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Rick James The Barkays Lakeside Cameo Roger and Zapp The Gap Band Midnight Star One Way Con-funk-shun War The Ohio Players Mass Production Fatback Shalamar The Whispers Ebonee Webb Bobby Nunn Rafael Cameron Xavier Change Chic Donna Summer Foxy O'Bryan The Isley Brothers Trouble Funk D Train Yarbrough and Peoples Junior Dynasty The Commodores BT Express Slave Frankie Smith Freedom Sho-Nuff Cheri Skyy Bill Summers and Summers Heat Kano The Jacksons T Connection Instant Funk Stargard Patrice Rushen Brick Tom Browne Kool and the Gang Shannon Laid Back Pleasure Hot Chocolate People's Choice Leon Haywood . . [Edited 6/2/07 15:55pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Rick James The Barkays Lakeside Cameo Roger and Zapp The Gap Band Midnight Star One Way Con-funk-shun War The Ohio Players Mass Production Fatback Shalamar The Whispers Ebonee Webb Bobby Nunn Rafael Cameron Xavier Change Chic Donna Summer Foxy O'Bryan The Isley Brothers Trouble Funk D Train Yarbrough and Peoples Junior Dynasty The Commodores BT Express Slave Frankie Smith Freedom Sho-Nuff Cheri Skyy Bill Summers and Summers Heat Kano The Jacksons T Connection Instant Funk Stargard Patrice Rushen Brick Tom Browne Kool and the Gang Shannon Laid Back Pleasure Hot Chocolate People's Choice Leon Haywood . . You think they did enough to earn a spot in the top 100. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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LittleBLUECorvette said: vainandy said: Prince
Rick James The Barkays Lakeside Cameo Roger and Zapp The Gap Band Midnight Star One Way Con-funk-shun War The Ohio Players Mass Production Fatback Shalamar The Whispers Ebonee Webb Bobby Nunn Rafael Cameron Xavier Change Chic Donna Summer Foxy O'Bryan The Isley Brothers Trouble Funk D Train Yarbrough and Peoples Junior Dynasty The Commodores BT Express Slave Frankie Smith Freedom Sho-Nuff Cheri Skyy Bill Summers and Summers Heat Kano The Jacksons T Connection Instant Funk Stargard Patrice Rushen Brick Tom Browne Kool and the Gang Shannon Laid Back Pleasure Hot Chocolate People's Choice Leon Haywood . . You think they did enough to earn a spot in the top 100. Considering that boring artists like Shitney Houston and Anita Baker would end in the top 100, even if a group like Ebonee Webb only had one minor funk hit, they are much more deserving than the boring artists. Funk, funk, and more funk. Fuck anything else.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Afronomical said: krayzie said: Everybody is influenced by somebody, but what you seem to miss there is the fact that Prince in his career has done things that have already been done before, while guys like James Brown or Jimi did things that pretty much nobody had done before. And they established the norm. How to perform, dance or play instrument on stage . Exactly, so why single out P? Makes no sense. And who in R&B came out on stage in bikini drawers and high heel boots before P did  ? Who had a #1 hit without using a bassline? How many artists have come out with their own "sound" (Minneapolis Sound)? First of all, I didn't single out P, I was respondng to your question (How do you have a top 10 list without Prince but WITH Chaka Khan? ). The fact that you ask "Who had a #1 hit without using a bassline? How many artists have come out with their own "sound" (Minneapolis Sound)?" shows that you have serious lack of knowledge concerning music, and what happened BEFORE Prince. Back in the day it was the norm to come out with your own sound. You talk like P was the first artist to create his own sound. Everybody was doing that. From Jimi to Stevie, From Sly to EWF. P didn't invent nothing. He only enhanced what already existed before him.
Afronomical said: P makes the top 10 with ease, especially when you try and hold him to standards that other artists have to be held to. The man has accomplished a ton of things, created a bunch of music, and influenced a myriad of artists. To leave him off the top 10 is ridiculous and illinformed, and basically hating on his genius.
