LittleBLUECorvette said:

Not bad. Under my criteria, I see Sam Cooke and Jackie as the "same" so for both to be in the top 10. I wouldn't have them both, and maybe even Otis Redding as well. 1 or the other.

Also, I'd replace Sly with P but you knew that already.

Afronomical said:

Jackie and Sam were not the same, they both had the same great voice but thats just about it. Jackie's performance's and shows were on a whole 'nother level. He also performed in a lot more of the 'chitlin circuit' venues the Sam.


Sam was deeply rooted in gospel more then 'Mr. Excitement' Also their audiences were, while being the same were also very different.


Otis was more 'soulful' hen both.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Very true, Sam was more balladeer and jackie was more showman.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Interesting start.

If you go by a strict definition of R&B/Soul based on its origins, i'll be curious to see if you can get out of the late 50s, definitely the 60s and most of the 70s without running out of spots.

That's what happened to me.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

theAudience said:

The hardest part I have is on some of the great bluesman.
-B.B. King
-Bobby Blue Bland
-Big Joe Turner
-Little Milton
ect.


I'm having a tough choice if these guys should be in the top 100 or not. They road on that fine line between southern R&B and Blues. Similar to Bobby Womack, Johnny Taylor and the likes but they were more down home Soul.


And then you have folks like Gil Scott-Heron and Nina Simone who make it even tougher on whats R&B.

As I promised yesterday, here is the Greatest R&B artist 11 through 30. This was pretty tough.



11.) Smokey Robinson [ & the Miracles ]
12.) Curtis Mayfield [ & the Impressions ]
13.) Parliament / Funkadelic [ George Clinton, Bootsy’s Rubber Band ]
14.) Prince
15.) Al Green
16.) Michael Jackson
17.) The Temptations
18.) Etta James
19.) Chuck Berry
20.) The Drifters


At first I couldn't decide if Smokey Robinson / Miracles and Curtis Mayfield / Impressions should be seperated or linked together.

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21.) The Jackson 5 / The Jacksons
22.) Luther Vandross
23.) Diana Ross [ & the Supremes ]
24.) Barry White
25.) Gladys Knight & the Pips
26.) Isaac Hayes
27.) The Four Tops
28.) Earth, Wind & Fire
29.) Clyde McPhatter
30.) Martha & the Vandellas


The same for Diana Ross / Supremes.

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Tomorrow I will hit y'all with artist 31 all the way through 60.

Here are some important writers and producers heavly involved in R&B.
Obviously I didn't name some artrist because they are included in the top 100. So if you don't see an important writer/producer, they made top hundred.

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Writers / Producers


-Holland-Dozier-Holland
-Berry Gordy
-Quincy Jones
-Ashford & Simpson
-Harvey Fuqua
-Rod Temperton
-Johnny Otis
-The Corporation
-Gamble & Huff
-Thom Bell
-Dick Griffey & Leon Sylvers
-Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis
-Babyface & L.A. Reid
-Teddy Riley
-The Neptunes

Nice to see Ray Charles on some lists.

TheoHuxtable said:

Can't have a top R&B list without dude.

As I promised, here is the Greatest 31 through 60.



31.) B.B. King
32.) The Platters
33.) Sam & Dave
34.) Donny Hathaway
35.) The Coasters
36.) Booker T & the MG's
37.) The Flamingos
38.) The Ohio Players
39.) The O'Jays
40.) The Isley Brothers


B.B. King, it was real tough puttin' him on this list. Do y'all think he belongs here or not.

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41.) Ruth Brown
42.) The Delfonics
43.) Little Willie John
44.) Ike & Tina Turner
45.) Solomon Burke
46.) Dionne Warwick
47.) Joe Tex
48.) The Dells
49.) Kool & the Gang
50.) The Spinners

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51.) Little Anthony & the Imperials
52.) Rufus / Chaka Khan
53.) Lou Rawls
54.) Patti LaBelle [ & the BlueBelles / LaBelle ]
55.) The Stylistics
56.) Johnnie Taylor
57.) Jerry Butler
58.) Bobby Womack
59.) Bobby "Blue" Bland
60.) The Emotions


Booby "Blue" Bland, the same as B.B. King, might just be a little to musch Blues.

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Tomorrow I drop the last part, artist 61 all the way through 100.
[Edited 6/8/07 15:55pm]

i could see a Top 10, but top 100, geeez.

well it is called Rhythm and BLUES so you're still dead on it with that.

Good list by they way.

