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madonna's growth ? for those who enjoy and respect madonna as pretty talented, please discuss her growth and maturity as an artist.
yesterday, on the cyndi lauper behind the music episode, it seemed cyndi really wanted artistry and be acknowleged for her talent. and as a result she kinda gave up on her success. and comparing it to madonna, maddy appealed to kids and/or was a slutty sex icon... how was maddy able to make a shift to the music which brought great critical review and sold millions? has she compromised anything in perticular and how does her growth affect all her image changes? also, in many artists' case when they want to try to conquer many different dimenisions of their music or change their image, record labels disagree and they want their artists to stay with the same formula in order to gain the same kind of success. so what/how did madonna and her record label debate on her change from something that could've been a 1-hit wonder to the now respectful artist? please discuss. thank-you. | |
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subyduby said: for those who enjoy and respect madonna as pretty talented, please discuss her growth and maturity as an artist.
yesterday, on the cyndi lauper behind the music episode, it seemed cyndi really wanted artistry and be acknowleged for her talent. and as a result she kinda gave up on her success. these aren't mutually exclusive goals. and famous artists who say it is, are generally failures. Cyndi's great, but she just couldn't keep up. not that she wanted to, but come on... and comparing it to madonna,
maddy appealed to kids and/or was a slutty sex icon... how was maddy able to make a shift to the music which brought great critical review and sold millions? has she compromised anything in perticular and how does her growth affect all her image changes? she is a woman of singular vision. that's all there is to it. also, in many artists' case when they want to try to conquer many different dimenisions of their music or change their image, record labels disagree and they want their artists to stay with the same formula in order to gain the same kind of success. so what/how did madonna and her record label debate on her change from something that could've been a 1-hit wonder to the now respectful artist?
please discuss. thank-you. again, she has vision. she sets her eye on something and goes for it. from the very beginning. her success with her earlier music made her powerful enough to have some pull with the record company by the time she made a gradual change to True Blue and then to Like A Prayer, which is a lot further removed from her first 2 albums. when you're #1, you get your way. people at the label don't second-guess your instincts. | |
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One of the biggest things to set her apart from the others, IMO, is the fact that she wasn't an airheaded bimbo who tried to be nice all of the time. She took personal risks, took very definite stances on social issues/causes (AIDS, sexual orientation, female sexuality/freedom, censorship, non-traditional religion) when it wasn't popular to do so and gave educated, well-thought out opinions. When people compare Britney to her, I gag (for several reasons) because Britney doesn't have her own mind the way Madonna does. Sure, Madonna was a bit older when her fame broke and probably a little more seasoned in life, but Britney's been in the "biz" since she was a little kid. She's JonBenet all grown up. I can't see her EVER running things herself or having her own controversial opinions, let alone stating them to the press. | |
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Just being devil's advocate here, but...
when we all trash Britney, I wonder... Are we just old?? What valid/controversial opinions was Madonna making on her 1st albums? What bold social commentary was she making as she writhed about in a wedding dress onstage at the VMAs? What new ground did Desperately Seeking Susan make?? Give her some time (Britney) and let's see what happens...her recent antics of pissing off the press is definately a step in some direction...She's just hitting the age that she's realizing she can have a voice and some say in her future... OOOPS! I'm so off topic, huh?! 
I think Aaron summed up the reasons why Madonna has lasted perfectly One thing I'll add is that Madonna is wordly, she's never quit listening to new music or paying attention to what is on the cutting edge..Her knack for staying current is key to her continued relevence. Notice that she continues to surround herself with djs, producers and musicians who are at the forefront of "today's sounds". Thank GOD she hasn't holed up in a cave with Larry Graham and decided to live in the past instead of continuing to grow... (sorry, I couldn't resist) | |
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True. She has grown. At least two cup sizes since "Holiday." | |
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endorphin74 said: Just being devil's advocate here, but...
when we all trash Britney, I wonder... Are we just old?? What valid/controversial opinions was Madonna making on her 1st albums? What bold social commentary was she making as she writhed about in a wedding dress onstage at the VMAs? What new ground did Desperately Seeking Susan make?? Give her some time (Britney) and let's see what happens...her recent antics of pissing off the press is definately a step in some direction...She's just hitting the age that she's realizing she can have a voice and some say in her future... OOOPS! I'm so off topic, huh?!