The reason why you want P to make the top 10 is because you pretty much don't know the artists who paved the way for P. I saw your short list, and it's pretty much insulting to put Prince in a top 10 list and forget about Sly. Do you know who is Sly ? Do you know who is Sly ? Sly was doing everything P has done 15 years before. P is in fact an updated version of Sly. The only things that pretty much differentiate P from Sly is the fact that P is an artist of the 80s and grew up with James Brown and Jimi Hendrix. Before thinking of Prince, you have to think of all the artists who originated and paved the way. There were Music before P. [Edited 6/2/07 18:17pm] | |
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krayzie said:[quote] Afronomical said: First of all, I didn't single out P, I was respondng to your question (How do you have a top 10 list without Prince but WITH Chaka Khan? ). The fact that you ask "Who had a #1 hit without using a bassline? How many artists have come out with their own "sound" (Minneapolis Sound)?" shows that you have serious lack of knowledge concerning music, and what happened BEFORE Prince. Back in the day it was the norm to come out with your own sound. You talk like P was the first artist to create his own sound. Everybody was doing that. From Jimi to Stevie, From Sly to EWF. P didn't invent nothing. He only enhanced what already existed before him.
Afronomical said: P makes the top 10 with ease, especially when you try and hold him to standards that other artists have to be held to. The man has accomplished a ton of things, created a bunch of music, and influenced a myriad of artists. To leave him off the top 10 is ridiculous and illinformed, and basically hating on his genius.
The reason why you want P to make the top 10 is because you pretty much don't know the artists who paved the way for P. I saw your short list, and it's pretty much insulting to put Prince in a top 10 list and forget about Sly. Do you know who is Sly ? Do you know who is Sly ? Sly was doing everything P has done 15 years before. P is in fact an updated version of Sly. The only things that pretty much differentiate P from Sly is the fact that P is an artist of the 80s and grew up with James Brown and Jimi Hendrix. Before thinking of Prince, you have to think of all the artists who originated and paved the way. There were Music before P. [Edited 6/2/07 18:17pm] Stop backpeddling. I called you on it and now you wanna act like you have no idea what I'm talking about and you've avoided the original question, so that tells me right there you're seriously trying to wiggle out of this one. You singled out P and once I dropped some knowledge on you about P you realized you didn't have a leg to stand on. I mean, unless you don't see having a #1 hit without a bassline "common" . Or creating a new sound in music "common" .
No one said there was nothing before P, I'm just saying NO ONE was without being influenced by someone before them, so your whole reason for excluding P holds absolutely no water. P created a hit sound. How many artists can say that? Not many. His sound influenced others as well. Again, don't try and act like P was some scrub off the street with no direction or verve. Ok, so who invented a "sound"? You keep saying P DIDN'T do anything but you have yet to tell me who did it without influences? I know why you avoid that question. So who else paved the way for P? JB, GC/P-Funk/Parliament, Jimi, and Sam Cooke for the most part. Now, are you saying NONE of those artists had people pave the way for them?
And don't try and tell me where Sly fits in at when you had absolutely no idea that Jimi jammed with The Isley's to which Jimi was obviously influenced by. Again, you can't criticize ANYONE'S list because you have yet to compile a list, why is that? I think I know the answer to that as well - You're afraid of having it broken down, so it's easier to criticize than to participate in the thread. Got it. 
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Afronomical said: Stop backpeddling. I called you on it and now you wanna act like you have no idea what I'm talking about and you've avoided the original question, so that tells me right there you're seriously trying to wiggle out of this one. You singled out P and once I dropped some knowledge on you about P you realized you didn't have a leg to stand on. I mean, unless you don't see having a #1 hit without a bassline "common" . Or creating a new sound in music "common" .
No one said there was nothing before P, I'm just saying NO ONE was without being influenced by someone before them, so your whole reason for excluding P holds absolutely no water. P created a hit sound. How many artists can say that? Not many. His sound influenced others as well. Again, don't try and act like P was some scrub off the street with no direction or verve. Ok, so who invented a "sound"? You keep saying P DIDN'T do anything but you have yet to tell me who did it without influences? I know why you avoid that question. So who else paved the way for P? JB, GC/P-Funk/Parliament, Jimi, and Sam Cooke for the most part. Now, are you saying NONE of those artists had people pave the way for them?
