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mimi07 said: asg said: Sony is paying for it! althought it will be included in the ATV catalogue i dont think MJ will benefit unless he pays part of it!
MJ share of the ATV is less then 25% now and was about 50% just a few yrs back Michael is still 50% owner of Sony/ATV under his new trust New Horizon Trust. Sony/ATV as an entity will pay for the purchase of the Viacom/Famous music, Michael personally doesn't have to give a dime neither does Sony...its SONY/ATV the company that is purchasing famous music.Michael's SONY/ATV has always been owned by him via his trusts,he owned his 50% under MJ-ATV trust but now he's moved MJATV & MJPT to New Horizon Trust where he is 100% owner of his trust so essentially it is Michael owning 50% of Sony/ATV. [Edited 5/31/07 14:39pm] why would sony pay 100% and MJ get any benefit?? it doesnt make any sense |
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He'd probably pay for it out of his share of the profits. | |
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Axchi696 said: Great, now Michael can whore out Eminem's songs like he did with the Beatles catalog. Everytime I hear "Hello GoodBUY" on that Target commercial, I see red.
See there, thats what Slim Shady get for messing with the King Of Pop. Payback's a bytch!!! 
This is also bad on mainstream hip-hop, because it shows that most rappers (past & present) can't even maintain sole ownership of their publishing rights OR their master tapes/discs.  | |
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lilgish said: Cinnamon234 said: Go MIKE! I bet Eminem must be pissed about this.why? It probably means more money. But Eminem doesn't own his own publishing rights OR masters. THAT'S the real bad news. BTW, Interscope/Universial still keep the masters. | |
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Cinnamon234 said: lilgish said: Big deal, I've never even heard the song Without Me, is really notable out of those 125,000 songs, seems ppl want to make a big deal because it's eminem. Possibly, but MJ & Eminem did have that feud going on a few years ago so it is kind of a big deal that MJ now owns the rights to two of his biggest songs....But you've never heard of "Without Me"? Hmm...That was a bit hit for Eminem and "The Real Slim Shady" is probably Eminem's biggest song to date. Exactly. | |
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Afronomical said: Wow, what a businessman. His collection of ownership just grows and grows, ya gotta applaud that. [Uncalled for snip - luv4u]
 MJ gets that kind of protection here when there are tons of jokes about R Kelly and his sexual underaged romps and other artists and their drug-related run-ins?Make Afros not War   | |
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Axchi696 said: Great, now Michael can whore out Eminem's songs like he did with the Beatles catalog. Everytime I hear "Hello GoodBUY" on that Target commercial, I see red.
How do you feel when you hear songs from the cataloge that Paul owns; especially Buddy Holly songs? Paul "whores" the majority of the songs in his catalogue. Btw, that's the purpose of buying song catalogues. It is a business venture.The songs are meant to be commercialized. The Beatles are no different from anyone else. If other artists music can be commercialized,then so can their music.F$%^&# double standards. | |
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asg said: Sony is paying for it! althought it will be included in the ATV catalogue i dont think MJ will benefit unless he pays part of it!
MJ share of the ATV is less then 25% now and was about 50% just a few yrs back MJ STILL owns 50% of the Sony/ATV catalogue. The 25% bullshit came from Roger Friedman, the obsessed MJ fanatic. | |
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skyecute said: Axchi696 said: Great, now Michael can whore out Eminem's songs like he did with the Beatles catalog. Everytime I hear "Hello GoodBUY" on that Target commercial, I see red.
