FuNkeNsteiN said:

maybe
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FuNkeNsteiN said:

Yeah, he's only a musical genius and one of the most prolific artists of our day. Been in the game since the late 70s, Grammy, AMA, Academy Award-winner, and a multi-instrumentalist to boot but nah, he don't deserve top 10.

If Stevie deserves top 10, so does P. Simple as that.
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Afronomical said:

No he doesn't.

krayzie said:

Ok so shoot us YOUR top 10. And you can't list Stevie 9 times and then JB.

Aw man, what happened to Sam Cooke in that top ten yall?

Afronomical said:

I cannot give you a top 10 list. (It's silly to create a top 10 list), but I can think of several rnb artists who have been extremly influential, groundbreaking as well as talented and successful. And all of them have strongly influenced Prince.

krayzie said:

So if it's silly to make a list then how can you criticize anyone's list? And you don't think Prince has influenced anyone?

here's my list in no particular order....

howard hewett
prince
mj
cheryl lynn
bobby brown
mary j. blige
patrice rushen
teena marie
rick james
alicia keys

Afronomical said:

That doesn't mean shit, the fact Prince can play many instruments is not important. There's tons of Session musician's who can do the same thing. It's whats created using those instruments that matters, and based on that I would consider Prince for my top ten.

If we are gonna do this right though and come up with a "definitive" org list we need to have a proper calculating system. We should have assigned each postion points.

1-29
2-25
3-15
4-10
5-6
6-5
7-4
8-3
9-2
10-1

lilgish said:

The right man for tabulations.. just like Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu, Ernst & Young, PricewaterhouseCoopers. "what it is lilgish".

StarMon said:

It's all good

this will be a long proccess. If everyone list 100 artist,and someone take the dutys to tabulate...
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lilgish said:

are you taking on this task as the accountant.

will there be an Org. NFL 2007-2008.

StarMon said:

no.


you have to defend your title.

lilgish said:

Then how come those studio session musicians are JUST studio session musicians and not famous musicians? - There's more to it than just that then, right?

No one said it was the ONLY reason he should be on the list, it's a culmination of those things with being a multi-instrumentalist being a part of his genius as well.

Afronomical said:

We all know fame doesn't equate talent, nor does the ability to play multiple instruments equate quality musical output.

Yea, there is more to it than that, but why mention his ability to to play multi-instruments and not his amazing stage presence and entertainment ability. If there was anything that separated him from a session musician or a popular multi-instrumentalist, wouldn't that be it? Yet, anytime Prince's greatness is mentioned here, his showmanship is never given the same stature as his musical acumen, and his showmanship is why most of us are here.

How many artists can do what Prince does/did on stage? How many of them can do an album like N.E.W.S?

lilgish said:

I mentioned his ability to play intruments because it IS an amazing thing to know how to do regardless of who you are. Playing over 25 instruments isn't "common" not even for session musicians.

And I didn't "leave out" his stage presence, I was just throwing out some things to krayzie to prove why P needs to be in the top 10. If asked for ALL the reasons why he should be top 10 then I would have gotten around to "performance" eventually.

BlaqueKnight said:

How many does he play?

guitar, bass, drums, percussions, keys and a little harmonica (but not like Stevie)
He plays well, though.
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BlaqueKnight said:

So where'd they get (27) from? I remember reading that back in the day. Or did they mean instruments within the same category like: Electric Guitar, Acoustic Guitar, Bass Guitar... and such like that?

Afronomical said:

Yep

Rinluv said:

No offense to and the Stylistc but there is probally at least 7 vocal groups that should probally be above them.

Mr. White should be in the top 20 but 10, I don't know.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

All the bolded names are out, anyone else from this list that should be excluded from the top 100.

Afronomical said:

Prince is strictly a product of what happened before him. And MANY Prince fans seem to forget that.


There were a lot of great rnb acts before Prince who paved the way for P and influenced him a LOT.

From this point of view how could I put Prince in a top 10 list knowing that he doesn't deserve it ?

krayzie said:

MOST artists are products of what happened before them, it's what you do AFTER that to which defines you as an artist and Prince has done a lot to influence generations of artists after him.

The thing is, you don't believe in lists but if you did complile a top 10 list, it would be virtually IMPOSSIBLE to list 10 artists that weren't influenced by ANY artist before them. Not one. You can't hold P to standards that no other artist can live up to as well, it just doesn't make sense.

Afronomical said:

Nope, you seem to not understand. Prince like many artists is STRICTLY A PRODUCT OF WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE HIM. He borrowed a lot from legends and artists of the past. But there are some artists who PAVED THE WAY FOR OTHER ARTISTS, WHO CREATEDD THINGS THAT DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE. And without those artists, Music would be different. If you know very well those artists that influenced Prince, you should understand what I mean.
Without Jimi Hendrix, music would have been completly different, I don't think we can say the same for P.
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krayzie said:

Ok, but who said the top 10 list just HAD to be about artists that created something that didn't exist before?

Well, we can end this by this one question:

Name an artist(s) DEVOID of influence from ANY artist(s)/genre(s) before him/her?

If you can TRULY answer that question then I will end this discussion with me.

And Hendrix was influenced by the Isley's.

Afronomical said:

Everybody is influenced by somebody, but what you seem to miss there is the fact that Prince in his career has done things that have already been done before, while guys like James Brown or Jimi did things that pretty much nobody had done before. And they established the norm. How to perform, dance or play instrument on stage .

krayzie said:

Exactly, so why single out P? Makes no sense. And who in R&B came out on stage in bikini drawers and high heel boots before P did ? Who had a #1 hit without using a bassline? How many artists have come out with their own "sound" (Minneapolis Sound)?

P makes the top 10 with ease, especially when you try and hold him to standards that other artists have to be held to. The man has accomplished a ton of things, created a bunch of music, and influenced a myriad of artists. To leave him off the top 10 is ridiculous and illinformed, and basically hating on his genius.