I think Aaron summed up the reasons why Madonna has lasted perfectly One thing I'll add is that Madonna is wordly, she's never quit listening to new music or paying attention to what is on the cutting edge..Her knack for staying current is key to her continued relevence. Notice that she continues to surround herself with djs, producers and musicians who are at the forefront of "today's sounds". Thank GOD she hasn't holed up in a cave with Larry Graham and decided to live in the past instead of continuing to grow... (sorry, I couldn't resist) Let me guess--you don't like Britney's music much, but you like to look at her, right?  | |
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I think at first She was Catchy&Wanted to Shock.but as time went along She added Growth&Subject Matter to Her Material.doing a Song like "Like a Virgin" in the Mid 80's.then "Papa Don't Preach" which was a risk at the time period."Like a Prayer"&the Video took Her to a "Nother" level IMHO.She isn't a Great or Really Good Singer or Artist IMHO but Whatever Limits She has She makes up for it with Drive,Determination&Heart.She never stopped being Her but She also added a touch of what was going on&made certain things work. mistermaxxx | |
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endorphin74 said: Just being devil's advocate here, but...
Britney might be Her Era's Madonna but what will She do past 25 that will Keep Folks Interested? also Madonna learned alot from Michael Jackson&Prince.She Sponged alot off of them IMHO.who has Britney learned anything off from this Era? now if She uses the Creativity of R.Kelly,Maxwell&D'angelo to Her Advantage than She Might Continue to feel Challenged but at Her Rate She will just get by IMHO.Madonna early on was mistaken for a R&B Artist&also She was Cool.Britney wasn't risky like Madonna.Britney got Sold as Apple&American Pie.Madonna was considered too Risky&Raunchy.the Image alone is what sperates them.Madonna Came along at the Right time.Britney is at a Cross-Roads.She has to be Careful.does She play America's SweetHeart or Does She give up that Spread that we all want in Playboy? Madonna had no rules.She flipped the Script.when we all trash Britney, I wonder... Are we just old?? What valid/controversial opinions was Madonna making on her 1st albums? What bold social commentary was she making as she writhed about in a wedding dress onstage at the VMAs? What new ground did Desperately Seeking Susan make?? Give her some time (Britney) and let's see what happens...her recent antics of pissing off the press is definately a step in some direction...She's just hitting the age that she's realizing she can have a voice and some say in her future... OOOPS! I'm so off topic, huh?!
I think Aaron summed up the reasons why Madonna has lasted perfectly One thing I'll add is that Madonna is wordly, she's never quit listening to new music or paying attention to what is on the cutting edge..Her knack for staying current is key to her continued relevence. Notice that she continues to surround herself with djs, producers and musicians who are at the forefront of "today's sounds". Thank GOD she hasn't holed up in a cave with Larry Graham and decided to live in the past instead of continuing to grow... (sorry, I couldn't resist) mistermaxxx | |
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Madonna's development has been along and enriching process. She burst onto the scene in 1983 with a killer dance record filled with infectious grooves. There aren't any ballads here, nor is there any filler. However, there also isn't much depth. With 1984's "Like a Virgin," Madonna took the crown as pop queen while throwing a little more controversy into the mix.
By the time "True Blue" came out in 1986, Madonna featured a much more adult image with songs such as "Papa Don't Preach" and "Live to Tell," which showcase a more serious side. A remix album and a soundtrack followed in 1987. In 1989, Madonna released "Like a Prayer," the first completely cohesive indication that she wanted to be taken as a serious artist. Filled with emotional tracks about her past, Madonna tried to exorcise her demons with this album and her fans responded, launching the title track to number 1 in both the US and the UK. She had 3 more top 10 hits in both the UK and US, proving that her songs with messages could perform well also. In 1990, she released her biggest single to date, "Vogue," and received criticism for its sexually-themed video. Angered by the double-standard of a society that allowed men to objectify women, Madonna reacted with the even racier "Justify My Love" with an over-the-top video that got banned. Regardless, the song was a smash. Her "fuck off" attitude continued with 1992's "Erotica," which showcased a badass Madonna in an album that has more to do with jazz than with pop. A big risk, it was somewhat of a flop in the sales department, as was the follow-up "Bedtime Stories," which was an amalgam of songs under different producers. 1995's "Something to Remember" is a collection of ballads that spanned her career up to that point and was very adult-oriented. This maturity continued into the next year when she starred in "Evita" and released the 5x platinum sountrack. Children were soon to follow, and the nourishment and ecstasy that they provided were prevalent in her next release, the critically and commercially acclaimed "Ray of Light" from 1998. Now 40, this album proved that Madonna was not just going to ride off into the sunset. This album matches the artistry of "Like a Prayer" but with 10 more years under her belt. It now is certified as 4x platinum. In 2000 she answered the pressure to follow "Ray of Light" with the equally acclaimed "Music," which proves that Madonna can still craft the catchiest of pop tunes with the underlying edge of the underground. It also contains some of her most serious and experimental material to date, such as "Gone," "Paradise (Not for Me)" and the B-side "Cyberraga." What is in store for her next release? Who knows? Madonna will continue to grow and change as an artist and have millions watching her every move. [This message was edited Mon Sep 9 21:04:02 PDT 2002 by Moonbeam] | |
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Aaron said: she is a woman of singular vision. that's all there is to it.