How do you feel when you hear songs from the cataloge that Paul owns; especially Buddy Holly songs? Paul "whores" the majority of the songs in his catalogue. Btw, that's the purpose of buying song catalogues. It is a business venture.The songs are meant to be commercialized. The Beatles are no different from anyone else. If other artists music can be commercialized,then so can their music.F$%^&# double standards. THANK YOU!!!!....thank you for stating that! Its just so funny to me how some people refuse to acknowledge this. Paul McCartney owns other artists music too and allows them to be used commercial, where is all the outrage at that???...yeah, bunch of hypocrits! | |
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ReggaeQueen said: THANK YOU!!!!....thank you for stating that! Its just so funny to me how some people refuse to acknowledge this. Paul McCartney owns other artists music too and allows them to be used commercial, where is all the outrage at that???...yeah, bunch of hypocrits! exactly, I agree with you, Paul owns many rights of other artists songs and he used them for commercials however the media and some people always tend to criticize Mj , groaning and moaning why Sony music used Beatles songs from his catalogue for commercial, anyone who criticizes Mj for this issue needs to get a life, the double standard and hypocrisy is obvious , I don’t know why Mj should be treated differently.. MICHAEL JACKSON
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There is always something about Michael Jackson that makes you want to root for him. | |
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Axchi696 said: Great, now Michael can whore out Eminem's songs like he did with the Beatles catalog. Everytime I hear "Hello GoodBUY" on that Target commercial, I see red.
I love that ad. | |
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skyecute said: Axchi696 said: Great, now Michael can whore out Eminem's songs like he did with the Beatles catalog. Everytime I hear "Hello GoodBUY" on that Target commercial, I see red.
How do you feel when you hear songs from the cataloge that Paul owns; especially Buddy Holly songs? Paul "whores" the majority of the songs in his catalogue. Btw, that's the purpose of buying song catalogues. It is a business venture.The songs are meant to be commercialized. The Beatles are no different from anyone else. If other artists music can be commercialized,then so can their music.F$%^&# double standards. Hey, guess what, I'm not defending Paul McCartney. It's the music that Paul McCartney created that means something to me. I'm not going to defend his actions, and I don't think that exploiting the back catalogs of other artists is right in any situation, no matter who does it. The Beatles' music is what really means something to me; that's why I don't like hearing one of their songs in a commercial for a shoe, a department store, or a television. But I'm not going to get dragged into some silly debate with MJ fans, it's just not worth it. I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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Let's really think,....Will that be a good deal in the long run? Seems like the bloom is off Eminem's rose (or whatever the expression is). It's getting old and boring and I really don't think those songs will have a good shelf life. Could be wrong.
Kind of surprised that both Beck and Bjork (and to a lesser degree, Shakira) don't own their own songs. I figure those are artists who would own their stuff (especially considering all those Bjork rereleases). | |
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at least he owns the rights to decent musicians in his life.. i can't say the same for his lame ass catalog, regardless of how popular he once was.. | |
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Axchi696 said: Great, now Michael can whore out Eminem's songs like he did with the Beatles catalog. Everytime I hear "Hello GoodBUY" on that Target commercial, I see red.
good one"Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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TonyVanDam said: Cinnamon234 said: Possibly, but MJ & Eminem did have that feud going on a few years ago so it is kind of a big deal that MJ now owns the rights to two of his biggest songs....But you've never heard of "Without Me"? Hmm...That was a bit hit for Eminem and "The Real Slim Shady" is probably Eminem's biggest song to date. Exactly. Eminem himself said the feud was bullshit... Eminem is a HUUUUUGE MJ fan So huge i think he's on this site his name is Cloudbus... lemme stop... don't wanna blow up his spot I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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I just had a look at the Sony/ATV website and found out that Michael owns stuff written by all these mofos...