And don't try and tell me where Sly fits in at when you had absolutely no idea that Jimi jammed with The Isley's to which Jimi was obviously influenced by. Again, you can't criticize ANYONE'S list because you have yet to compile a list, why is that? I think I know the answer to that as well - You're afraid of having it broken down, so it's easier to criticize than to participate in the thread. Got it.
So, either man up and drop a top 10 list of your own or don't throw rocks at other people's list. You just confirmed everything I was saying in my previous post. You pretty much know little about what happened before Prince. And who established things and the ways to make musicfor P and many other artists. That's why you keep saying "P created his own sound", like if nobody did that before. That's very ignorant.
That's why I asked you if you knew Sly. And in fact you probably barely know who is Sly and what he has done as an artist, musican and performer. If you can't differentiate those who originated and those who enhanced what already existed before, if you cant recognize or even know who established the norm for P and many other acts, I simply don't know why I'm wasting my time with you, man. But if you still think that P was the first artist to create "his own sound", good for you. [Edited 6/3/07 0:27am] | |
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krayzie said: Afronomical said: I mentioned his ability to play intruments because it IS an amazing thing to know how to do regardless of who you are. Playing over 25 instruments isn't "common" not even for session musicians. And I didn't "leave out" his stage presence, I was just throwing out some things to krayzie to prove why P needs to be in the top 10. If asked for ALL the reasons why he should be top 10 then I would have gotten around to "performance" eventually. Prince is strictly a product of what happened before him. And MANY Prince fans seem to forget that. There were a lot of great rnb acts before Prince who paved the way for P and influenced him a LOT. From this point of view how could I put Prince in a top 10 list knowing that he doesn't deserve it ? I have to agree with you here. As wonderful and talented Prince is I do think he has been hugely influence by others before him. I remember when I first heard "I Wannabe your Lover" it reminded me of the Jacksons, and when I first saw him perform he reminded me of Rick James! I am not saying he is not original, but he is not as unique as people try and make him seem. Also I have never really seen Prince as R&B; I've always viewed him as a more Funk/rock kind of artist. | |
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krayzie said: Afronomical said: Stop backpeddling. I called you on it and now you wanna act like you have no idea what I'm talking about and you've avoided the original question, so that tells me right there you're seriously trying to wiggle out of this one. You singled out P and once I dropped some knowledge on you about P you realized you didn't have a leg to stand on. I mean, unless you don't see having a #1 hit without a bassline "common" . Or creating a new sound in music "common" .
No one said there was nothing before P, I'm just saying NO ONE was without being influenced by someone before them, so your whole reason for excluding P holds absolutely no water. P created a hit sound. How many artists can say that? Not many. His sound influenced others as well. Again, don't try and act like P was some scrub off the street with no direction or verve. Ok, so who invented a "sound"? You keep saying P DIDN'T do anything but you have yet to tell me who did it without influences? I know why you avoid that question. So who else paved the way for P? JB, GC/P-Funk/Parliament, Jimi, and Sam Cooke for the most part. Now, are you saying NONE of those artists had people pave the way for them?
And don't try and tell me where Sly fits in at when you had absolutely no idea that Jimi jammed with The Isley's to which Jimi was obviously influenced by. Again, you can't criticize ANYONE'S list because you have yet to compile a list, why is that? I think I know the answer to that as well - You're afraid of having it broken down, so it's easier to criticize than to participate in the thread. Got it.
So, either man up and drop a top 10 list of your own or don't throw rocks at other people's list. You just confirmed everything I was saying in my previous post. You pretty much know little about what happened before Prince. And who established things and the ways to make musicfor P and many other artists. That's why you keep saying "P created his own sound", like if nobody did that before. That's very ignorant.
That's why I asked you if you knew Sly. And in fact you probably barely know who is Sly and what he has done as an artist, musican and performer. If you can't differentiate those who originated and those who enhanced what already existed before, if you cant recognize or even know who established the norm for P and many other acts, I simply don't know why I'm wasting my time with you, man. But if you still think that P was the first artist to create "his own sound", good for you.