i gotta disagree with this statement...maddy has mastered the art of media manipulation and has been very sucessful at molding other people's visions for her own profit... Like Enorphin74 said: One thing I'll add is that Madonna is wordly, she's never quit listening to new music or paying attention to what is on the cutting edge..Her knack for staying current is key to her continued relevence. Notice that she continues to surround herself with djs, producers and musicians who are at the forefront of "today's sounds". Thank GOD she hasn't holed up in a cave with Larry Graham and decided to live in the past instead of continuing to grow... (sorry, I couldn't resist) maddy's a shrewed intelligent woman, but i cant shake the image that she is just an ambulance chancer...finding the next artist to steal from... after all, her current orbit inspired sound was being done 7 years prior. madonna does it and everyone thinks its new...  ...ditto vogueing. not that *thats* bad..she is a genuise at marketing all her products...but, the growth some people hear in her music, i see more as an improved choice of collaboraters on her part.
and moonbeam, put some paragraphs in that last post..im, interested in reading it, but the length scared me away.  | |
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SkletonKee said: and moonbeam, put some paragraphs in that last post..im, interested in reading it, but the length scared me away.
Better now? | |
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thanks moonbeam,
however, i disagree with the statement that Music was just as critically recieved as Ray of Light..I do recall reading a lot more negative reviews of the album...calling it Ray-light...so, with that in mind, im sure maddy will find a whole knew style of song to bite...rumour has it she is growing addicted to her guitar playing so something tells me a Sheryl Crowe sounding style might be coming in the future? nahhh..she to easy for her...whatever or whomever she bites, im sure it will shock the world.
btw: is that your essay moon? or a copy/paste job? good read. | |
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SkletonKee said: thanks moonbeam,
however, i disagree with the statement that Music was just as critically recieved as Ray of Light..I do recall reading a lot more negative reviews of the album...calling it Ray-light...so, with that in mind, im sure maddy will find a whole knew style of song to bite...rumour has it she is growing addicted to her guitar playing so something tells me a Sheryl Crowe sounding style might be coming in the future? nahhh..she to easy for her...whatever or whomever she bites, im sure it will shock the world.
btw: is that your essay moon? or a copy/paste job? good read. The major album reviewers all laud "Music". I haven't read many negative reviews. Rumor has it that the next Madonna release will feature a rockier sound, showcasing the guitar work that she has honed in the past few years. This ain't no essay- I just came up with it off the top of my head. Thanks for your input! | |
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AnotherLoverHolenYoHead said: Let me guess--you don't like Britney's music much, but you like to look at her, right?
erm... somehow i doubt that  | |
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I liked Madonna's very early music. She lost me after she went totally pop. WB signed her as the female version of Prince (I feel for competition purposes). Used his same tactics, plus more boldness and vulgarity because she was more open, outspoken, less eccentric and more accessible and acceptable to the commercial (white) masses, went farther, became more beloved and adored because she's a white woman, pretty good businesswoman, image changer, bad actress and finally so-so singer. Lennytunia | |
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lennytunia said: I liked Madonna's very early music. She lost me after she went totally pop. WB signed her as the female version of Prince (I feel for competition purposes). Used his same tactics, plus more boldness and vulgarity because she was more open, outspoken, less eccentric and more accessible and acceptable to the commercial (white) masses, went farther, became more beloved and adored because she's a white woman, pretty good businesswoman, image changer, bad actress and finally so-so singer.