Afronomical said:

Never thought of it that way.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Here are some important backie banns/backing vocalist & instrumentalist heavly involved in R&B.
Obviously I didn't name some artrist because they are included in the top 100. So if you don't see an important writer/producer, they made top hundred.

Credit theAudience with alot of these names



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Backing Bands / Vocalist ...
The Funk Brothers
MFSB
The Mar-Keys
The Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section
The Sweet Inspirations
The Blossoms
The SalSoul Orchestra
SweatBack


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Instrumentalist / Session Musicians...
Allen Toussaint (Pianist)
Johnny Otis (Guitar)
Billy Preston (Organist / Pianist)
Jimmy Smith (Organist)
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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Add Sweetback under backing bands.

Here you go, 61 through number 90. What do y'all think of the list so far? Is someone to high, to low.



61.) Louis Jordan
62.) Rick James
63.) The Commodores
64.) Teddy Pendergrass
65.) Janet Jackson
66.) Whitney Houston
67.) The Bar-Kays
68.) En Vogue
69.) The Meters
70.) Wilson Pickett


Lousis Jordan while into Jazz in his early career was a major influnece in the creation of the R&B style.

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71.) Johnny "Guitar" Watson
72.) Mary Wells
73.) Fats Domino
74.) War
75.) The Dramatics
76.) Cameo
77.) Roy Brown
78.) Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes
79.) The Staple Singers
80.) The Clovers


Roy Brown was a major blues player that was a for runner to the soul shouters like JB and Otis.

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81.) The Moonglows
82.) King Curtis
83.) The Marvelettes
84.) Babyface
85.) Charles Wright & the Watts 103rd Street Rhythm Band
86.) The Five Stairsteps
87.) Mariah Carey
88.) The Orioles
89.) Hank Ballard (& the Midnighters)
90.) Zapp


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Tomorrow will be the last 91 through 100 and the arist that were real close.

Uh-oh. En Vogue ahead of Fats Domino, Wilson Pickett, Babyface, The Dramatics, Harold Melvin, Mariah, Zapp, Cameo, and the Staples Singers? - I don't know about that, bro.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Whitney Houston and Janet Jackson ranked higher than Cameo, Bar-Kays, The Meters Johnny 'Guitar' Watson?!?

Johnny 'Guitar' Watson influenced people like Sly and Jimi. He is a legend and deserves to be much higher on the list. The fact that you placed him below Janet Jackson and Whitney Houston is just...

FuNkeNsteiN said:

all he can do is play guitar ....he aint on the same level as janet

mirrorbestfriend said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:

Where would you put Johnny on the list.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Well, higher up than Mariah, Whitney, Janet and all 'em...
Somewhere in the top 30 or 20 I guess.

FuNkeNsteiN said:

I'm kinda bad at ranking people
I really need to come up with my top 10 list now. I actually have some spare time for a change so...

Boom, here the rest of the list.



91.) Big Joe Turner
92.) The Chi-Lites
93.) New Edition
94.) The Ronettes
95.) Guy
96.) Jr. Walker & the All-Stars
97.) Bo Diddley
98.) D'Angelo
99.) Lavern Baker
100.) Billy Ward & the Dominoes
101.) The Shirelles



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Here are the artist that just missed out.
--I wanted to put alot of these artist on the list, but things happened--


The Moments / Ray, Goodman & Brown
Rufus Thomas
Roberta Flack
Gerald Levert (& LeVert)
Minnie Riperton
The Intruders
The Gap Band
Sade
The Time
Teena Marie
The Manhattans
Jodeci
The Brothers Johnson
Boyz II Men
Lloyd Price
Erykah Badu
Tony! Toni! Tone!
Willie Hutch
Little Milton
Slave


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So looking back at the whole list what would you change, who would you take out and who would you add. Also who would you move up and who would you move down.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Wha-whaa-whaat!??! Slave, Gap Band and Bros Johnson didn't make the list but Whitney, Janet and D'Angelo did?

FuNkeNsteiN said:

I love-love Slave but you think their more influencial then Janet. Also now twhen I look at the list, I think I have Whitney to high.
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LittleBLUECorvette said:

- D' is way too low
- Teena should be on the list especially ahead of En Vogue
- Slave should be on there as well
- Tony Toni Tone' should be on there if En Vogue is on there
- Minnie should be on there
- Boys 2 Men should be on there if New Edition is on there and especially if En Vogue is on there

I guess you can see my issue with having En Vogue on there higher than a lot of folk and then not having the above mentioned artists on there while EV is on there.