[Edited 6/3/07 0:27am] Still avoiding and deflecting my questions I see. 1 - Name an artist who invented a sound without an influence from another sound or artist? 2 - Name an artist(s) that didn't have any artist pave their way? 3 - Where is your top 10 list since you KNOW P doesn't deserve to be in the top 10, then who does? What you're doing is like saying "I don't believe in magic" yet you then go to a magic show and then proceed to go up to the magician and tell him "That card trick doesn't deserve to be in your show"
Stop running from the questions. Man up, Krayzie. Show us your top 10 list since you're so superior in your music knowledge over us all. Make Afros not War | |
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I see the disagreements have already started.
This will always occur when selection parameters are not specifically defined. For instance, questions like... What defines R&B? The music that was current when Jerry Wexler (who's generally credited with coining the term) came up with the category? Is is just some catch-all term? Do acts primarily known as Funk acts qualify? Since LittleBLUECorvette set the table with stlyle and influence as the criteria, here are my picks (in no particular order). The Architects: Male/Female Vocalists... Louis Jordan (also an influence on R&R) Ruth Brown Ray Charles Lavern Baker Fats Domino Hank Ballard Sam Cooke Jackie Wilson Etta James Little Richard Male/Female Vocal Groups... The Clovers The Orioles The Blossoms The Platters The Drifters The Coasters The Flamingos The Shirelles The Dells The Sweet Inspirations Instrumentalists... T-Bone Walker Allen Toussaint =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Those that fine tuned, expanded and carried on the tradition: Male/Female Vocalists... James Brown Aretha Franklin Otis Redding Solomon Burke Wilson Pickett Mavis Staples Donny Hathaway Joe Tex Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye Smokey Robinson Curtis Mayfield Tina Turner Darlene Love Al Green Isaac Hayes Teddy Pendergrass Luther Vandross Gladys Knight Patti LaBelle Bobby Womack Millie Jackson Chaka Khan Jerry Butler Mary Wells Roberta Flack Rufus Thomas Dionne Warwick Bobby "Blue" Bland Lee Dorsey Carla Thomas Betty Wright William Bell Brook Benton Johnnie Taylor Mariah Carey (pre hippity-hop period) Prince Male/Female Vocal Duo or Group... The Impressions The Supremes The Temptations The Marvelettes The Four Tops The Miracles Martha & The Vandellas The Isley Brothers Ike & Tina Turner The Stylistics The Spinners The Delfonics The O'Jays The Ronettes Sam & Dave The Manhattans The Neville Brothers The Emotions The Chi-Lites The Jackson 5 The Five Stairsteps En Vogue Self-contained Bands... The Meters Jr.Walker & The All-Stars Kool & The Gang Sly & The Family Stone Earth, Wind & Fire Parliament/Funkadelic The Commodores The Ohio Players Maze Rufus Mint Condition Instrumentalists.. Booker T. & the MGs King Curtis =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Backing Bands... The Funk Brothers The Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section The Mar-Keys The Bar-Kays MFSB SalSoul Orchestra Say what you will but these musicians had a great influence on the style and sound of countless classic R&B hits. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= If you haven't guessed by now, i'm partial to the Classic R&B sound. That's my 100... 
...and i'm sticking to it. 
Btw, save your "you forgots" or "why didn't you include" for your own 100 list. 
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theAudience said: I see the disagreements have already started.