more vulgarity? please! Madonna has never really been vulgar in her music, even in lusty songs like Justify My Love or Erotica. it's all about the double-entendre with her. there is no way you can say that she's ever been more vulgar musically than Prince. Sister? Head? Jack U Off? There's very little room to find any other meaning in those songs, whereas in Madonna's music, there might be the initial shock (Like A Virgin, Justify My Love, etc) but when you dig deeper, it isn't really that shocking what she's saying. Image and presentation are another matter, but her music has never been vulgar. | |
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subyduby said: please discuss. thank-you.
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lennytunia said: I liked Madonna's very early music. She lost me after she went totally pop.
I always meet people who tell me "I prefer her early music".For me,it's just the opposite.I actually prefer her recent stuff.Her new music is more mature,introspective and much more compelling than the early albums.Madonna is one artist whose music gets better as she gets older (usually,it's the other way around). | |
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SkletonKee said: Aaron said: she is a woman of singular vision. that's all there is to it.
i gotta disagree with this statement...maddy has mastered the art of media manipulation and has been very sucessful at molding other people's visions for her own profit... Like Enorphin74 said: One thing I'll add is that Madonna is wordly, she's never quit listening to new music or paying attention to what is on the cutting edge..Her knack for staying current is key to her continued relevence. Notice that she continues to surround herself with djs, producers and musicians who are at the forefront of "today's sounds". Thank GOD she hasn't holed up in a cave with Larry Graham and decided to live in the past instead of continuing to grow... (sorry, I couldn't resist) maddy's a shrewed intelligent woman, but i cant shake the image that she is just an ambulance chancer...finding the next artist to steal from... after all, her current orbit inspired sound was being done 7 years prior. madonna does it and everyone thinks its new... ...ditto vogueing. not that *thats* bad..she is a genuise at marketing all her products...but, the growth some people hear in her music, i see more as an improved choice of collaboraters on her part.
and moonbeam, put some paragraphs in that last post..im, interested in reading it, but the length scared me away. Madonna doesn't "steal" from other artists.She is simply making the type of music that SHE likes,whether it's "trendy" or not.Madonna started her career as a dance music artist,so naturally,she's in touch with the club scene and what's hot on the streets.She gets her inspiration from many different sources,but that's a good thing.It keeps her music fresh,new and invigorating. "her current orbit inspired sound was being done seven years prior" William Orbit was mainly known for making killer techno remixes for many artists,including Prince.But he had never really produced an entire album for a mainstream artist before.And he wasn't exactly a "safe" choice to work with,since he didn't exactly have a string of Number One songs in his resume.On 'Music',Madonna worked with a virtual unknown producer, Mirwais.'Music' is unquestionably the most unique-sounding album that Madonna ever made.I consider that "growth". | |
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All I can say without writing a book on her is that she keeps getting Better and better. Always been a Fan from the Beginning. First concert besides Prince's that I went to as a child. Maddie is Wonderful. | |
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Moonbeam said: Madonna's development has been along and enriching process. She burst onto the scene in 1983 with a killer dance record filled with infectious grooves. There aren't any ballads here, nor is there any filler. However, there also isn't much depth. With 1984's "Like a Virgin," Madonna took the crown as pop queen while throwing a little more controversy into the mix.
