa...4Fc0EULRZ0 Richie Kotzen: http://www.youtube.com/wa...LXc2GCANxA Michael Lee Firkins: http://www.youtube.com/wa...LKu8Rlu-H0 Rusty Cooley: http://www.youtube.com/wa...7LTj-_8at0 Michael Angelo: http://www.youtube.com/wa...utyA12z3Ok The Great Kat: http://www.youtube.com/wa...Tfekev9Rhk Guy Mann Dude: http://www.youtube.com/wa...zEi3yXy_5g Joe Stump: http://www.youtube.com/wa...OJeQ-0ZmFs My author page: https://www.amazon.com/au...eretttruth | |
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Bishop31 said: FarrahMoan said: Speaking of "Jimi Hendrix", when he played the guitar, did he heavy strings and high "Action", average strings, and average "Action", light strings, and low "Action", or.....well, you get what I'm asking? Basically, what was the usual weight (gauge) and estimate of "Percision With Height of Strings Above The Fretboard"? I have read that he used '10 Guage' Strings. I also heard that his 'G' string was a lighter guage than usual. I'm not sure what exactly...maybe somebody has more info.....?? How heavy are "10 Guage Strings"? | |
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guitar solo's are somehow cliche now!
Metal is dead and boring. | |
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well in line with what most people are saying, I'd say that the best "shredders" are the ones who shred least, the ones for whom "lyrical" refers to more than just words in a song. Guys who can shred that I dig include:
Holdsworth Shawn Lane Greg Howe Tony MacAlpine John Petrucci (sometimes) John McLaughlin Al Di Meola Vernon Reid Randy Rhoads Eddie Van Halen But of course emotional resonance and/or cool/interesting noise has always been more impressive to me; there's more meaning in Maggot Brain to me than in the entire "shred" lexicon. But also in terms of being technically impressive I'm always more impressed with guitarists who can self-accompany or create multiple passages on the guitar at the same time-playing lead and rhythm fused or playing leads and basslines simultaneously, or the 8-finger "piano" tapping style-than ones who just play one note at a time lead lines insanely fast such as Joe Pass Stanley Jordan Michael Hedges Kaki King Blind Willie Johnson Robert Johnson Blind Willie McTell Blind Blake George Benson Jimi Hendrix Phil Upchurch Tuck Andress | |
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Joe Satriani... not only one of the greatest guitarists, but one of the greatest songwriters imo. | |
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