This will always occur when selection parameters are not specifically defined. For instance, questions like... What defines R&B? The music that was current when Jerry Wexler (who's generally credited with coining the term) came up with the category? Is is just some catch-all term? Do acts primarily known as Funk acts qualify? Since LittleBLUECorvette set the table with stlyle and influence as the criteria, here are my picks (in no particular order). The Architects: Male/Female Vocalists... Louis Jordan (also an influence on R&R) Ruth Brown Ray Charles Lavern Baker Fats Domino Hank Ballard Sam Cooke Jackie Wilson Etta James Little Richard Male/Female Vocal Groups... The Clovers The Orioles The Blossoms The Platters The Drifters The Coasters The Flamingos The Shirelles The Dells The Sweet Inspirations Instrumentalists... T-Bone Walker Allen Toussaint =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Those that fine tuned, expanded and carried on the tradition: Male/Female Vocalists... James Brown Aretha Franklin Otis Redding Solomon Burke Wilson Pickett Mavis Staples Donny Hathaway Joe Tex Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye Smokey Robinson Curtis Mayfield Tina Turner Darlene Love Al Green Isaac Hayes Teddy Pendergrass Luther Vandross Gladys Knight Patti LaBelle Bobby Womack Millie Jackson Chaka Khan Jerry Butler Mary Wells Roberta Flack Rufus Thomas Dionne Warwick Bobby "Blue" Bland Lee Dorsey Carla Thomas Betty Wright William Bell Brook Benton Johnnie Taylor Mariah Carey (pre hippity-hop period) Prince Male/Female Vocal Duo or Group... The Impressions The Supremes The Temptations The Marvelettes The Four Tops The Miracles Martha & The Vandellas The Isley Brothers Ike & Tina Turner The Stylistics The Spinners The Delfonics The O'Jays The Ronettes Sam & Dave The Manhattans The Neville Brothers The Emotions The Chi-Lites The Jackson 5 The Five Stairsteps En Vogue Self-contained Bands... The Meters Jr.Walker & The All-Stars Kool & The Gang Sly & The Family Stone Earth, Wind & Fire Parliament/Funkadelic The Commodores The Ohio Players Maze Rufus Mint Condition Instrumentalists.. Booker T. & the MGs King Curtis =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Backing Bands... The Funk Brothers The Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section The Mar-Keys The Bar-Kays MFSB SalSoul Orchestra Say what you will but these musicians had a great influence on the style and sound of countless classic R&B hits. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= If you haven't guessed by now, i'm partial to the Classic R&B sound. That's my 100...
...and i'm sticking to it.
Btw, save your "you forgots" or "why didn't you include" for your own 100 list.
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theodore said: oh please... VH1 will put Usher on top of the list
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FuNkeNsteiN said: Afronomical said: How do you have a top 10 list without Prince but WITH Chaka Khan?  Prince does not deserve to be in the top 10. Top 20 maybe, but not the top 10. Prince within the Top 15. And that's my final answer! | |
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Afronomical said: FuNkeNsteiN said: Prince does not deserve to be in the top 10. Top 20 maybe, but not the top 10.
Yeah, he's only a musical genius and one of the most prolific artists of our day. Been in the game since the late 70s, Grammy, AMA, Academy Award-winner, and a multi-instrumentalist to boot but nah, he don't deserve top 10.
If Stevie deserves top 10, so does P. Simple as that. [Edited 6/1/07 15:00pm] .....and don't forget James Brown, Barry White, Smokey Robinson, Marvin Gaye, & Aretha Frankin. That's a lot of soulful egos to make room for in the Top 10. | |
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Afronomical said: BlaqueKnight said: guitar, bass, drums, keys and a little harmonica (not like Stevie)
He plays well, though. So where'd they get (27) from? I remember reading that back in the day. Or did they mean instruments within the same category like: Electric Guitar, Acoustic Guitar, Bass Guitar... and such like that? Even after counting all the instruments within the keyboard family, Prince is only known to play 20 different instruments. Samplers & Drum Machines don't count. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Afronomical said:
Yeah, he's only a musical genius and one of the most prolific artists of our day. Been in the game since the late 70s, Grammy, AMA, Academy Award-winner, and a multi-instrumentalist to boot but nah, he don't deserve top 10.
If Stevie deserves top 10, so does P. Simple as that. [Edited 6/1/07 15:00pm] .....and don't forget James Brown, Barry White, Smokey Robinson, Marvin Gaye, & Aretha Frankin. That's a lot of soulful egos to make room for in the Top 10. Here was my top 10: Close to but in no particular order:
1 - JB 2 - Prince 3 - Stevie 4 - Michael Jackson 5 - Marvin Gaye 6 - Ray Charles 7 - Aretha 8 - The Four Tops 9 - Barry White 10 - Little Richard Make Afros not War | |
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TonyVanDam said: Afronomical said: So where'd they get (27) from? I remember reading that back in the day. Or did they mean instruments within the same category like: Electric Guitar, Acoustic Guitar, Bass Guitar... and such like that? Even after counting all the instruments within the keyboard family, Prince is only known to play 20 different instruments. Samplers & Drum Machines don't count. Yeah, I started a thread to try and get some clarification/verification: http://www.prince.org/msg/7/229592 Make Afros not War | |
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Afronomical said:[quote] TonyVanDam said: Here was my top 10: Close to but in no particular order:
1 - JB 2 - Prince 3 - Stevie 4 - Michael Jackson 5 - Marvin Gaye 6 - Ray Charles 7 - Aretha 8 - The Four Tops 9 - Barry White 10 - Little Richard I still think Prince is waaaaay too high up on your list. It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.