By the time "True Blue" came out in 1986, Madonna featured a much more adult image with songs such as "Papa Don't Preach" and "Live to Tell," which showcase a more serious side. A remix album and a soundtrack followed in 1987. In 1989, Madonna released "Like a Prayer," the first completely cohesive indication that she wanted to be taken as a serious artist. Filled with emotional tracks about her past, Madonna tried to exorcise her demons with this album and her fans responded, launching the title track to number 1 in both the US and the UK. She had 3 more top 10 hits in both the UK and US, proving that her songs with messages could perform well also. In 1990, she released her biggest single to date, "Vogue," and received criticism for its sexually-themed video. Angered by the double-standard of a society that allowed men to objectify women, Madonna reacted with the even racier "Justify My Love" with an over-the-top video that got banned. Regardless, the song was a smash. Her "fuck off" attitude continued with 1992's "Erotica," which showcased a badass Madonna in an album that has more to do with jazz than with pop. A big risk, it was somewhat of a flop in the sales department, as was the follow-up "Bedtime Stories," which was an amalgam of songs under different producers. 1995's "Something to Remember" is a collection of ballads that spanned her career up to that point and was very adult-oriented. This maturity continued into the next year when she starred in "Evita" and released the 5x platinum sountrack. Children were soon to follow, and the nourishment and ecstasy that they provided were prevalent in her next release, the critically and commercially acclaimed "Ray of Light" from 1998. Now 40, this album proved that Madonna was not just going to ride off into the sunset. This album matches the artistry of "Like a Prayer" but with 10 more years under her belt. It now is certified as 4x platinum. In 2000 she answered the pressure to follow "Ray of Light" with the equally acclaimed "Music," which proves that Madonna can still craft the catchiest of pop tunes with the underlying edge of the underground. It also contains some of her most serious and experimental material to date, such as "Gone," "Paradise (Not for Me)" and the B-side "Cyberraga." What is in store for her next release? Who knows? Madonna will continue to grow and change as an artist and have millions watching her every move. [This message was edited Mon Sep 9 21:04:02 PDT 2002 by Moonbeam] Moonbeam , that was a well written overview of her musical career. | |
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SkletonKee said: Rumour has it she is growing addicted to her guitar playing so something tells me a Sheryl Crowe sounding style might be coming in the future? nahhh..she to easy for her...whatever or whomever she bites, im sure it will shock the world.
Actually,Madonna's new CD is shaping up to be another eclectic,unpredictable collection of songs that will surprise people.Unlike Janet,who basically keeps making the same album over and over,Madonna is interested in new and exciting sounds and styles.Here's an exclusive look at her upcoming CD and what you can expect.Keep in mind that,these are songs I have only *HEARD ABOUT*,and who knows if they will make the final tracklist? ***"Believe Her"---Madonna has asked Dr.Dre to help her out with this tune.It's rumored to be a hot dance track. ***"Liquid Love"---This song was produced with William Orbit in 2000 during the 'Music' sessions.Reportedly,Maddy is re-working this track for inclusion on the new CD. ***"La Petit"---Another William Orbit collaboration from 2000 that is being re-worked for the new CD. ***"Die Another Day"---This is the theme song from the upcoming James Bond film of the same name.I already have a poor-quality version of this song.It's an uptempo dance track with a catchy chorus,strong melody and lots of electronic voices. ***"Unless It's You"---MTV news mentioned this song,so it does exist.An insider says it's unlike anything Madonna has ever done! ***"Ziggy Stardust"---Yes,Maddy has recorded a remake of the 1972 David Bowie classic.Somehow,I doubt that it will appear on the album. ***"Rock Vanity"---this is rumored to be the title track. I've also heard about other songs like "Mysore Smile","Run" and "El Paraiso Rico" which MAY appear on the album as well.I'm trying not to get too excited until we have a final tracklist.The CD isn't due until March 2003 (according to Warners),so we will hear alot of rumors before then...lol...This month,Madonna goes into the studio with the French duo Air to record a few tracks. | |
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DavidEye said: William Orbit was mainly known for making killer techno remixes for many artists,including Prince.But he had never really produced an entire album for a mainstream artist before.And he wasn't exactly a "safe" choice to work with,since he didn't exactly have a string of Number One songs in his resume.On .
maddy safe? never..but, listen to Orbit's re-structuring of "Staring at the Sun" by Wendy and Lisa from 92. And dont tell me that doesnt sounds like the lot off of Ray of Light...but, the question at hand is about maddy's growth...well, until she starts making killer music on her own, sans all the genius co-writers and producers..i really cant look at it as *her* growth...i look at it as shrewd business decisions...and i give her credit and respect for it... | |
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SkletonKee said: DavidEye said: William Orbit was mainly known for making killer techno remixes for many artists,including Prince.But he had never really produced an entire album for a mainstream artist before.And he wasn't exactly a "safe" choice to work with,since he didn't exactly have a string of Number One songs in his resume.On .