Babyface Beck Billy Mann Chantal Kreviazuk Cory Rooney Crossfade Cyndi Lauper David Crosby Destiny's Child Fall Out Boy Graham Nash Jesse Harris Joe Jackson John Mayer Joni Mitchell Katie Melua KT Tunstall Lauryn Hill Lennon & McCartney Leonard Cohen Lyfe Jennings Marc Anthony Maxwell Mikkel Eriksen Miles Davis Neil Diamond Nile Rodgers Richie Sambora Rise Against Sade Sarah McLachlan Stephen Stills Stevie Nicks System Of A Down Teddy Geiger The Wreckers Walter Afanasieff We Are Scientists Wyclef Jean What I also found interesting is that Sony/ATV owns very few MJ songs... Don't Walk Away You Rock My World On The Line Human Nature Break of Dawn Fall Again You Are My Life And only a few Jacksons songs... Time Waits For No One Can You Feel It Torture Walk Right Now Wondering Who Your Ways [Edited 6/1/07 1:52am] | |
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the "kop" lets this happen: http://www.lasvegasvegas...._today.php
and he buys eminem songs right  what a loser! | |
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jn2 said: the "kop" lets this happen: http://www.lasvegasvegas...._today.php
and he buys eminem songs right what a loser!he was going to go to court about it but they settled out of court with michael removing the items he wanted from the auction michael owns the full rights to most his songs and videos under a different company thats why they arent on the sony/ATV catelogue [Edited 6/1/07 4:57am] With Love there is no Death | |
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Sdldawn said: at least he owns the rights to decent musicians in his life.. i can't say the same for his lame ass catalog, regardless of how popular he once was..
absurd. | |
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I like the way this article explains how the whole thing went down.
Viacom sells music catalog to Sony-ATV
by MT Bureau - May 31, 2007 - 0 comments New York -- Viacom agreed to sell New York-based Famous Music, with its diverse song catalog spanning seven decades, to Sony-ATV Music Publishing for $370 million. The agreement, announced Wednesday, came after an extensive auction attracted interest from private equity investors and Universal Music Group, The New York Times reported. Sony-ATV is a partnership between Sony and the singer Michael Jackson. Famous Music, Viacom's worldwide music publishing division, is a publishing catalog with rights to roughly 125,000 songs, ranging from "Moon River" to " Hips Don't Lie." Its stable of songwriters include Akron and Shakira. Viacom, which operates cable channels such as MTV and Nickelodeon, put it up for auction after concluding the catalog wasn't a core asset. Famous' catalog also includes film scores, such as themes from "The Godfather" and "Beverly Hills Cop." Viacom took over the business as part of its acquisition of the Paramount movie studio. Sony has been in the market for publishing catalogs, which generate income when their songs are used in television shows or films, played on the radio or recorded. http://www.themoneytimes....04303.html [Edited 6/1/07 13:27pm] MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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British tabs should read now:
JACKO IS A MACK.  | |
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TonyVanDam said: lilgish said: why? It probably means more money. But Eminem doesn't own his own publishing rights OR masters. THAT'S the real bad news. BTW, Interscope/Universial still keep the masters. all artists use publishing companies. the artist who wrote the song gets a precenatage that stays with the artist and the publishing company gets a percantage. ATV just ones the publishing part of the songs. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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asg said: mimi07 said: Michael is still 50% owner of Sony/ATV under his new trust New Horizon Trust. Sony/ATV as an entity will pay for the purchase of the Viacom/Famous music, Michael personally doesn't have to give a dime neither does Sony...its SONY/ATV the company that is purchasing famous music.Michael's SONY/ATV has always been owned by him via his trusts,he owned his 50% under MJ-ATV trust but now he's moved MJATV & MJPT to New Horizon Trust where he is 100% owner of his trust so essentially it is Michael owning 50% of Sony/ATV. [Edited 5/31/07 14:39pm] why would sony pay 100% and MJ get any benefit?? it doesnt make any sense Sony/ATV is a company which operates separately from Michael Jackson or Sony. It is a business that generates it's own money, Some of that money is plowed back into the company for extending the business. It is that money and money borrowed in the companies name that pays for the purchases, not Mj's money or sony's money, but the companies money. In law a company operates as if it was a person and is accountable for it's actions as if it were human. Neither Michael or Sony paid for the purchase, of couse both are equal owners of the company. "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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