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Guess I should try to come up with my top 10 then...  It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.
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FuNkeNsteiN said: Afronomical said: I still think Prince is waaaaay too high up on your list. You know what my next question was gonna be huh? :
Guess I should try to come up with my top 10 then...
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theAudience said: I see the disagreements have already started.
This will always occur when selection parameters are not specifically defined. For instance, questions like... What defines R&B? The music that was current when Jerry Wexler (who's generally credited with coining the term) came up with the category? Is is just some catch-all term? Do acts primarily known as Funk acts qualify? Since LittleBLUECorvette set the table with stlyle and influence as the criteria, here are my picks (in no particular order). The Architects: Male/Female Vocalists... Louis Jordan (also an influence on R&R) Ruth Brown Ray Charles Lavern Baker Fats Domino Hank Ballard Sam Cooke Jackie Wilson Etta James Little Richard Male/Female Vocal Groups... The Clovers The Orioles The Blossoms The Platters The Drifters The Coasters The Flamingos The Shirelles The Dells The Sweet Inspirations Instrumentalists... T-Bone Walker Allen Toussaint =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Those that fine tuned, expanded and carried on the tradition: Male/Female Vocalists... James Brown Aretha Franklin Otis Redding Solomon Burke Wilson Pickett Mavis Staples Donny Hathaway Joe Tex Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye Smokey Robinson Curtis Mayfield Tina Turner Darlene Love Al Green Isaac Hayes Teddy Pendergrass Luther Vandross Gladys Knight Patti LaBelle Bobby Womack Millie Jackson Chaka Khan Jerry Butler Mary Wells Roberta Flack Rufus Thomas Dionne Warwick Bobby "Blue" Bland Lee Dorsey Carla Thomas Betty Wright William Bell Brook Benton Johnnie Taylor Mariah Carey (pre hippity-hop period) Prince Male/Female Vocal Duo or Group... The Impressions The Supremes The Temptations The Marvelettes The Four Tops The Miracles Martha & The Vandellas The Isley Brothers Ike & Tina Turner The Stylistics The Spinners The Delfonics The O'Jays The Ronettes Sam & Dave The Manhattans The Neville Brothers The Emotions The Chi-Lites The Jackson 5 The Five Stairsteps En Vogue Self-contained Bands... The Meters Jr.Walker & The All-Stars Kool & The Gang Sly & The Family Stone Earth, Wind & Fire Parliament/Funkadelic The Commodores The Ohio Players Maze Rufus Mint Condition Instrumentalists.. Booker T. & the MGs King Curtis =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Backing Bands... The Funk Brothers The Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section The Mar-Keys The Bar-Kays MFSB SalSoul Orchestra Say what you will but these musicians had a great influence on the style and sound of countless classic R&B hits. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= If you haven't guessed by now, i'm partial to the Classic R&B sound. That's my 100...
...and i'm sticking to it.
Btw, save your "you forgots" or "why didn't you include" for your own 100 list.  Great list. I'd personally replace Mariah Carey and Mint Condition with Barry White and the Gap Band. I'd also find a place for Cameo and Janet Jackson somewhere, but I can't fault your choices."Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: theAudience said: I see the disagreements have already started.