maddy safe? never..but, listen to Orbit's re-structuring of "Staring at the Sun" by Wendy and Lisa from 92. And dont tell me that doesnt sounds like the lot off of Ray of Light...but, the question at hand is about maddy's growth...well, until she starts making killer music on her own, sans all the genius co-writers and producers..i really cant look at it as *her* growth...i look at it as shrewd business decisions...and i give her credit and respect for it... Hey SkeletonKee you're absolutely right...the remix of "Staring at the Sun" is frightfully similar to the style of Ray of Light...I had not even made the connection until you mentioned it...by the way I have a question for you SkeletonKee that you might know the answer to...The horn arrangements from the song "Skeleton Key" are those original or did Eric Leeds get them from somewhere else? There's a song in Arrested Developments debut record that has the exact same horn arrangement...do you know what I'm talking about? I think it's the song "Children Play with Earth," but I'm not sure...anyway, just thought I'd ask... As for Madonna...I like her and my favorite record is Erotica but I would like to hear something where it's just Madonna and not the producer or the trend of the summer dance floors in the background... 
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TheResistor said: Hey SkeletonKee you're absolutely right...the remix of "Staring at the Sun" is frightfully similar to the style of Ray of Light...I had not even made the connection until you mentioned it...by the way I have a question for you SkeletonKee that you might know the answer to...The horn arrangements from the song "Skeleton Key" are those original or did Eric Leeds get them from somewhere else? There's a song in Arrested Developments debut record that has the exact same horn arrangement...do you know what I'm talking about? I think it's the song "Children Play with Earth," but I'm not sure...anyway, just thought I'd ask...
as far as i know, Skeleton Key is an original composition with Horn arrangments by Eric Leeds...I too never understood why Wendy and Lisa didnt recieve credit for the tune...expecially since the drum licks are identical...Good ear there bub!! | |
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DavidEye said: Actually,Madonna's new CD is shaping up to be another eclectic,unpredictable collection of songs that will surprise people.
I always love your posts on Madonna - its like you are her PR man. You enthusiasm seems endless. | |
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last year, for her MUSIC album, i seen her do commercials and promate a bit. she also sold her songs for some commercials.
in the 80s and even 90s, exactly what were her excellent business desicions or her marketing techniques anyway? and since she has several Flop movies, how did that happen if maddy was the biggest female star?isn't there big news around her movies just becuase she is such a star? i also were reading at a madonna forum that her albums from the 80s( at the time they were released) sold only 5 million. she sold several albums at 5 million copies, right? then how come her greatest hits collection: Immaculate collection sold 24 million? how was the marketing techniques for that then? | |
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Aaron said: lennytunia said: I liked Madonna's very early music. She lost me after she went totally pop. WB signed her as the female version of Prince (I feel for competition purposes). Used his same tactics, plus more boldness and vulgarity because she was more open, outspoken, less eccentric and more accessible and acceptable to the commercial (white) masses, went farther, became more beloved and adored because she's a white woman, pretty good businesswoman, image changer, bad actress and finally so-so singer.
more vulgarity? please! Madonna has never really been vulgar in her music, even in lusty songs like Justify My Love or Erotica. it's all about the double-entendre with her. there is no way you can say that she's ever been more vulgar musically than Prince. Sister? Head? Jack U Off? There's very little room to find any other meaning in those songs, whereas in Madonna's music, there might be the initial shock (Like A Virgin, Justify My Love, etc) but when you dig deeper, it isn't really that shocking what she's saying. Image and presentation are another matter, but her music has never been vulgar. Lennytunia | |
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Aaron, Madonna added to the slutty, and vulgar image by exposing herself nude and in compromising positions with everyone and everything (including dogs) in that Sex Book! She spouted rude, obnoxious comments at people while sadistically laughing with others! Publicly seducing men and women (whether they were attached or unattached, camera on or off). I've never witnessed Prince performing those acts. If he did, I think he would have been banned from the music industry as a sick pervert. She's receiving passes left and right in everything and you know the answer to that! If that ain't vulgar, I don't know what is! Please! Lennytunia | |
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lennytunia said: Aaron, Madonna added to the slutty, and vulgar image by exposing herself nude and in compromising positions with everyone and everything (including dogs) in that Sex Book! She spouted rude, obnoxious comments at people while sadistically laughing with others! Publicly seducing men and women (whether they were attached or unattached, camera on or off). I've never witnessed Prince performing those acts. If he did, I think he would have been banned from the music industry as a sick pervert. She's receiving passes left and right in everything and you know the answer to that! If that ain't vulgar, I don't know what is! Please!
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