This will always occur when selection parameters are not specifically defined. For instance, questions like... What defines R&B? The music that was current when Jerry Wexler (who's generally credited with coining the term) came up with the category? Is is just some catch-all term? Do acts primarily known as Funk acts qualify? Since LittleBLUECorvette set the table with stlyle and influence as the criteria, here are my picks (in no particular order). The Architects: Male/Female Vocalists... Louis Jordan (also an influence on R&R) Ruth Brown Ray Charles Lavern Baker Fats Domino Hank Ballard Sam Cooke Jackie Wilson Etta James Little Richard Male/Female Vocal Groups... The Clovers The Orioles The Blossoms The Platters The Drifters The Coasters The Flamingos The Shirelles The Dells The Sweet Inspirations Instrumentalists... T-Bone Walker Allen Toussaint =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Those that fine tuned, expanded and carried on the tradition: Male/Female Vocalists... James Brown Aretha Franklin Otis Redding Solomon Burke Wilson Pickett Mavis Staples Donny Hathaway Joe Tex Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye Smokey Robinson Curtis Mayfield Tina Turner Darlene Love Al Green Isaac Hayes Teddy Pendergrass Luther Vandross Gladys Knight Patti LaBelle Bobby Womack Millie Jackson Chaka Khan Jerry Butler Mary Wells Roberta Flack Rufus Thomas Dionne Warwick Bobby "Blue" Bland Lee Dorsey Carla Thomas Betty Wright William Bell Brook Benton Johnnie Taylor Mariah Carey (pre hippity-hop period) Prince Male/Female Vocal Duo or Group... The Impressions The Supremes The Temptations The Marvelettes The Four Tops The Miracles Martha & The Vandellas The Isley Brothers Ike & Tina Turner The Stylistics The Spinners The Delfonics The O'Jays The Ronettes Sam & Dave The Manhattans The Neville Brothers The Emotions The Chi-Lites The Jackson 5 The Five Stairsteps En Vogue Self-contained Bands... The Meters Jr.Walker & The All-Stars Kool & The Gang Sly & The Family Stone Earth, Wind & Fire Parliament/Funkadelic The Commodores The Ohio Players Maze Rufus Mint Condition Instrumentalists.. Booker T. & the MGs King Curtis =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Backing Bands... The Funk Brothers The Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section The Mar-Keys The Bar-Kays MFSB SalSoul Orchestra Say what you will but these musicians had a great influence on the style and sound of countless classic R&B hits. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= If you haven't guessed by now, i'm partial to the Classic R&B sound. That's my 100...
...and i'm sticking to it.
Btw, save your "you forgots" or "why didn't you include" for your own 100 list. Great list. I'd personally replace Mariah Carey and Mint Condition with Barry White and the Gap Band. I'd also find a place for Cameo and Janet Jackson somewhere, but I can't fault your choices.
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theAudience said: I see the disagreements have already started.
This will always occur when selection parameters are not specifically defined. For instance, questions like... What defines R&B? The music that was current when Jerry Wexler (who's generally credited with coining the term) came up with the category? Is is just some catch-all term? Do acts primarily known as Funk acts qualify? Since LittleBLUECorvette set the table with stlyle and influence as the criteria, here are my picks (in no particular order). The Architects: Male/Female Vocalists... Louis Jordan (also an influence on R&R) Ruth Brown Ray Charles Lavern Baker Fats Domino Hank Ballard Sam Cooke Jackie Wilson Etta James Little Richard Male/Female Vocal Groups... The Clovers The Orioles The Blossoms The Platters The Drifters The Coasters The Flamingos The Shirelles The Dells The Sweet Inspirations Instrumentalists... T-Bone Walker Allen Toussaint =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Those that fine tuned, expanded and carried on the tradition: Male/Female Vocalists... James Brown Aretha Franklin Otis Redding Solomon Burke Wilson Pickett Mavis Staples Donny Hathaway Joe Tex Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye Smokey Robinson Curtis Mayfield Tina Turner Darlene Love Al Green Isaac Hayes Teddy Pendergrass Luther Vandross Gladys Knight Patti LaBelle Bobby Womack Millie Jackson Chaka Khan Jerry Butler Mary Wells Roberta Flack Rufus Thomas Dionne Warwick Bobby "Blue" Bland Lee Dorsey Carla Thomas Betty Wright William Bell Brook Benton Johnnie Taylor Mariah Carey (pre hippity-hop period) Prince Male/Female Vocal Duo or Group... The Impressions The Supremes The Temptations The Marvelettes The Four Tops The Miracles Martha & The Vandellas The Isley Brothers Ike & Tina Turner The Stylistics The Spinners The Delfonics The O'Jays The Ronettes Sam & Dave The Manhattans The Neville Brothers The Emotions The Chi-Lites The Jackson 5 The Five Stairsteps En Vogue Self-contained Bands... The Meters Jr.Walker & The All-Stars Kool & The Gang Sly & The Family Stone Earth, Wind & Fire Parliament/Funkadelic The Commodores The Ohio Players Maze Rufus Mint Condition Instrumentalists.. Booker T. & the MGs King Curtis =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Backing Bands... The Funk Brothers The Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section The Mar-Keys The Bar-Kays MFSB SalSoul Orchestra Say what you will but these musicians had a great influence on the style and sound of countless classic R&B hits. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= If you haven't guessed by now, i'm partial to the Classic R&B sound. That's my 100...
...and i'm sticking to it.
Btw, save your "you forgots" or "why didn't you include" for your own 100 list.
tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 Great list theAudience (not tryin to say you're wrong or nothing but) I didn't see: Michael Jackson, Little Anthony & the Imperials, Donny Hathaway, Barry White, Clyde McPhatter, Willie Hutch, Rick James ect. Also would you include the likes of Big Joe Turner, BB King, Gil Scott Heron Nina Simone, Chuck Berry. [Edited 6/3/07 17:07pm] PRINCE: Always and Forever
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LittleBLUECorvette said: Great list theAudience (not tryin to say you're wrong or nothing but) I didn't see:
Michael Jackson, Little Anthony & the Imperials, Donny Hathaway, Barry White, Clyde McPhatter, Willie Hutch, the Miracles, Rick James ect. He listed the Miracles. Nice mentions... can't believe I forgot about Rick James! "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: LittleBLUECorvette said: Great list theAudience (not tryin to say you're wrong or nothing but) I didn't see:
Michael Jackson, Little Anthony & the Imperials, Donny Hathaway, Barry White, Clyde McPhatter, Willie Hutch, the Miracles, Rick James ect. He listed the Miracles. Nice mentions... can't believe I forgot about Rick James! I don't really have a prob with his list, in fact I think it's very nice, except for (theodore... don't kill me for saying this) Mariah Carey. What's she doin' there?  It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.
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FuNkeNsteiN said: AlexdeParis said: He listed the Miracles. Nice mentions... can't believe I forgot about Rick James! I don't really have a prob with his list, in fact I think it's very nice, except for (theodore... don't kill me for saying this) Mariah Carey. What's she doin' there?
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LittleBLUECorvette said: Afronomical said: So where'd they get (27) from? I remember reading that back in the day. Or did they mean instruments within the same category like: Electric Guitar, Acoustic Guitar, Bass Guitar... and such like that? Yep No. They lied. There were pics of him with horns, etc in his press kit. It was a promotional ploy. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things but it was a lie that a lot of people did and still do believe. Promotion usually involves lies; some are bigger than others. At the time, they were pushing him as the "next Stevie Wonder" and Stevie was one of the most recognizable multi-instrumentalists at the time. [Edited 6/3/07 20:34pm] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: LittleBLUECorvette said: Yep No. They lied. There were pics of him with horns, etc in his press kit. It was a promotional ploy. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things but it was a lie that a lot of people did and still do believe. Promotion usually involves lies; some are bigger than others. At the time, they were pushing him as the "next Stevie Wonder" and Stevie was one of the most recognizable multi-instrumentalists at the time. [Edited 6/3/07 20:34pm] That "Next Stevie" thing actually makes sense then as to why they tried that. Make Afros not War | |
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Afronomical said: BlaqueKnight said: No. They lied. There were pics of him with horns, etc in his press kit. It was a promotional ploy. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things but it was a lie that a lot of people did and still do believe. Promotion usually involves lies; some are bigger than others. At the time, they were pushing him as the "next Stevie Wonder" and Stevie was one of the most recognizable multi-instrumentalists at the time. [Edited 6/3/07 20:34pm] That "Next Stevie" thing actually makes sense then as to why they tried that. He should have been promoted as the new "Sylvers" brother. 
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Afronomical said: SoulAlive said: this is a tough one,but I'm pretty sure that these artists would be in my Top 10:
Stevie Wonder Aretha Franklin Marvin Gaye Al Green James Brown Smokey Robinson and The Miracles The Temptations Barry White Sly Stone Chaka Khan How do you have a top 10 list without Prince but WITH Chaka Khan? Prince is rock and pop not randb | |
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mirrorbestfriend said: Afronomical said: How do you have a top 10 list without Prince but WITH Chaka Khan? Prince is rock and pop not randb  It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.
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